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I posted this before but I should have added a description. This is Craig Button discussing prospects for this draft. There are interviews and clips of multiple prospects.
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I realize that most here are against drafting a goalie early in the 1st rd bc of that voodoo thing & that there are some good players in this draft. However, when I look at the teams that are drafting from #8 to #13 most of the teams in that range could all use a goalie for their future team.
NJ has two picks in that range & I could see them drafting Askarov at either 7th or 10th, possibly 7th to assure they get him & other teams do not. Is 5th OA a stretch for this type of goalie? How important is a really good goalie to a team? How many goalies have won the Conn Symth? Have you heard it said that teams build from the net out?
Can I officially change However in these posts to HV in future? All in favour say Yea, against Nay? Happy Day After Canada Day everyone.
I'm sure this has also been mentioned, but the fear about Perfetti's skating is making it hard for me to want him at 5 over Raymond or Drysdale. The takeaway from the World Junior selection camp was that Perfetti couldn't keep pace in the scrimmages against the U-all star team.
Thinking the game at a high level is essential, but I feel less confident banking on a guy who scouts say needs better starts and straight line speed than a player that needs to put on muscle.
Mark Stone?
There seems to be a large amount of buzz that Askarov is top 5 on some internal lists, and while I don't think he will go that high, I see more such buzz for Askarov than I saw for Knight. I think Askarov will go around the same spot at the very latest, and could see him going as early as 7 as you mentioned. I'm very much against drafting a goalie that high, but if he does hit, he could be one of the more valuable players from this draft
That said, here are the starters produced from 2006 to 2013:
2006
Bernier (11)
Varlamov (23)
Neuvirth (34)
Mason (69)
Reimer (99)
2008
Markstrom (31)
Allen (34)
Holty (93)
2009
Lehner (46)
Nilsson (62)
Kuemper (161)
2010
Grubauer (112)
Mrazek (141)
Andersen (187)
2011
Gibson (39)
Binnington (88)
2012
Vasilevskiy (19)
Korpisalo (62)
Andersen (73)
Murray (83)
Hellebuyck (130)
Ullmark (163)
2013
Jarry (44)
Saros (99)
You get a slightly better rate of above average starters at the top 60 of the draft, although not by a significant margin, and same for top tier starters. Sure, Vasilevskiy, Gibson, Markstrom, Varlamov, Jarry and Lehner were all top 60 guys, but you also have Hellebuyck, Murray, Andersen, Binnington, Grubauer, Holtby and Kuemper outside of that range. I do think were seeing a trend of goalies going higher again, after a 15 year freeze, and the days of a goalie in the top 10 or even top 5 may soon be upon us, but I think the risk with a high pick is still so strong and I think even compared to 20 years ago, where goalies were already considered voodoo, strides in scouting have happened less in regards to goaltending than they have to other positions.
Currently, the trend of finding goaltenders is pretty well distributed across the draft. The strongest correlation with high picks is playing a lot of games, but that appears to be more a case of opportunity than merit. Whoever picks Askarov may very well look like a genius, as he seems to have a pedigree that is pretty much unrivaled, but goalies are so tough to evaluate that only those who are skilled at doing so will have a really strong positive opinion on him. I won't be surprised if he becomes a franchise player, but it scares me to bank on him doing so - especially with a top 5 pick. I'm even iffy on him in the teens, despite that being our third pick! I'm probably more risk-averse than some on here, so take that with a grain of salt...
Stone is 6'2. If Stone was fast, the guy would be top 5 NHL player. Perfetti's concerns are size AND speed.
You’re overrating Stone, he wouldn’t be close to a top 5 player.Stone is 6'2. If Stone was fast, the guy would be top 5 NHL player. Perfetti's concerns are size AND speed.
GuhleLet's assume we take forwards with our first two picks and our third pick is in the mid teens. Barron, Schneider and Guhle are all available but I haven't seen them enough to have a strong opinion. For the sake of argument let's agree we're taking a defenseman here. Which of these guys should we take? I need to know so I can decide whether or not I'm pissed off on draft day.
You’re overrating Stone, he wouldn’t be close to a top 5 player.
Tourigny on Rossi "translated"
"Marco is the player, with Lafrenière obviously, who is the most ready to play in the big league," said the pilot to the TVA Sports network.
A quick glance at Rossi's statistics shows that Tourigny is not biased. Even if he talks about his own player, his figures clearly show that he does indeed seem to be a check mark above.
In 56 games this season, the young man has an impressive 39 goals and 81 assists (120 points).
Multiple qualities
Of course, as a good coach, Tourigny sees beyond the statistics. Besides, you quickly realize that his compliment chest is full when it comes to talking about Marco Rossi.
“Even at 5 feet 9 inches, he is extremely strong on his skates. It also excels in tight spaces. I must also tell you that defensively, Marco is in my opinion the best player in this draft. He is so good in his territory and that's what sets him apart from other talented players. ”
The 67's coach then goes on to say something very revealing about his assessment of Rossi's game.
“Marco is mature at all levels. He is very hard in his battles. I was lucky to see Nico Hischier play very closely, but Rossi is more advanced than Hischier was at the same age. ”
“No matter who the coach is, he can use it everywhere, no doubt. He will be able to win the coaches' trust very quickly.
"He only lives for hockey"
When professional teams scrutinize the different hopes in anticipation of a draft, they also focus on the players' personality and their habits off the ice. No problem on that, swears Tourigny.
"He's a very reserved guy. He's not a guy who talks a lot. He doesn't like the spotlight. If you want to talk with Marco, you talk to him about hockey or his country! If you talk to him about cars, movies or politics, you lose him!
"He only lives for hockey!" He eats, drinks and sleeps according to that! He is ready to do anything to be better. He is an inspiration to his teammates. The other players see him as a model. ”
Marco Rossi: «Il est plus avancé que Nico Hischier au même âge» – André Tourigny
Let's assume we take forwards with our first two picks and our third pick is in the mid teens. Barron, Schneider and Guhle are all available but I haven't seen them enough to have a strong opinion. For the sake of argument let's agree we're taking a defenseman here. Which of these guys should we take? I need to know so I can decide whether or not I'm pissed off on draft day.
certainly not a bad optionWe need to stay away from Perfetti. Guy is small and not a great skater, either. It seems way to risky.
Rossi with the same issue but yet is still better than Perfetti and plays Center
Even Drysdale isn't a great skater, and at times make questionable decision. Drysdale would be a good 3-4 years project, if we draft him, and I do not have that kind of patients
Raymond is a hard prospect to evaluate. He seems to have skill, but hasn't gotten the opportunity to play in an offensive role, so we are not sure what his production can be like in the NHL. He seems like a smart 2-way player with good skating. I see a Norris 2.0 in him
At this point, I hope we just trade our 5th overall to draft 2nd and get Byfield and Stutzle.
I assume you have Drysdale confused with another human being.We need to stay away from Perfetti. Guy is small and not a great skater, either. It seems way to risky.
Rossi with the same issue but yet is still better than Perfetti and plays Center
Even Drysdale isn't a great skater, and at times make questionable decision. Drysdale would be a good 3-4 years project, if we draft him, and I do not have that kind of patients
Raymond is a hard prospect to evaluate. He seems to have skill, but hasn't gotten the opportunity to play in an offensive role, so we are not sure what his production can be like in the NHL. He seems like a smart 2-way player with good skating. I see a Norris 2.0 in him
At this point, I hope we just trade our 5th overall to draft 2nd and get Byfield and Stutzle.
Drysdale will be in the NhL by 2021-2022 IMO.We need to stay away from Perfetti. Guy is small and not a great skater, either. It seems way to risky.
Rossi with the same issue but yet is still better than Perfetti and plays Center
Even Drysdale isn't a great skater, and at times make questionable decision. Drysdale would be a good 3-4 years project, if we draft him, and I do not have that kind of patients
Raymond is a hard prospect to evaluate. He seems to have skill, but hasn't gotten the opportunity to play in an offensive role, so we are not sure what his production can be like in the NHL. He seems like a smart 2-way player with good skating. I see a Norris 2.0 in him
At this point, I hope we just trade our 5th overall to draft 2nd and get Byfield and Stutzle.
We need to stay away from Perfetti. Guy is small and not a great skater, either. It seems way to risky.
Rossi with the same issue but yet is still better than Perfetti and plays Center
Even Drysdale isn't a great skater, and at times make questionable decision. Drysdale would be a good 3-4 years project, if we draft him, and I do not have that kind of patients
Raymond is a hard prospect to evaluate. He seems to have skill, but hasn't gotten the opportunity to play in an offensive role, so we are not sure what his production can be like in the NHL. He seems like a smart 2-way player with good skating. I see a Norris 2.0 in him
At this point, I hope we just trade our 5th overall to draft 2nd and get Byfield and Stutzle.
He is definitely a player to consider in the second round I agree. However no he isnt a Rossi or Perfetti level of prospect.I would draft in the second round sensational Dmitri Ovchinnikov, with speed to burn and great hands. He is in top five best skaters of this draft. Ovchinnikov is the same caliber player as Rossi or Prefetti, but because he did not make the jump yet to Canadian juniors he is extremely underrated by scouts. Ovchinnikov would easy score 100 points in Q and 80-90 points in OHL. I am sure he is not even on the Sens radar.
We need to stay away from Perfetti. Guy is small and not a great skater, either. It seems way to risky.
Rossi with the same issue but yet is still better than Perfetti and plays Center
Even Drysdale isn't a great skater, and at times make questionable decision. Drysdale would be a good 3-4 years project, if we draft him, and I do not have that kind of patients
Raymond is a hard prospect to evaluate. He seems to have skill, but hasn't gotten the opportunity to play in an offensive role, so we are not sure what his production can be like in the NHL. He seems like a smart 2-way player with good skating. I see a Norris 2.0 in him
At this point, I hope we just trade our 5th overall to draft 2nd and get Byfield and Stutzle.