2020/21 Roster Thread X: Chuck's time to shine

[Appleyard]

 

[deadhead]

Flyers need a cultural change in the clubhouse, you can blame the coach for a lot of things, but failure to back check tends to be on the players, it takes a lot of energy to skate back as hard as you skate forward. Sure Trotz gets a lot of credit for the Islanders, but look at the type of players added since he got there, mostly hard working muckers, even Pageau. What Trotz was able to do is get skill players like Barzal to sacrifice their stats to help the team win. Flyers do it at times, but a lot of games players are slow getting back, and that's when they get into trouble on defense.

Another other factor is lack of quickness, the Flyers are no longer slow, but they lack players with burst. They're slow getting to pucks.

A third factor is lack of toughness, especially when it comes to winning board battles. Some of this is having a young team with players who haven't physically matured (Farabee), some of this are veterans who lack fire or technique. Lindblom has "it,"' just has to get his health back. Patrick tries but needs to work on it. Same with TK.

I think one reason they wanted to lock Laughton up were these weaknesses. They wanted an anchor for the bottom six who "plays the right way." Laughton doesn't have a great defensive IQ, but he does the dirty work. Most of the bottom six the next few years will be young forwards on their ELC and bridge contracts, so Laughton will be the guy they play with their first few years.

Just look at next season's bottom six: Laughton (27), Farabee (21), Lindblom (25), Patrick (23),
Frost (22), Laczynski (24), NAK (25), Allison (24), Cates (22), Bunnaman (23).
And Wisdom and Foerster (19).

 

[Flyerfan4life]

doesnt it set HUGE f***ing red flags that BOTH goalies would have same problem in the same season ?

this problem is purely a sysyems error.. and that error is 100% AV.

remove AV and this comedy of assistants id bet the farm with exactly the same roster the goalie issues fix themselves

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Seth Jones & Ivan Provorov on the same team & same pairing. Two players with some of the most out of whack perceptions in the entire league.

 

[TheLegendkiller]

Anybody like Duncan Keith as a Nisky replacement? Cup winner, leadership guy, former no. 1 D, super experienced. My man's cap-hit is only $5.5 for two more years!

 

[Rebels57]

Anybody like Duncan Keith as a Nisky replacement? Cup winner, leadership guy, former no. 1 D, super experienced. My man's cap-hit is only $5.5 for two more years!

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I don't but i'm sure Chuck does.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Flyers need a cultural change in the clubhouse, you can blame the coach for a lot of things, but failure to back check tends to be on the players, it takes a lot of energy to skate back as hard as you skate forward. Sure Trotz gets a lot of credit for the Islanders, but look at the type of players added since he got there, mostly hard working muckers, even Pageau. What Trotz was able to do is get skill players like Barzal to sacrifice their stats to help the team win. Flyers do it at times, but a lot of games players are slow getting back, and that's when they get into trouble on defense.

Another other factor is lack of quickness, the Flyers are no longer slow, but they lack players with burst. They're slow getting to pucks.

A third factor is lack of toughness, especially when it comes to winning board battles. Some of this is having a young team with players who haven't physically matured (Farabee), some of this are veterans who lack fire or technique. Lindblom has "it,"' just has to get his health back. Patrick tries but needs to work on it. Same with TK.

I think one reason they wanted to lock Laughton up were these weaknesses. They wanted an anchor for the bottom six who "plays the right way." Laughton doesn't have a great defensive IQ, but he does the dirty work. Most of the bottom six the next few years will be young forwards on their ELC and bridge contracts, so Laughton will be the guy they play with their first few years.

Just look at next season's bottom six: Laughton (27), Farabee (21), Lindblom (25), Patrick (23),
Frost (22), Laczynski (24), NAK (25), Allison (24), Cates (22), Bunnaman (23).
And Wisdom and Foerster (19).

This team is SOFT. Lacking in tenacity, competitiveness, & heaviness. Very weak in puck & positional battles.

Hextall’s prospects are looking overwhelmingly like meek busts. His era will be looked back upon as a complete disaster.

They need to change the culture, all right. Gone should be pushovers/low-motor guys like Sanheim, Myers, & Patrick. Frost, too, is the last type of player this team needs.

They need players who are willing to crash & fight for the puck & positioning. Guys who seek contact & will take hits rather than avoid confrontation. Guys willing to play north/south. More Islander-type players.

That, & bringing in a goalie who can actually play, will do wonders to change the culture of this pathetic group.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Nothing personal but the infatuation to model this team like the Islanders....

I mean they aren’t bad, but there are multiple other clubs that I would choose to emulate things from first.

They win some games sure, but it’s a product as boring as dirt. They seem to be pumping the propaganda machine at increasing the grit of the team.

Talent wins championships first and foremost, and just because they can’t find a true young star to take the torch from the older core - shouldn’t eliminate the fact that true upper tier talent remains the biggest hole.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

This team is SOFT. Lacking in tenacity, competitiveness, & heaviness. Very weak in puck & positional battles.

Hextall’s prospects are looking overwhelmingly like meek busts. His era will be looked back upon as a complete disaster.

They need to change the culture, all right. Gone should be pushovers/low-motor guys like Sanheim, Myers, & Patrick. Frost, too, is the last type of player this team needs.

They need players who are willing to crash & fight for the puck & positioning. Guys who seek contact & will take hits rather than avoid confrontation. Guys willing to play north/south. More Islander-type players.

That, & bringing in a goalie who can actually play, will do wonders to change the culture of this pathetic group.

 

[deadhead]

Nothing personal but the infatuation to model this team like the Islanders....

I mean they aren’t bad, but there are multiple other clubs that I would choose to emulate things from first.

They win some games sure, but it’s a product as boring as dirt.

We're not going to sign the next Panarin in FA, we're probably not picking in the top 5 anytime soon.
So we need to emulate the teams that win without superstars, Vegas, the Blues, etc.
It took a lot of suckatude for Colorado and Edmonton to get their stars. Crosby covers a lot of crap up in Pittsburgh, Ovechkin outscores mistakes in Washington.
On the other hand, Nico and Hughes have yet to move the needle. Sucking for dollars doesn't always work.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Nothing personal but the infatuation to model this team like the Islanders....

I mean they aren’t bad, but there are multiple other clubs that I would choose to emulate things from first.

They win some games sure, but it’s a product as boring as dirt.

The point is they need to do what the Islanders did & ship out soft, non-confrontational, & low-motor players & replace them with players who aren’t afraid to take hits & to crash into dirty areas.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

FWIW I could see a scenario where we trade for PK Subban.

I know that's nuts and likely an awful idea, but I can see it.

 

[deadhead]

No, I think Fletcher is pretty much committed to the youth movement.
Hasn't traded a prospect yet, just extended a 26 year old forward, his big signing was a 27 year old center.
Only over 30 players added were short-term deals, Niskanen, Braun.

If he trades youth and prospects, I'll bet it's for a player 26 and under, if he adds veterans, it'll be on short-term deals.

 

[Rebels57]

Nothing personal but the infatuation to model this team like the Islanders....

I mean they aren’t bad, but there are multiple other clubs that I would choose to emulate things from first.

They win some games sure, but it’s a product as boring as dirt. They seem to be pumping the propaganda machine at increasing the grit of the team.

Talent wins championships first and foremost, and just because they can’t find a true young star to take the torch from the older core - shouldn’t eliminate the fact that true upper tier talent remains the biggest hole.

The only model in the NHL other teams should try to duplicate are the Tampa Bay Lightning. If you can't be Tampa, find a way to blaze your own trail.

 

[Audible Velvet]

Nothing personal but the infatuation to model this team like the Islanders....

I mean they aren’t bad, but there are multiple other clubs that I would choose to emulate things from first.

They win some games sure, but it’s a product as boring as dirt. They seem to be pumping the propaganda machine at increasing the grit of the team.

Talent wins championships first and foremost, and just because they can’t find a true young star to take the torch from the older core - shouldn’t eliminate the fact that true upper tier talent remains the biggest hole.

I have this concern. I love the physical elements in the game, love guys getti g hit legally and all that, but don't trust them to temper that desire with the best talent.

 

[BiggE]

Can they just forfeit the rest of their games? It will lessen the pain and suffering for the hundred or so fans that they have left.

 

[Striiker]

I'm still waiting to hear a single good reason why the team needs a major shakeup or a leadership/culture change.

If we acknowledge that the two biggest problems are the coaching and the goaltending - which obviously they are - then we should be able to see that the current results are not an accurate representation of the skaters ability. So what are we accomplishing by blowing up a roster that isn't even bad? Change for the sake of change? Doing that does absolutely nothing if the coaching and goaltending keep sucking, since those are by far the two biggest problems.

 

[BiggE]

I'm still waiting to hear a single good reason why the team needs a major shakeup or a leadership/culture change.

If we acknowledge that the two biggest problems are the coaching and the goaltending - which obviously they are - then we should be able to see that the current results are not an accurate representation of the skaters ability. So what are we accomplishing by blowing up a roster that isn't even bad? Change for the sake of change? Doing that does absolutely nothing if the coaching and goaltending keep sucking, since those are by far the two biggest problems.

Well, when you consider that they need to get rid of:
Fletcher
The entire coaching staff
Braun and Hagg
Hayes
Scotty
NAK
Elliott

You end up with a major shakeup.

Sadly Chuckles is going nowhere and the entire coaching staff may well be back. Oh, and the shakeup will be getting rid of one or both of JVR/Jake along with Ghost.

Yay team

kill me

 

[Striiker]

Well, when you consider that they need to get rid of:
Fletcher
The entire coaching staff
Braun and Hagg
Hayes
Scotty
NAK
Elliott

You end up with a major shakeup.

Sadly Chuckles is going nowhere and the entire coaching staff may well be back. Oh, and the shakeup will be getting rid of one or both of JVR/Jake along with Ghost.

Yay team

kill me

I meant a core shakeup, like getting rid of one or more of Couturier, Giroux, Voracek, TK, Ghost, Sanheim, Provorov, or other good/young players.

 

[Starat327]

Can they just forfeit the rest of their games? It will lessen the pain and suffering for the hundred or so fans that they have left.

Probably end the season with a better goal differential too. Arent forfeits only like... 3-0 losses?

 

[TheLegendkiller]

I'm still waiting to hear a single good reason why the team needs a major shakeup or a leadership/culture change.

If we acknowledge that the two biggest problems are the coaching and the goaltending - which obviously they are - then we should be able to see that the current results are not an accurate representation of the skaters ability. So what are we accomplishing by blowing up a roster that isn't even bad? Change for the sake of change? Doing that does absolutely nothing if the coaching and goaltending keep sucking, since those are by far the two biggest problems.

People are going by what they expect will happen. Fletcher said no changes are coming to coaching. Maybe he's not telling the full truth on that but we have no idea. We have to assume the coaching is staying the same. If it is, the roster is what will change.

I say keep Giroux and one of the other high priced forwards and trade two (JVR and Vorecek would be my picks). Probably move on from Patrick and try to land Eichel, Hamilton, Evander Kane, Hertl, or somebody.

 

[deadhead]

The only model in the NHL other teams should try to duplicate are the Tampa Bay Lightning. If you can't be Tampa, find a way to blaze your own trail.

So a few top scorers, bottom six full of muckers and a big, physical defense.

And find a top 5 goaltender.

 

[BiggE]

I meant a core shakeup, like getting rid of one or more of Couturier, Giroux, Voracek, TK, Ghost, Sanheim, Provorov, or other good/young players.

Oh I know. And sadly, though it’s not needed, it’s exactly what I’m afraid Chuck is gonna do.

 

[deadhead]

Well, when you consider that they need to get rid of:
Fletcher
The entire coaching staff
Braun and Hagg
Hayes
Scotty
NAK
Elliott

Elliott is gone.
Braun, Hagg and NAK aren't a shakeup. Switching out 3rd pair and 4th line players is a non-event
Laughton is fine, one of the few players with a consistent motor. And again, switching out a bottom six player isn't a "shake up."
So basically Hayes, who can't be moved until after 21-22.

Notice all the players who play the lion share of minutes aren't on your list, so you want to change the team by changing players who have a minor impact on winning or losing?

 

[BiggE]

Elliott is gone.
Braun, Hagg and NAK aren't a shakeup. Switching out 3rd pair and 4th line players is a non-event
Laughton is fine, one of the few players with a consistent motor. And again, switching out a bottom six player isn't a "shake up."
So basically Hayes, who can't be moved until after 21-22.

Notice all the players who play the lion share of minutes aren't on your list, so you want to change the team by changing players who have a minor impact on winning or losing?

Hayes doesn’t play significant minutes?
Season average: 18:01
And Hagg (recently) and Braun seem to be getting top 4 usage.

Nice try