Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk IX

[Fenian24]

Coyle was 49th among centers in even strength points last year. Here's a list of centers he outscored...

Patrice Bergeron
Elias Lindholm
Nazem Kadri
Sam Bennett
Sam Reinhart
Max Domi
William Karlsson
JT Compher
Kevin Hayes
Kuznetsov
Anders Lee
Eriksson Ek
Phillip Danault

He doesn't put up big point totals because he doesn't get much PP time on a team with Pasta, Marchand, Bergeron, DeBrusk... but at even strength he was better than a lot of 2nd line centers, despite getting 3rd line minutes and starting 54% of his shifts in the Dzone.

Besides Hayes and Kuzentsov I take everyone of them over Coyle.

Sam Bennett is the antithesis of Coyle, physical, driven, a great two way player who had a great playoff and has found his game and improved as he has gotten older, someone who drives a line and isn't a passenger. Coyle has remained consistantly mediocre, a bottom 6 forward paid like a top 6

 

[dugg133]

Good comparable. I love Jeannot but would not trade Federic for him straight up. I can see Frederic getting 3m plus now

Noah Cates got 2.6mil and is probably a good comparable for Freddy as well, can't see him getting 3+mil after those two.

 

[PlayMakers]

Charlie Coyle's career playoff numbers are an abomination, and that's even when you include 2019, the only playoff run of his life when he was a + player.

In 2019 he was +8 and had 16 points in 24 games while being a total beast, but that is a huge outlier compared to literally every other post-season of his NHL career.

His career playoff numbers tell a far more complete story: 106 games, 47 points, -29.

His playoff numbers are on par with his regular season numbers... 106 games, 47 points translates to 19 goals and 36 points per 82 playoff games, in a defensive role, with 56.4% Dzone starts.

Are there a lot of 3rd line centers averaging more than 20 goals and 40 points in the playoffs? Hell, there are a lot of 2nd line centers who don't produce that much, Cirelli, Anders Lee, Kotkaniemi, Chandler Stephenson... to name a few.

I agree the -29 is a black mark. I'm not a fan of plus/minus for obvious reasons but if you are maybe the problem is how they use him. In 2019 ("his last good playoff") he had over 50% offensive zone starts. In every playoff since, he's getting 55, 60, 70% Dzone starts.

 

[EverettMike]

His playoff numbers are on par with his regular season numbers... 106 games, 47 points translates to 19 goals and 36 points per 82 playoff games, in a defensive role, with 56.4% Dzone starts.

Are there a lot of 3rd line centers averaging more than 20 goals and 40 points in the playoffs? Hell, there are a lot of 2nd line centers who don't produce that much, Cirelli, Anders Lee, Kotkaniemi, Chandler Stephenson... to name a few.

I agree the -29 is a black mark. I'm not a fan of plus/minus for obvious reasons but if you are maybe the problem is how they use him. In 2019 ("his last good playoff") he had over 50% offensive zone starts. In every playoff since, he's getting 55, 60, 70% Dzone starts.

Sounds like ultimately we agree: he's a third line center.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

His playoff numbers are on par with his regular season numbers... 106 games, 47 points translates to 19 goals and 36 points per 82 playoff games, in a defensive role, with 56.4% Dzone starts.

Are there a lot of 3rd line centers averaging more than 20 goals and 40 points in the playoffs? Hell, there are a lot of 2nd line centers who don't produce that much, Cirelli, Anders Lee, Kotkaniemi, Chandler Stephenson... to name a few.

I agree the -29 is a black mark. I'm not a fan of plus/minus for obvious reasons but if you are maybe the problem is how they use him. In 2019 ("his last good playoff") he had over 50% offensive zone starts. In every playoff since, he's getting 55, 60, 70% Dzone starts.

I guess then if it's not a matter of talent, it must be one of deployment.

Why is a guy making $5.25M/yr getting 70% defensive zone starts? You would have to think you could get someone at half (a third?) that and be just as effective(-29).

Like either he deserves to be relied upon higher in the lineup OR he's overpaid as defensive specialist.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

And in the playoffs Coyle scored at .29 points per game while Hall was at 1.14. We have to lose some salary somewhere, and with Bergeron, Zacha and Geekie, why not keep more talent on wing? You also have Frederic and Merkulov that have a shot at playing center at some point.

I don’t have a problem with Coyle’s regular season production. It’s his inability to raise his game in the postseason at his cap hit.

You're talking about 7 games. Kind of a small sample size.

And I believe Coyle has actually been to the finals and was tied for the most goals in playoffs on that Bruins team as well as the best plus/minus of all the forwards on that team. Over 24 games.

 

[PlayMakers]

Sounds like ultimately we agree: he's a third line center.

No, I think he's underrated and could be a 2nd line center on par with guys like Lee and Cirelli.

 

[PlayMakers]

I guess then if it's not a matter of talent, it must be one of deployment.

Why is a guy making $5.25M/yr getting 70% defensive zone starts? You would have to think you could get someone at half (a third?) that and be just as effective(-29).

Like either he deserves to be relied upon higher in the lineup OR he's overpaid as defensive specialist.

Yeah, I think if they changed how he was deployed it would help. I don't think that necessarily means he needs to be higher in the lineup. In 2019 he was the 3c but he got more Ozone starts than Dzone starts and was very productive and effective.

 

[Mainehockey33]

You're talking about 7 games. Kind of a small sample size.

And I believe Coyle has actually been to the finals and was tied for the most goals in playoffs on that Bruins team as well as the best plus/minus of all the forwards on that team. Over 24 games.

I’d rather look at the most recent sample size we have, that 2019 run was 4 years ago. Coyle will never do that again. That was the only postseason he had a positive +/-. We’ve seen Coyle get power play time, there’s a reason he doesn’t get a lot of it.

 

[Blowfish]

Nothing blew up in Sweeney’s face.
I’m not even a fan of his but you can’t blame him for giving us all the best RS team of all time, a team that blew it!

Injured team...

 

[GordonHowe]

Yeah, 70% Dzone starts in the playoffs and people are mad because he didn't score more?

If ever there was a case for an 'eye test' guy this is it.

100%

At best, on a solid team, almost everyone has a specific role to play.

Last season, given Montgomery's mandate, Charlie Coyle played his, "to a T."

I remember something Bob Sweeney said about the B's Cup contending clubs of '88/'90, and, again, it's something you can say about any solid team,

"The scoreres scored. The plumbers plumbed. The goaltenders kept the puck out of our net.

"Everyone did their part."

And that's what hockey is all about, Charlie Brown.

 

[quietbruinfan]

100%

At best, on a solid team, almost everyone has a specific role to play.

Last season, given Montgomery's mandate, Charlie Coyle played his, "to a T."

I remember something Bob Sweeney said about the B's Cup contending clubs of '88/'90, and, again, it's something you can say about any solid team,

"The scoreres scored. The plumbers plumbed. The goaltenders kept the puck out of our net.

"Everyone did their part."

And that's what hockey is all about, Charlie Brown.

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I remember the quote, and "plumbers don't plum...."

 

[GordonHowe]

Sounds like ultimately we agree: he's a third line center.

And the issue with that is...?

The contract.

Or, somehow, he's not f***ing Superman.

Lace 'em up, Stat Fan Boys.

Let's see what you got.

I thought so.

 

[quietbruinfan]

Actually I loathed Bob Sweeney. He was different in style than Coyle but a similar tweener. He was closer to a second line center, but terrible as a checking center.

 

[quietbruinfan]

-17 in the playoffs with lousy numbers is all I need to see. Btw that actually includes a plus 8 in his one hot year of 2019. Scary bad.

 

[EverettMike]

And the issue with that is...?

The contract.

Or, somehow, he's not f***ing Superman.

Lace 'em up, Stat Fan Boys.

Let's see what you got.

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I thought so.

.....Wut?

 

[The don godfather]

Hopefully lohrei lysell and poitras turn heads and push into a spot .

 

[FONZIE]

He also can play with talent jumping up games 3 and 4 in Florida to center Marshy & Jake


Hilarious take
Thank you for making me laugh

I was against it, but loved the Coyle/Marchy play in that game.

 

[hrdpuk]

Coyle is a durable player and hard to knock off the puck. Can move up the lineup if needed.
His contract will look better these next 3 years.
He isn't the B's problem.

 

[Absurdity]

Blue Jackets Sunday Gathering: Clean slates, new opportunities under Mike Babcock

With Babcock at the helm, there could be new opportunities for certain players in the lineup.

theathletic.com

...It’s never been more difficult to swing trades in the NHL, Jarmo Kekalainen said, a product of the flattened salary cap that leaves little room to get creative. That’s tough news for a GM who’d like to thin his group of forwards, if possible. “The whole league is pretty much capped out right now,” Kekalainen said. “You could probably move dollar for dollar, so … we’re not going to be getting our summer vacation started anytime soon. Things have quieted down a bit, but the phones are still working.”

Kekalainen left open the possibility that arbitration judgments could cause some tremors across the league that could propel roster movement. Last week, 22 players filed for arbitration. The hearings will be held between July 20-August 4. Most will settle before they ever reach the point of a hearing, however. “Some teams might get some (arbitration awards) they don’t like, and that might change the situation,” Kekalainen said. “There’s another buyout window that could change things. We’re going to keep an eye on all those things and keep working at it.”

 

[quietbruinfan]

Considering all the trouble he has had with Sweeney, it is ironic that Jarmo came up as a good third line prospect for the Bruins. Of course,a spear to the stomach on the Island just about ended his playing career. ...

 

[DominicT]

Noah Cates got 2.6mil and is probably a good comparable for Freddy as well, can't see him getting 3+mil after those two.

And to get $2.6 million in arbitration, he's probably asking for around the $3 million mark and the Bruins are offering around the $2 million mark. I'd rather not take a chance in front of the arbitrator.

I got no info whatsoever on this, but IMO this should have been one of the easier and quicker deals to get done. This isn't David Pastrnak that required months of negotiations.

Heck, it only took 24 hours to sign Hampus Lindholm to an 8-year $52 million contract after acquiring him. We're on day 77 on Trent Frederic.

 

[DominicT]

Just for fun

 

[DKH]

Coyle is a durable player and hard to knock off the puck. Can move up the lineup if needed.
His contract will look better these next 3 years.
He isn't the B's problem.

He’s exactly what they need out of a third line center and his contract is fair as comes for his versatility to move up and down lineup and both special teams

I’m GM and he’s a UFA he gets $5.5 M for 3 years in a second

 

[burstnbloom]

The coyle discourse...

47th highest cap hit for a center. Number 2 center money.

47th highest points for a center. Number 2 center points.

Every year the same discussion by the same people.

You can not want to pay this player this money, but his money is not out of line with his production. It's just an incorrect take. Adjust your argument for the love of god.