2020 Off-Season Discussion Part III

[XX]

I agree. Guaranteed 3.5m is a lot for him. He’s probably really excited. I’d have thought 2.5 maybe. 1m over two years doesn’t matter much. I’m just a tad surprised. But I don’t care. Haha. I admired his play in Dallas. Very annoying player.

Pitlick for Vinny is a pretty even swap, but a solid win money wise.

 

[rt]

Pitlick for Vinny is a pretty even swap, but a solid win money wise.

I like him a heck of a lot better than Vinny. If their counting stats and underlying numbers are similar that’s fine and dandy. The difference is Vinny is small, weak, and easy to beat. He’s got a great motor and I like him. Pitlick has the same motor, but is bigger, stronger and much, much harder to handle.

 

[XX]

I like him a heck of a lot better than Vinny. If their counting stats and underlying numbers are similar that’s fine and dandy. The difference is Vinny is small, weak, and easy to beat. He’s got a great motor and I like him. Pitlick has the same motor, but is bigger, stronger and much, much harder to handle.

I like 'dumb' meat clacking players like Miles Wood and Clifford as much as the next guy, but they have to fit their intended role and be able to play within a system. The weak, soft ass forwards above them means the bottom six has to play tight, often from their own zone against guys they'd rather not see.

That's why I love the Pitlick signing and dread the Hayden one.

 

[rt]

I like 'dumb' meat clacking players like Miles Wood and Clifford as much as the next guy, but they have to fit their intended role and be able to play within a system. The weak, soft ass forwards above them means the bottom six has to play tight, often from their own zone against guys they'd rather not see.

That's why I love the Pitlick signing and dread the Hayden one.

Hayden was a very smart amateur and minor pro player who was seen as a future two way threat. There may be some untapped ability there in his own zone. He wasn’t given or hasn’t earned chances yet to prove himself in these areas. He still might. He could be a Chipchura type maybe.

 

[XX]

Hayden was a very smart amateur and minor pro player who was seen as a future two way threat. There may be some untapped ability there in his own zone. He wasn’t given or hasn’t earned chances yet to prove himself in these areas. He still might. He could be a Chipchura type maybe.

No coach has seen that in him yet and Ruff passed. Tocchet isn't going to be the one to find it either.

Just sign him to a two way and I'll shut up about it. Easy.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

I really don't know anything about Hayden other than looking at his stats. Our theme for this offseason seems to be getting more physical. He did have 87 hits in just 43 games last season. He looks like a 13, or 14 forward with his low number of GP. I don't hate the signing. Maybe he's also a good culture fit as well? For us to be in on him so early there had to be something that made BA very interested.

And XX when you look at his fancy stats, could you look at his numbers with CHI? I'm assuming they would be closer to what we'd expect here than what his numbers in NJ were.

 

[_Del_]

Hayden was a very smart amateur and minor pro player who was seen as a future two way threat. There may be some untapped ability there in his own zone. He wasn’t given or hasn’t earned chances yet to prove himself in these areas. He still might. He could be a Chipchura type maybe.

Played a bit of center as well. He's a warm body who could be a bit of a reclamation project. I mean, the guys a fourth liner or scratch. He's got size and reach. We're not exactly taking a terrible risk if the only thing he does is come in and be a warm body to work the walls. At least he won't get knocked over by contact.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

I like the idea of being able to put more physical guys in the line up for when we play teams that beat up on us last year. Like Dallas.

 

[XX]

And XX when you look at his fancy stats, could you look at his numbers with CHI? I'm assuming they would be closer to what we'd expect here than what his numbers in NJ were.

He regressed from 'sort of there traditional 4th liner' in Chicago to AHL level forward in NJ. On ice impact among the worst in the league.

I'd be really surprised if he commanded a 1 way deal in this market. I'd be thrilled to add him to any camp and Tucson.

 

[rt]

Hayden has only been pro for a few years. He’s older but it’s easy to forget that he graduated from Yale, doing all four years there.

 

[Foggy1097]

Well this has been....exciting. Can’t wait for all this dust to settle so Armstrong can move on to doing something actually significant.

 

[rt]

Well this has been....exciting. Can’t wait for all this dust to settle so Armstrong can move on to doing something actually significant.

Like firing Tocchet and Housley?

 

[_Del_]

I still want to trade for Ryan. We have things they could be looking for. Goaltender on expiring contract. Defensemen on expiring contract. There's something to be done there.

 

[Foggy1097]

Like firing Tocchet and Housley?

That would be nice haha. Trading Kuemper, possibly Kessel, one of Goose or Demers, Stepan...possibly circling back around with OEL and his freak show agent to see where things stand. Any of that would be nice

 

[Foggy1097]

I still want to trade for Ryan. We have things they could be looking for. Goaltender on expiring contract. Defensemen on expiring contract. There's something to be done there.

Ryan? Which Ryan?

 

[_Del_]

Ryan? Which Ryan?

Derek

 

[Foggy1097]

Derek

Ugh, really? Why?? I thought he was pretty much washed up at this point...

 

[_Del_]

High motor two-way guy that can play up and down the lineup at center. I don't understand this board sometimes. I would like to add McDavid, too, but realities being what they are, ...

 

[TheLegend]

New thread time.....

2020 Off Season Discussion Part IV