Red Sox/MLB 2020 Hot Stove VII - The Mookie dilemma: Red Sox face franchise-changing decision

[Gator Mike]

Starting to get the sense that Buster Olney knows something...

 

[Gator Mike]

 

[RockLobster]

Pete Abraham responding to someone on Twitter, and his tone makes it sound like he knows that Mookie is gone to LA (of course I could just be projecting...)

 

[Gator Mike]

Mookie Betts trade rumors: Red Sox ‘approaching a resolution’ on deal; Dodgers still actively engaged

"The Dodgers have long looked like a top potential fit for Betts, who has made clear his intentions to test free agency after 2020 instead of signing a long-term extension with the Red Sox. Any package heading back to Boston would likely include a major league piece or two (likely in the outfield), a young pitcher and a prospect."​

 

[smithformeragent]

Laters, baby!

 

[RockLobster]

I'm curious for you all here (and some have already answered):

If it is LA, what would you imagine the most likely return being? (so not necessarily what I/we would WANT the return to be)

 

[Gator Mike]

 

[Mr Cartmenez]

It appears the Dodgers haven been serious all along. That's a very good position for the Sox to be in to have multiple teams from the same division fighting for a player.

Again: No matter if Mookie is an expensive rental, he's as great of a player that has been moved in quite a while. Players like that usually don't get traded. So he's a game changer for a team, especially if that team was the Dodgers.
Maybe the Dodgers gave in a little bit due to the Padres strong interest.

If there has to be a ML-ready piece from LA, I gotta imagine Verdugo would be the prime candidate. Maybe Pollock if Dodgers want to shed out payroll. Or Gonsolin. But if Price is not being traded before the season starts, the rotation appears to be full (Sale, Price, Eovaldi, Rodriguez, Perez)

But why don't they just take Price on top of it?
Betts, Price + 10-15m per (we would still get under the 209 threshold) for Verdugo and two of Gonsolin/Downs/Gray/Ruiz

baseballtradevalues says that Betts for Verdugo would be kinda fair in terms of $ value, but I doubt the Sox would move Betts in an equal value deal. The Dodgers extra value comes out of winning a world series, which as I said before, is infinitely more valuable than some prospects. So we would need it to be kinda lopsided in our favor.

 

[DKH]

LA should be all over Betts

I’d be stunned if he didn’t resign there

he could get out of the fish bowl

any deal with Verdugo is great by me

 

[CDJ]

Betts and Price (w the Sox paying ~23 mill) for Verdugo, Stripling, Ruiz, and Gonsolin

The Sox reset the luxury tax, get a good young OF, 2 quality major league arms, and a catching prospect

The Dodgers get the NL pennant and probably the world series

 

[KrejciMVP]

LA should be all over Betts

I’d be stunned if he didn’t resign there

he could get out of the fish bowl

any deal with Verdugo is great by me

Maybe hell sign with the Yankees as well

 

[CDJ]

Keith law in his chat said Verdugo, Ruiz, and a couple non top 100 guys wouldn’t get it done because we’re fielding offers from multiple teams

I find that encouraging because I honestly wouldn’t mind that trade lol

 

[DKH]

Keith law in his chat said Verdugo, Ruiz, and a couple non top 100 guys wouldn’t get it done because we’re fielding offers from multiple teams

I find that encouraging because I honestly wouldn’t mind that trade lol

Verdugo & Downs works very well

 

[Gator Mike]

Verdugo & Downs works very well

I'd want a pitcher.

 

[Mr Cartmenez]

Keith law in his chat said Verdugo, Ruiz, and a couple non top 100 guys wouldn’t get it done because we’re fielding offers from multiple teams

I find that encouraging because I honestly wouldn’t mind that trade lol

Thought it was kinda close due to what was being reported by the San Diego media (no top 5 prospects involved).

Think we need to aim higher. As I said previously, Red Sox have multiple teams in a bidding war and they have an asset that is almost never being made available. Top 5 player in his prime.

They really need to be blown out of the water and even the SD guys said the Padres were willing to give in...seems like they just want to offer more quantity.

My favorite trade with the Dodgers would probably be (assuming Lux and May are not available):
Betts, Price and some money for Pollock/Pederson (salary dump), Verdugo, Downs one of Gonsolin/Gray and Cartaya. (not that high on Ruiz myself and we still have Vazquez).

 

[Gator Mike]

If they could manage to get Verdugo, Gonsolin, and one of Ruiz/Downs/Gray, I'd be pretty happy.

 

[Gator Mike]

 

[SPV]

I think Verdugo has to be part of a Dodgers deal. Then really any of a few pitchers, I'd prefer guys that have some MLB experience & could contribute as soon as this year (Gonsolin, May, Santana)

 

[yazmybaby]

Betts and Price (w the Sox paying ~23 mill) for Verdugo, Stripling, Ruiz, and Gonsolin

The Sox reset the luxury tax, get a good young OF, 2 quality major league arms, and a catching prospect

The Dodgers get the NL pennant and probably the world series

This is highway robbery for the BoSox, no way the Dodgers do this deal.
We will be lucky to get one of Verdugo, Ruiz and Gonsolin.
I think the other players the Dodgers have on the table include:
Pollock
Taylor
Alexander

I would be thinking outside the box on this trade and add someone like Dalbec to the deal. The Dodgers have a weakness at 3B and need a great prospect. Justin Turner will be 35 this year and will be on a downward trend.
We have Devers there for a long time and Casas our best prospect needs a position in 2 years and will play 1B.
Adding someone like Dalbec should get us Verdugo, Stripling, Ruiz and Gonsolin.
Verdugo plays RF for the next 5 years, we have a great young catcher and one potential high end pitcher in Gonsolin and a decent spot starter / mid reliever in Stripling who was an all-star a few years ago.

 

[N o o d l e s]

Verdugo + Ruiz + Santana + Downs seems like something the Dodgers wouldn’t do but I hope it happens

 

[Gator Mike]

Sources: Red Sox talk Betts trade with Dodgers

The Boston Red Sox are deep into talks with the Los Angeles Dodgers about All-Star right fielder Mookie Betts, according to sources.

The two sides have talked about possible trade combinations that involve veteran left-hander David Price, and some that don't include Price.

The Red Sox see the benefit of opening spring training without the question of Betts' future hanging over the team, sources said. Betts, 27, will be eligible for free agency after the 2020 season, and the Red Sox have repeatedly broached the idea of signing him to a long-term deal, without success. Rival executives think it's inevitable that the Red Sox will trade Betts before the July 31 deadline.​

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

Starting to get the sense that Buster Olney knows something...

 

[McGarnagle]

If Chaim Bloom can leverage the Padre offer against the Dodgers and get them to part with Lux, I'd be happy.

Verdugo++ is a good return for one year of Mookie if he's insistent on going to the free agent market after 2020. And if we get rid of Price in the process, all the better.

 

[LouJersey]

David Pastrnak is a UFA at 27. When he wants to be paid what he deserves at that age are y’all cool with dealing him for prospects?

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

Bob Nightengale mentions in a San Diego radio spot that Tony Gonsolin might be part of the package. He has a nasty split.