2020 Off Season Discussion Part V

[SR]

I don’t see any more moves with the start of the season on Thursday and the mandatory quarantine, but I wonder what it’s take to get Yandle back in Arizona.

Would Goligoski, Fischer and a pick do it?

 

[Jamieh]

I don’t see any more moves with the start of the season on Thursday and the mandatory quarantine, but I wonder what it’s take to get Yandle back in Arizona.

Would Goligoski, Fischer and a pick do it?

I think I read somewhere earlier that Yandle seems to be in the not playing group at Panther's practice. Could probably get him for nothing if interested.

Here it is:

 

[SR]

I think I read somewhere earlier that Yandle seems to be in the not playing group at Panther's practice. Could probably get him for nothing if interested.

Here it is:

Damn. If there ever is a time, it’s probably now

 

[Jamieh]

Damn. If there ever is a time, it’s probably now

Can he play? Or does he just need the right situation? Tocc should be able to put him in right place!!!!! I kid I kid

 

[violaswallet]

I think I read somewhere earlier that Yandle seems to be in the not playing group at Panther's practice. Could probably get him for nothing if interested.

Here it is:

It’s unclear if we don’t intend to play him or if we want to scout out unknown quantities: we know what Yandle is!

Frankly I think we wouldn’t want much: he’s good at what he is but his contract isn’t great. Something like a 1-1 for Hammer could work if you want to even out cap or even a draft pick (3rd) could work!

 

[Mosby]

Yandle has 3 years left. I’d make Florida take back Kessel at a minimum.

 

[Jakey53]

I don’t see any more moves with the start of the season on Thursday and the mandatory quarantine, but I wonder what it’s take to get Yandle back in Arizona.

Would Goligoski, Fischer and a pick do it?

Stop living in the past. Yandle is not the player we are looking for. BA has us in a rebuild, not a reload, and I don't think we will have any interest because of his contract and age.

 

[Jakey53]

Yandle has 3 years left. I’d make Florida take back Kessel at a minimum.

That may be the only way it would work, but I'm not sure if I do that deal. I like Yandle better than Kessel, but I like Kessel's contract better. I loved Yandle when he was here, but we have to move forward with younger players if we want to be successful in the long term. This team will be much younger next year, and look totally different than the one we see today.

 

[rt]

I would bet money that the Coyotes would have offered that, Matthews would have been so big for the market both on the ice and off. I don't think the Coyotes could have made an offer that would have been accepted, short of leveraging all of the future. The Leafs needed a number 1 center and the fanbase was getting rewarded for a horrible season with hope. They weren't giving that up for a maybe.

You’ve got 2021 glasses on.

 

[rt]

I don’t see any more moves with the start of the season on Thursday and the mandatory quarantine, but I wonder what it’s take to get Yandle back in Arizona.

Would Goligoski, Fischer and a pick do it?

I assume they’d do it for Goligoski alone, simply because his cap is lower and his deal is expiring. Yandle is more of a PP specialist these days. Which is fine by me. I’d probably trade Goligoski for him. I remember what our PP looked like with Yandle and OEL on the point. I want that again. Yandle was #1 in the NHL in PPP by D in 2014 with OEL being #9 (#3 in PP goals by D). The Coyotes PP% was #4 in the league.

Could Yandle make OEL see color again? Make him look at least a little interested? Maybe have a little fun out there? Move the puck around and score a few goals? Wake the f*** up?

I’d say it’s worth a try if it only costs Goligoski.

 

[Jamieh]

You’ve got 2021 glasses on.

I don't think so:

“We tried every different angle, remotely, we could,” he said of making a trade. “That’s right to the weekend before the draft — both John Chayka and I took Auston for lunch and got to know him a little better, but there was really nothing.
“Toronto had the plan in place and they were going to stick with their plan and take the No. 1 pick. If I was sitting on Toronto’s side I wouldn’t blame them. He’s going to be a fantastic player. Toronto just never, ever entertained the fact of moving him at all, and you have to respect that. As much as we would have liked to have him in Arizona, being an Arizona kid and a great player, it just was not something that Toronto would ever consider doing and a lot of the rumors get started out there, but there was never any traction to it, Toronto was very firm at the start and never changed their course.”

 

[rt]

I don't think so:

“We tried every different angle, remotely, we could,” he said of making a trade. “That’s right to the weekend before the draft — both John Chayka and I took Auston for lunch and got to know him a little better, but there was really nothing.
“Toronto had the plan in place and they were going to stick with their plan and take the No. 1 pick. If I was sitting on Toronto’s side I wouldn’t blame them. He’s going to be a fantastic player. Toronto just never, ever entertained the fact of moving him at all, and you have to respect that. As much as we would have liked to have him in Arizona, being an Arizona kid and a great player, it just was not something that Toronto would ever consider doing and a lot of the rumors get started out there, but there was never any traction to it, Toronto was very firm at the start and never changed their course.”

That summer OEL placed 9th in Norris voting. He placed a couple of years earlier. He was 25 years old. He was 10 ten among NHL D over the previous three seasons in total points and ice-time per game. Morgan Rielly was not what he is today. He was still averaging 30pts per season, was already being doubted in Toronto, and that team was just about as desperate for a #1D as any team in the league. In short, OEL was then a slightly better and more highly regarded version of what Morgan Rielly is now, while Rielly was closer then to what Chychrun is now, more or less.

Scott Wheeler's post-draft prospect ranking in 2016 had Matthews as the league's best prospect. He had Strome 5th and Keller 12th.

Strome was seen universally as a future franchise center.

The package in 2020 draft terms would have been something like Morgan Rielly/Seth Jones (OEL), Kirby Dach/Dylan Cozens (Strome), and Jack Quinn/Alexander Holtz (Keller) for Alex Lafreniere (but a more highly regarded, center version - NOT the Matthews we think of today, but an 18 year old that we still aren't 100% on).

There's zero change Arizona would have offered OEL, Strome, and 7th overall for 1st overall. If they had, Toronto would have accepted in a second. And the entire hockey universe would have laughed and laughed at Arizona for being so completely stupid. The only reason it looks bad or unrealistic to you know is because OEL and Strome's respective values have fallen off of a giant cliff. At the time, Strome had more hype than Cozens or Zegras do today. Much more like Kirby Dach, as an example. OEL was thought of then like Seth Jones is today. People just aren't remembering or are too biased by recent events.

 

[Jamieh]

That summer OEL placed 9th in Norris voting. He placed a couple of years earlier. He was 25 years old. He was 10 ten among NHL D over the previous three seasons in total points and ice-time per game. Morgan Rielly was not what he is today. He was still averaging 30pts per season, was already being doubted in Toronto, and that team was just about as desperate for a #1D as any team in the league. In short, OEL was then a slightly better and more highly regarded version of what Morgan Rielly is now, while Rielly was closer then to what Chychrun is now, more or less.

Scott Wheeler's post-draft prospect ranking in 2016 had Matthews as the league's best prospect. He had Strome 5th and Keller 12th.

Strome was seen universally as a future franchise center.

The package in 2020 draft terms would have been something like Morgan Rielly/Seth Jones (OEL), Kirby Dach/Dylan Cozens (Strome), and Jack Quinn/Alexander Holtz (Keller) for Alex Lafreniere (but a more highly regarded, center version - NOT the Matthews we think of today, but an 18 year old that we still aren't 100% on).

There's zero change Arizona would have offered OEL, Strome, and 7th overall for 1st overall. If they had, Toronto would have accepted in a second. And the entire hockey universe would have laughed and laughed at Arizona for being so completely stupid. The only reason it looks bad or unrealistic to you know is because OEL and Strome's respective values have fallen off of a giant cliff. At the time, Strome had more hype than Cozens or Zegras do today. Much more like Kirby Dach, as an example. OEL was thought of then like Seth Jones is today. People just aren't remembering or are too biased by recent events.

I can see most of your point but Strome was not as highly thought of a year after his draft. And Toronto was never trading Matthews, every piece written on the subject at the time confirmed it. They wanted a center and were making that pick unless a number 1 was was offered, AZ could not offer that.

 

[rt]

I can see most of your point but Strome was not as highly thought of a year after his draft.

He was absolutely. One year later he was fresh off of two points per game in the regular season and playoffs in the OHL and leading Team Canada in scoring at the WJC. His value was sky-high. People were talking about how it was only because of generational talents like McDavid and Eichel going ahead of him in the draft that we wasn't thought of as a First Overall pick caliber prospect. A big, rangy center like him, with all the offensive tools, and eye-popping production. Didn't miss a beat in Erie after McDavid left and it became his team. 2016 Dylan Strome was more highly thought of than 2021 Alex Lafreniere.

 

[hbk]

That summer OEL placed 9th in Norris voting. He placed a couple of years earlier. He was 25 years old. He was 10 ten among NHL D over the previous three seasons in total points and ice-time per game. Morgan Rielly was not what he is today. He was still averaging 30pts per season, was already being doubted in Toronto, and that team was just about as desperate for a #1D as any team in the league. In short, OEL was then a slightly better and more highly regarded version of what Morgan Rielly is now, while Rielly was closer then to what Chychrun is now, more or less.

Scott Wheeler's post-draft prospect ranking in 2016 had Matthews as the league's best prospect. He had Strome 5th and Keller 12th.

Strome was seen universally as a future franchise center.

The package in 2020 draft terms would have been something like Morgan Rielly/Seth Jones (OEL), Kirby Dach/Dylan Cozens (Strome), and Jack Quinn/Alexander Holtz (Keller) for Alex Lafreniere (but a more highly regarded, center version - NOT the Matthews we think of today, but an 18 year old that we still aren't 100% on).

There's zero change Arizona would have offered OEL, Strome, and 7th overall for 1st overall. If they had, Toronto would have accepted in a second. And the entire hockey universe would have laughed and laughed at Arizona for being so completely stupid. The only reason it looks bad or unrealistic to you know is because OEL and Strome's respective values have fallen off of a giant cliff. At the time, Strome had more hype than Cozens or Zegras do today. Much more like Kirby Dach, as an example. OEL was thought of then like Seth Jones is today. People just aren't remembering or are too biased by recent events.

Toronto would have answered the call and said that under no circumstances would they be willing to trade Matthews. None. Zero. Zilch. Should they have based on value? Doesn’t matter. Conversation would never get that far.

 

[rt]

Toronto would have answered the call and said that under no circumstances would they be willing to trade Matthews. None. Zero. Zilch. Should they have based on value? Doesn’t matter. Conversation would never get that far.

They would have screamed yes an then drove home to get a change of underwear.

 

[RABBIT]

Some interesting players on waivers today:

Perrault - WPG
Kylington - CGY
Morin - PHI
Johnson - TB
Perry, Frolik - MTL
Khaira - EDM
Baerstchi, Eriksson - VAN
Gardiner- CAR

For us:
Gauthier
Ness
Mayo
Pederson
Speers
Hunt
Fasching
Bunting
Chaput

 

[AZviaNJ]

Some interesting players on waivers today:

Perrault - WPG
Kylington - CGY
Morin - PHI
Johnson - TB
Perry, Frolik - MTL
Khaira - EDM
Baerstchi, Eriksson - VAN

Kylington is interesting. Still young, with up-side and at a low cost.

 

[RABBIT]

Kylington is interesting. Still young, with up-side and at a low cost.

He’s one I’m interested in, but don’t know if there is a fit. He’s a left hand shot, and I imagine a lot of other teams are going to be interested in him.

 

[Grimes]

Perry as in Corey Perry?

 

[Grimes]

I liked all the guys we signed for the bottom six but would love to be able to snatch some of these waiver guys instead of Hayden or Hunt. Lots of interesting names that can probably play a decent role on the bottom six.

 

[TheLegend]

 

[hbk]

They would have screamed yes an then drove home to get a change of underwear.

Ask Brian Burke or Craig Button for their thoughts. I’m confident in my take. Just as you are with yours.

 

[SniperHF]

Teams that tank don't trade their prize before he plays a game. Coyotes offer would have been more than fair but just not accepted. Nobody is trading a punchers chance of a near generational franchise C.

 

[SpaceCoyote]

Kylington is interesting. Still young, with up-side and at a low cost.

Was hoping we could get him in 2015 at Capo's spot, would much rather take a chance with him than a 34 year old Keith Yandle. Would fit in with our Swedish D core of OEL, Hammer, and Soderstorm.