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Never reach especially when you have a high a first round pick. Learning lesson number 1 for any general manager in the national hockey league.
Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk IX
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Never reach especially when you have a high a first round pick. Learning lesson number 1 for any general manager in the national hockey league.
Kegs
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HAHAHA............. Yes lets just look at what supports your argument , everything else doesn't count.........
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Spent 10 minutes looking thru Metric and on Athletic reading takes on Charlie Coyle
My takeaway
He’s even better then I thought
Anti/ Coyle crowd ……
Athletic blurb
At five-on-five, Coyle has a 24.24 percent offensive-zone start rate. According to Natural Stat Trick, it is the lowest percentage for any forward in the league with 225 or more five-on-five minutes. Coyle's previous career low was 49.42 percent in 2016-17, with the Wild.Nov 23, 2022
Also top forward % on PK nearly 90 % at top 5 minutes per game
He’s in Eddie Westfall/Derek Sanderson rarified air
My takeaway
He’s even better then I thought
Anti/ Coyle crowd ……
Athletic blurb
At five-on-five, Coyle has a 24.24 percent offensive-zone start rate. According to Natural Stat Trick, it is the lowest percentage for any forward in the league with 225 or more five-on-five minutes. Coyle's previous career low was 49.42 percent in 2016-17, with the Wild.Nov 23, 2022
Also top forward % on PK nearly 90 % at top 5 minutes per game
He’s in Eddie Westfall/Derek Sanderson rarified air
2 mil cap hit? Really? I would love to hear what kind of logical argument you have for what Coyle brings being worth only 2 million...even a quick look at all the players at around his point total would show he's worth more than that. Hell, Frederic is probably about to get around 2 mil.
Dennis Bonvie
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Senators took sure things in Yashin and Daigle and Bonk.
First round reaches in Hossa and Havlat and Karlsson.
Draft's still pretty much a crapshoot, no real rules to go by.
Even recently Red Wings reached on Moritz Seider at pick 6 and look to absolutely have made the correct choice.
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Next step down would be playing with other former future 40 goal scorer Jared Knight in Denmark
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Remember that he was playing hurt and ended up getting surgery on his knee after the season. He rehabbed and looked much better last year.
Did the Bruins not try him at 2C just a couple short seasons ago? If I remember correctly he was bad enough that they had to eventually go with that stalwart 2C Eric Haula. Or were his analytics good enough for 2C back then but Bruce Cassidy just wasn't seeing it? Maybe Coyle is just better now?
Lmao 2 mill player. Let me know when you come back to our dimension
Coyle is pretty much the best 3rd line center you can have and his biggest asset imo is his durability. 144 gp in the last 2 seasons. (Regular season)
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I don't understand the anti-Coyle crowd. Dude is good and bruins lucky to have him. The contract complaint is a ridiculous viewpoint.
The stats prove it plus anyone who watches regularly can see easily see Coyle's value.
Today’s Globe:
“There were better fits out there for me,” he said, explaining why he was reluctant to remain in the Senators’ resurgence mix.
The Bruins run the risk of seeing both Jake DeBrusk and Matt Grzelcyk similarly walk as UFAs, but it’s a fair bet both would be only too delighted to sign extensions here. DeBrusk will carry a $4 million cap into the coming season, while Grzelcyk, still here despite rampant rumors he would be dealt last month, will carry a $3.68 million charge against the $83.5 million cap.
Meanwhile, the Bruins continue their talks with restricted free agents Jeremy Swayman and Trent Frederic, who represent Sweeney’s last significant bit of business in summer ‘23. Sweeney, after signing ex-Devil forward Jesper Boqvist to a one-year deal ($775k) on Wednesday, has some $5.43 million remaining in his wallet, an amount he hopes covers new pacts for Swayman and Frederic — both on target to have their deals settled via salary arbitration.
If those deals end up awarded by an arbitrator for a total cost in excess of $5.43 million, Sweeney would have to trim payroll to keep them here. The two chips easiest to move would be DeBrusk and Grzelcyk, in which case Sweeney then would have to add in a player (prospect or veteran) for a price likely around $800,000 for whatever roster void were created.
Another obvious choice to go would be third-paring blue liner Derek Forbort (cap hit: $3 million). But rest assured, of the 31 other teams potentially kicking tires, more would be interested in DeBrusk and/or Grzelcyk. They’re both younger and offer more game than Forbort, who has proven a strong value since arriving here as a UFA. His main impact has been his long stick on the No. 1 penalty killing defense pairing with Brandon Carlo.
DeBrincat, whom the Senators acquired last summer from Chicago, was a restricted free agent and promptly signed a four-year extension worth $31.5 million. The Winged Wheels are hoping he can return to the goal-scoring version of himself — he twice potted 41 in his five seasons with the Blackhawks. It’s an enticing thought, but the Wings don’t have a lineup dotted with the productive likes of Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane as the Blackhawks did when DeBrincat was mining gold.
If the Bruins are forced to deal to acquire cap room, it would be DeBrusk, fresh off his career-high 50 points last season, who would command the best return package. In the swap with the Wings, the Senators finagled a roster player (LW Dominik Kubalik), a prospect (D Donovan Sebrango) and a draft pick (Round 4, 2024). Hardly inspiring.
But keep in mind, as was evident in the deal that shipped Taylor Hall to the Blackhawks in the days leading to the draft, trades aimed at easing cap burdens almost by definition yield low returns. If Sweeney has to shop DeBrusk, he’ll be looking for prospects or players who carry Nordstrom Rack price tags. In the summer of ‘23, he can’t even think about window shopping at the Nordstrom mothership.
RUNNING THE RISK
Will Bruins lose DeBrusk and Grzelcyk next year?
Alex DeBrincat, on course to be an unrestricted free agent July 1, let the Senators know he wasn’t interested in a long-term (read: years) extension, thus forcing a deal that delivered him last weekend to Detroit. It was his preferred landing spot. He was born in nearby Farmington Hills.“There were better fits out there for me,” he said, explaining why he was reluctant to remain in the Senators’ resurgence mix.
The Bruins run the risk of seeing both Jake DeBrusk and Matt Grzelcyk similarly walk as UFAs, but it’s a fair bet both would be only too delighted to sign extensions here. DeBrusk will carry a $4 million cap into the coming season, while Grzelcyk, still here despite rampant rumors he would be dealt last month, will carry a $3.68 million charge against the $83.5 million cap.
Meanwhile, the Bruins continue their talks with restricted free agents Jeremy Swayman and Trent Frederic, who represent Sweeney’s last significant bit of business in summer ‘23. Sweeney, after signing ex-Devil forward Jesper Boqvist to a one-year deal ($775k) on Wednesday, has some $5.43 million remaining in his wallet, an amount he hopes covers new pacts for Swayman and Frederic — both on target to have their deals settled via salary arbitration.
If those deals end up awarded by an arbitrator for a total cost in excess of $5.43 million, Sweeney would have to trim payroll to keep them here. The two chips easiest to move would be DeBrusk and Grzelcyk, in which case Sweeney then would have to add in a player (prospect or veteran) for a price likely around $800,000 for whatever roster void were created.
Another obvious choice to go would be third-paring blue liner Derek Forbort (cap hit: $3 million). But rest assured, of the 31 other teams potentially kicking tires, more would be interested in DeBrusk and/or Grzelcyk. They’re both younger and offer more game than Forbort, who has proven a strong value since arriving here as a UFA. His main impact has been his long stick on the No. 1 penalty killing defense pairing with Brandon Carlo.
DeBrincat, whom the Senators acquired last summer from Chicago, was a restricted free agent and promptly signed a four-year extension worth $31.5 million. The Winged Wheels are hoping he can return to the goal-scoring version of himself — he twice potted 41 in his five seasons with the Blackhawks. It’s an enticing thought, but the Wings don’t have a lineup dotted with the productive likes of Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane as the Blackhawks did when DeBrincat was mining gold.
If the Bruins are forced to deal to acquire cap room, it would be DeBrusk, fresh off his career-high 50 points last season, who would command the best return package. In the swap with the Wings, the Senators finagled a roster player (LW Dominik Kubalik), a prospect (D Donovan Sebrango) and a draft pick (Round 4, 2024). Hardly inspiring.
But keep in mind, as was evident in the deal that shipped Taylor Hall to the Blackhawks in the days leading to the draft, trades aimed at easing cap burdens almost by definition yield low returns. If Sweeney has to shop DeBrusk, he’ll be looking for prospects or players who carry Nordstrom Rack price tags. In the summer of ‘23, he can’t even think about window shopping at the Nordstrom mothership.
Coyle is a good player and his contract is fair. However, I would say that having the best (and perhaps highest paid) 3rd line center in the league is a luxury rather than a necessity, especially when there may be a hole at C in the top six.
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He could easily play 2nd line center and looking like that will be the case with Bergeron most likely coming back to be first line center.
I see it more as a strategic key position that makes the team difficult to play against versus luxury. He plays big minutes and can easily play up down the line up.
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Um.. may be semantics, but that's the definition of blowing up in his face.
He, like almost any GM in his place would have done, went all in on that team.
Whether or not it was his fault it didn't work is irrelevant, he went in with the expectation of at least a little success.
Pretty close to the worst case scenario happened (in terms of a 1st place playoff team in the playoffs losing in round 1 after giving up a 3-1 series lead)
ex. I put all my money on the best rated horse in a horse race. That horse trips on the last leg of the race and loses. The act of me putting my money on this horse blew up in my face, regardless of how it happened.
This said, no I don't blame Sweeney for the outcome. But the investment was definitely a dud.
Everyone has opinions and thoughts , I have In my opinion some pretty good posts on this site and then some no so good ,and have been torn a part for some and sometimes rightfully so ................But I have to tell you FERN, that is one of ,I am trying to be nice , but one of the most ignorant , dumbest posts I have ever read.........now I will probably be put on the bad boy list for a month or so , but I will take the hit so no one else needs too.......
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Fair.
Semantically.
I took the post I replied to as implying that Sweeney messed up and shouldn’t have made the moves he did to bolster last years team.
Mainehockey33
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How is it a ridiculous viewpoint? His stats are bad in the last 4 playoff runs. Chris Kelly had 60% D zone starts in 2011 and was a +11. He’s not a playmaker that makes his wingers better so I don’t see how he’s going to all of a sudden start producing more in an offensive role. They’ve tried that. He’s a 3rd line defensive center that’s a career -29 in the playoffs, tell me how criticizing his contract is a ridiculous viewpoint. If Pastrnak doesn’t do his job and score goals he’d get ripped a new one. Why is Coyle above criticism?
All around Derek Sanderson was better , he was one of the most fundamentally sound hockey players that ever played in the NHL.......... He had speed , great face off man, , could check in all three zones , great play maker , and could put the puck in the net............just did not handle life as well ........Coyles numbers could be a little mor impressive if he shot a little more ,but ...........
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