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He’s at the club every day and bet on them to lose. He’s lucky not to be banned for life.
2022-2023 Premier League (part one)
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Didn't Toney bet on matches he was involved in though? I would think that should be a very clear and obvious conflict of interest.
Since I'm on him, I find it rather amazing that even some of the tougher critics like Simon Jordan seem to be taking it rather easy on Toney. I would think that it's really obvious you're breaching rules.
gary69
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Boehly probably would have got most of the transfer fees back by betting against Chelsea too.
That's the bigger problem, dude is straight up saying his team sucks without him.
From what I've read and heard he didn't bet on any games he played in. Either way it really shouldn't matter, unless you are purposely throwing games.
I think Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame, he did bet on his team when he played but he was betting they'd win. I like someone literally betting on themselves.
bleedblue1223
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He bet on them to lose when he wasn't playing, not when he was in the lineup. He also had bets for them winning and himself scoring.
Jussi
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Imagine how many more he'd create if he didn't waste all that energy whining.
Joking aside, impressive.
Joking aside, impressive.
Gotta love Toney having supreme confidence in himself and voting his club to lose when he didn't play.
Must have made him Mr Popularity in that locker room.
KJS14
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Definitely not a harsh enough punishment in my opinion. Calvin Ridley got a 1 year suspension for betting on NFL while he was not playing and other NFL players got 1 year suspensions for betting on other sports just because they placed the bets from team facilities. While I think the NFL punishments are too harsh, they weren't betting on their own team like Toney.
But it's also very hypocritical of these leagues to have sports betting advertisers and rake in the cash and then crack down on the players. I know the PL is starting to phase out gambling advertisers, so that's a positive, but American sports are a joke with this.
But it's also very hypocritical of these leagues to have sports betting advertisers and rake in the cash and then crack down on the players. I know the PL is starting to phase out gambling advertisers, so that's a positive, but American sports are a joke with this.
The Europeans just got a head start. American sports betting is still embryonic in terms of its relationship at the sporting level.
hatterson
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From a conflict of interest standpoint, betting on a different sport should be fine.
Betting on your own sport is a little iffy due to potential insider information.
Betting on yourself or your own team is obviously out since it can influence how you play. If you’re betting for yourself to score one week do you take a shot instead of a pass because you’ve got 10k riding on it but the next week you don’t since you chose not to bet that week? If you bet on your team one week but not the next, do you try a bit harder in the game you bet on?
However it’s generally easier for leagues to say “no betting period” or at least “no betting on your own sport, and no betting ‘on the job’” than to try to parse where it might be ok.
This practice needs to be banned across the board. Read through for a bit more context on how City stockpiles talent worldwide to contravene rules ostensibly meant to forbid it.
KJS14
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I think this is reasonable as a risk management approach, but in the NFL players case I mentioned before I thought it was ridiculous the league handed out 6 month to 1 year suspensions for players betting on other sports because they placed the bets on their phones in team facilities. Even if that's the league policy, to hand out such lengthy suspensions for trivial "misconduct" when the league has multiple sportsbook partnerships.
Agreed. I just find it ironic that american sports leagues and broadcasts will have multiple sportsbook partnerships, dozens of ads during games, and show live betting lines in the bottom-of-screen ticker while leagues are cracking down on the players. I don't have a great understanding for sports betting in Europe and how regulations have changed over the years, but I don't see the advertising slowing down here in the US anytime soon.
hatterson
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It wouldn’t surprise me if, I’m 20 years or so, we look back at betting ads the same way we look back at cigarette ads from decades ago. With a collective “wtf were they thinking letting something so destructive just go out there and brainwash everyone with abusive and manipulative tactics”
TheMoreYouKnow
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It's kinda odd given that sports betting was illegal almost everywhere in the country, and there was no marketing for it, no commercials, no sponsorships etc. like what not even 5 years ago? It then was legalized after lengthy debates and so forth...surely at the time the opponents of it being legalized brought up all these arguments why it'd be a bad idea, and they were dismissed to the applause of many.
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Can’t speak to elsewhere, but in Ontario there was no “lengthy debate”, the provincial government just did it one day out of nowhere.
hatterson
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I don’t think the issue is it being legal, the issue is the absolute lack of regulations around advertising and the complete lack of oversight into the manipulative and addiction forming behaviors that the betting sites are pushing.
Gambling has addictiveness on par or worse than some of the most intense hard drugs and yet governments seem totally fine with sites saying “your first 5 bets are free” or “automatically win your first bet” which are blatantly meant to get people started down the addiction road.
Draft Kings et al existing is fine. Draft Kings et al having free reign to throw money at the NHL/NFL/NBA to take over segments of the broadcasts and push those campaigns simply because they throw in a 2 line “gambling can be addictive, seek help if you need it” thing at the bottom of their website is the big issue.
Gambling has addictiveness on par or worse than some of the most intense hard drugs and yet governments seem totally fine with sites saying “your first 5 bets are free” or “automatically win your first bet” which are blatantly meant to get people started down the addiction road.
Draft Kings et al existing is fine. Draft Kings et al having free reign to throw money at the NHL/NFL/NBA to take over segments of the broadcasts and push those campaigns simply because they throw in a 2 line “gambling can be addictive, seek help if you need it” thing at the bottom of their website is the big issue.
Jussi
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The European sports betting companies who advertise during Premier League games added "Gamble responsibly" line to the end of each ad I think several years ago. Though I must admit I haven't paid attention to them lately, I'm not quite sure if for example Sky Sports airs them anymore.
Finnish hockey federation and I think the league as well prohibits players and team staff from betting on any events concerning their own league level. The same applied to referees. Punishment is a minimum one season suspension.
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Just don’t bet on your own team
Hell just don’t bet on your own league
You can bet on just about anything else so I don’t have a ton of sympathy here. You don’t bet on your own team because you have a gambling addiction. You bet on if the panda bear at the zoo is going to have a baby boy or a baby girl because you have a gambling addiction . You bet on your own team because you think you are untouchable and won’t get caught
Hell just don’t bet on your own league
You can bet on just about anything else so I don’t have a ton of sympathy here. You don’t bet on your own team because you have a gambling addiction. You bet on if the panda bear at the zoo is going to have a baby boy or a baby girl because you have a gambling addiction . You bet on your own team because you think you are untouchable and won’t get caught
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It's an interesting subject. The 2 Robbies podcast last week talked about the Toney ban & I think Mustoe was mentioning what they would do back when he played at Boro
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I would just like to quibble that having a gambling addiction does not = throwing your money away betting on anything. If you have a gambling addiction you more than likely think you are gaming the system, that you have a system or an approach or insight that gives you an advantage and will pay off eventually, despite temporary evidence to the contrary.
(... Although sure, there are those for whom it devolves into just emptying money into the abyss.)
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