Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Season Thread

[CobraAcesS]

Long story short. Stacked team with not Patrick Roy. Selanne was too injured (the lockout fixed that) and Kariya injured himself signing his contract.

Yep, makes so much sense. Got back from Afghanistan in August 03, and immediately started prepping to go to Iraq in January to mid April.

I was saved obviously lol.

 

[henchman21]

Yep, makes so much sense. Got back from Afghanistan in August 03, and immediately started prepping to go to Iraq in January to mid April.

I was saved obviously lol.

You were saved from a different sort of PTSD.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Boston legit had one of the worst failures we've seen in recent memory. To the point where I'm surprised it doesn't get talked about more and to me it's an even bigger story than Vegas winning it all. Historic regular season, Selke, Vezina, Jack Adams, top 5 Hart, top 5 Norris, traded futures at the TDL, last hurrah for one of the greatest players in franchise history, etc. All to blow a 3-1 lead in the first round to the 8th seed. That black mark is going to stay with you unless you can come back and win it all, which I highly doubt they'll be doing.

Obviously they had one of the best, if not the best RS‘s of all time. But I feel like that was a bit of an anomaly considering the team they had. Obviously they had a very talented roster and some high end pieces, but I feel like that roster wasn’t really as good as their RS was. Contender worth sure, but I don’t know if it’s better than the Avs or Lightning teams that won cups recently.

Obviously in the end a bit of a failure not getting past the first round, but they were setting themselves up for failure with their unsustainable regular season.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Obviously they had one of the best, if not the best RS‘s of all time. But I feel like that was a bit of an anomaly considering the team they had. Obviously they had a very talented roster and some high end pieces, but I feel like that roster wasn’t really as good as their RS was. Contender worth sure, but I don’t know if it’s better than the Avs or Lightning teams that won cups recently.

Obviously in the end a bit of a failure not getting past the first round, but they were setting themselves up for failure with their unsustainable regular season.

The thing is, I don't even think Vegas was that good. The chokers choked, and then Vegas just walked over the bones of the West right up to the podium.

On paper at least, they looked way stronger.

 

[dahrougem2]

Boston legit had one of the worst failures we've seen in recent memory. To the point where I'm surprised it doesn't get talked about more and to me it's an even bigger story than Vegas winning it all. Historic regular season, Selke, Vezina, Jack Adams, top 5 Hart, top 5 Norris, traded futures at the TDL, last hurrah for one of the greatest players in franchise history, etc. All to blow a 3-1 lead in the first round to the 8th seed. That black mark is going to stay with you unless you can come back and win it all, which I highly doubt they'll be doing.

Media would have rather brought up the Avs losing to Seattle over that.

F*** em all.

 

[Ceremony]

Was that the Kariya Selanee year? That would explain why I have very little memory of it.

Yeah, maybe it's just how damn dominant SJ was though. It was legit fun hockey to watch too, and then poof they go in the playoffs every year. You could definitely add Winnipeg in there though, and that shit might eventually break that franchise. If Winnipeg had won, they'd likely have the support for a rebuild.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Oh God, there is an hour feature on it? Not watching that lol.

Nope

 

[Ceremony]

Oh God, there is an hour feature on it? Not watching that lol.

Nope

Hour and a half.

It's good. And a bit sad, because the idea of something like that being made (about us or any other team) now is just unthinkable.

 

[henchman21]

I'd rather share needles on skid row than watch that.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Hour and a half.

It's good. And a bit sad, because the idea of something like that being made (about us or any other team) now is just unthinkable.

Yeah, they don't even put that much work into the Stanley Cup videos. Although some add scientists probably told ESPN everyone has ADD now so keep it short, and keep your money.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I'd rather share needles on skid row than watch that.

I'm at least that smart. I remember my HS buddy giving me the run down.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

That 03/04 season was troubling. But there were a few games, early on in the regular season, where they looked like you would think a roster with that lineup should look. When your top six is Forsberg, Sakic, Kariya, Selanne, Hejduk and Tanguay...that's dominate. As long as Alex can stay onside.

I actually wish I could find a game from that season to watch online. Anyone know of any? Or maybe a good highlight reel from the year?

 

[henchman21]

That 03/04 season was troubling. But there were a few games, early on in the regular season, where they looked like you would think a roster with that lineup should look. When your top six is Forsberg, Sakic, Kariya, Selanne, Hejduk and Tanguay...that's dominate. As long as Alex can stay onside.

I actually wish I could find a game from that season to watch online. Anyone know of any? Or maybe a good highlight reel from the year?

 

[CobraAcesS]

I do remember being pissed Roy retired, and thinking he could have played two more years feeling kinda betrayed about it.

Guess that fker knows when to jump ship.

 

[henchman21]

I do remember being pissed Roy retired, and thinking he could have played two more years feeling kinda betrayed about it.

Guess that fker knows when to jump ship.

He certainly knows when a good trainwreck is gonna happen.

 

[Avs_19]

This may sound a bit weird... but I think you highlighted why it was more of a success than a failure. Yeah they didn't win a Cup, but that was very unlikely from the start (there's a load management lesson in there)... but they had one hell of a season from a lot of different players and I don't think you can argue that they didn't do everything they could to send Bergeron and Krejci out on top. It didn't work, but damn if they didn't have a great season and they put their best foot forward.

The biggest one season failure in recent history to me is 18-19 Tampa. Great team, was playing very well, thought they had it wrapped up to only lose their mind and get swept. It just gets forgotten about because they came back to win back to back Cups.

Biggest one season failure in my mind ever though is 03-04 Avs. Nothing will ever hurt as much as that.

I don't think anyone really trusted their goaltending but they had three elite forwards, an elite top pair (people might disagree but I love Lindholm), solid center depth, and solid overall forward depth. They might have overachieved in the reg season but then they also went and added the grease ball from the Wings and Orlov at the TDL. You add the blown 3-1 lead on top of that and I can't look at it as anything but a failure.

Also, **** Granato.

 

[forsbergavs32]

I mean I’d take having to sit through the 03-04 over sitting through watching 16-17.

I know the result of 16-17 ended up being Makar, but damn was that tough to watch

 

[sethro109]

I mean I’d take having to sit through the 03-04 over sitting through watching 16-17.

I know the result of 16-17 ended up being Makar, but damn was that tough to watch

16-17 was incredibly frustrating. We had a TON of close games that we always seem to f*** up in the 3rd. I hate that year with every fiber of my being.

 

[NorthernAvsFan]

Not goona lie, I wanted Tatar.

Hope they have something else planned.

 

[henchman21]

I mean I’d take having to sit through the 03-04 over sitting through watching 16-17.

I know the result of 16-17 ended up being Makar, but damn was that tough to watch

To me it is worse to have high expectations and have them ripped from you. It’s like getting to 2nd base with Margot Robbie and then just having her walk out and ghost you.

 

[AvalancheSpeedsters]

To me it is worse to have high expectations and have them ripped from you. It’s like getting to 2nd base with Margot Robbie and then just having her walk out and ghost you.

Second base is still better than the dugout

 

[shadow1]

Even in spite of the injuries, Colorado was in 1st place (32-12-10-4) in the entire NHL on February 17th, 2004.

Lacroix made (7) trades after that date and the team stunk down the stretch (8-10-3-3). Those two facts are not necessarily related, but worth noting.

Out	In
Krestanovich	Bala Barnaby Gratton Hendrickson
Bahen Ballard Gilbert Liffiton Morris Skoula	Boughner Sauer Vaananen
	Salo
2004 2nd 2004 3rd 2005 4th 2005 5th	2004 3rd 2005 2nd 2005 4th 2005 6th 2004 8th

 

[Toothless Legend]

Even in spite of the injuries, Colorado was in 1st place (32-12-10-4) in the entire NHL on February 17th, 2004.

The Steve Moore incident (which happened on February 16) hanging over the team in the final few months didn't help. Plenty of issues with the team otherwise, but that really seemed to shellshock the players.

 

[ABasin]

My concern with Boston last year was their age and the wear and tear that comes along with it. I frankly think that is what did them in. I was cautious all year on the with their age, but they had a last dance sort of vibe.

This all stems down to how hard it is to actually win a Cup with old teams. Vegas was the oldest team to win the Cup in like 7 years... and they were mid 28s. That is with some ringer age guys too like Quick and Kessell who really didn't do anything for them down the stretch.

I was worried about both Boston's and Vegas' goaltending in the playoffs. One took a dump, one didn't.

On the team age thing, how is that calculated? Do they simply use the full 23 player roster?

If so, I wonder if a better way to do it, would be to calculate the "important" players. Top6/Top4/StartingG. Or maybe Top9/Top4/StartingG. Leave out the deeper depth and the scrubs.

 

[EdAVSfan]

I was worried about both Boston's and Vegas' goaltending in the playoffs. One took a dump, one didn't.

On the team age thing, how is that calculated? Do they simply use the full 23 player roster?

If so, I wonder if a better way to do it, would be to calculate the "important" players. Top6/Top4/StartingG. Or maybe Top9/Top4/StartingG. Leave out the deeper depth and the scrubs.

Agreed. I think the best way to measure age would be weighted by ice time.

If forward A plays 3 times as much as Forward B, his age should be worth 3 times the amount.
At least the age would be relative to the importance of the player on that team.