Speculation: 2020-2021 Sharks Roster Discussion Part 8
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hohosaregood
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On Debrusk, I've always viewed him as being Timo Meier-lite. I like him when I see him play but he's pretty inconsistent it seems.
Mr Fahrenheit
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Which works cause he was a guy drafted before Barzal too, we need more of those
Looked to me like he strained his neck or maybe a pinched nerve. Doubtful that it's serious but Buffalo shouldn't be quick to get him back in the lineup with the team going down the tubes.
There’s honestly no reason to have him play another game with the franchise. He’s as good as gone and it seems every game he’s played this year has either hurt his stock of hurt his body.
Depends on how much hardball the Sabres want to play. They pretty much have until July 1, 2022 to find a trade to their liking. With all the rentals they have, it's understandable that it wouldn't happen now but in the offseason.
I’d be shocked if Eichel, Hall or Staal are on the team post deadline.I think any team taking on Eichel would want at least a season and some to see if he’s a good fit before they’re stuck with him for better or worse.
Hall and Staal definitely won't be there post-deadline. They also have Montour and Ullmark to rent out. That's a lot of guys to try and get a return on that they should prioritize over trading Eichel right now. Eichel still has a full season after this one before his NMC kicks in so that's going to be a sufficient test run for the new team.
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Would honestly not hate the idea of looking at Ullmark as a "rental" option (if he gets healthy) just to see how he fit into the team and negotiate with him to maybe be the starter moving forward. Given the trade value on rental goalies is pretty meh, would guess he could probably be had for a mid-late round pick.
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Great question. We have a boatload of middling wingers. Maybe dealing a winger prospect plus something for a goalie makes sense.
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I'd prefer to wait until after one of those assumptions actually does that, next year.
This is DW. It's pretty standard for him to open a spot if he thinks internal options warrant it. It's why Leonard and Knyzhov have a spot in the lineup this year.
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He had contingencies in place in case no one stepped up. I think that's what Noesen and Middleton are effectively. The moves he made weren't to open spots for youngsters they were to gain the Sharks draft picks (Goodrow and Dillon for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick). I guess if the question is who could the Sharks move knowing they have a litany of middlish 6 wingers and more on the way..... Nieto as a PK specialist, LaBanc as a PP specialist, Marleau for veteran leadership. If he was interested Vlassic or Simek could be moved as solid depth/vet leadership, if the situation was right.
He still will have contingencies in place in case no one stepped up. That's what any of the wingers we currently have minus one plus the obvious re-signing of Nieto provides. The moves he made with Goodrow and Dillon weren't to open spots for youngsters. The lack of a follow-up to replace those players was the move made to open spots for youngsters. Marleau is gone after this season. The question of who to move is very likely an off-season trade since it assumed that one of the prospects was ready for next season. The question was which winger do we move and for what?
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Assuming this is pretty much the locked-in roster:
Kane, Couture, Labanc
Meier, Hertl, Balcers
Donato, ____, Leonard
Nieto, ____, ____
Centers in the mix are Gambrell, Kellman, True, Chmelevski and Händemark. Lefties are Gregor, Chekhovich, Dahlén, and Bergmann. Blichfeld is the only righty.
Kellman has a one-way contract. Dahlén, Gambrell, Gregor, and True are RFAs. Händemark is a UFA. Leonard, Bergmann, Chmelevski, and Chekhovich should still be waiver-exempt to start the season.
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Hopefully Chmelevski can get going and prove to be a third-line center, but he's not been getting much of a chance. Gambrell is just outclassed anywhere outside of a fourth-line role, and I don't think the other centers are much more suited to the third line.
Gregor might be fine on the fourth line. He's fast, physical, and has a good shot, but he's not been very effective offensively and has been passed on the depth chart by Balcers and Leonard. I don't think the other wingers (save Bergmann) are really suited for a fourth-line role.
The most impressive wingers in terms of lower-league production appear to be Chekhovich, followed by Dahlén and then Blichfeld. Chekhovich is the youngest by six months and has impressed in a high-level league. Dahlén is the oldest and has not impressed in the AHL, and I think has serious competitiveness concerns (maybe overwrought, but we'll see), so we may never see him in the NHL anyway.
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I wouldn't mind seeing a forward group looking like:
Kane, Couture, Labanc
Meier, Hertl, Balcers
Donato, Chmelevski, Leonard
Nieto, True, Gregor
Blichfeld, Kellman
Chekhovich in the AHL unless he forces his way onto the roster. Dahlén I'd evaluate in training camp, if he comes over, and then decide whether or not to trade him or play him.
If the Sharks can acquire a true third-line center, I'd trade Gregor and put Chmelevski on the fourth line with a chance to move up.
Kane, Couture, Labanc
Meier, Hertl, Balcers
Donato, ____, Leonard
Nieto, ____, ____
Centers in the mix are Gambrell, Kellman, True, Chmelevski and Händemark. Lefties are Gregor, Chekhovich, Dahlén, and Bergmann. Blichfeld is the only righty.
Kellman has a one-way contract. Dahlén, Gambrell, Gregor, and True are RFAs. Händemark is a UFA. Leonard, Bergmann, Chmelevski, and Chekhovich should still be waiver-exempt to start the season.
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Hopefully Chmelevski can get going and prove to be a third-line center, but he's not been getting much of a chance. Gambrell is just outclassed anywhere outside of a fourth-line role, and I don't think the other centers are much more suited to the third line.
Gregor might be fine on the fourth line. He's fast, physical, and has a good shot, but he's not been very effective offensively and has been passed on the depth chart by Balcers and Leonard. I don't think the other wingers (save Bergmann) are really suited for a fourth-line role.
The most impressive wingers in terms of lower-league production appear to be Chekhovich, followed by Dahlén and then Blichfeld. Chekhovich is the youngest by six months and has impressed in a high-level league. Dahlén is the oldest and has not impressed in the AHL, and I think has serious competitiveness concerns (maybe overwrought, but we'll see), so we may never see him in the NHL anyway.
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I wouldn't mind seeing a forward group looking like:
Kane, Couture, Labanc
Meier, Hertl, Balcers
Donato, Chmelevski, Leonard
Nieto, True, Gregor
Blichfeld, Kellman
Chekhovich in the AHL unless he forces his way onto the roster. Dahlén I'd evaluate in training camp, if he comes over, and then decide whether or not to trade him or play him.
If the Sharks can acquire a true third-line center, I'd trade Gregor and put Chmelevski on the fourth line with a chance to move up.
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I would guess Bordeleau is being thought of to be in the 3C mix with Gambrell a lock for either 3C or 4C if not selected in expansion draft (would guess Donato/Dahlen/Simek are the pick and DW may even toss a late round sweetener to protect Gambrell after this season if he protects Donato). So basically would become a battle of Bordeleau, Chmelevski, True, or Kellman for the final center spot as Handemark is likely gone back to Europe after this season.
Given the likely Jones buyout this offseason and if they get Seattle to take Simek, there should actually be a decent amount of cap space available for a 2/3C tweener even if you allocate $5.5 million to the goaltending situation in addition to buying out Jones ($4 mil for a starter and $1.5 mil for Dubnyk to come be the backup/1B). Let's say the 6D spot is filled internally or by a cheap vet, that would leave about $6-7 million to bring in a center upgrade and fill out the 13F and 7D depending how the RFA deals play out.
Hopfully, Chmelevski earn a spot on the 3rd line, kid was a gamer in WJC19, I havé high feeling about him develop into a Pavelski - Lite type on second line down thé road
They should, if no appealing trade is there, buy out both Jones and Vlasic. Neither can stay past this season.
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Jones can be bought out at a reasonable v cost after the 2021-2022 season, which coincidentally is after next year’s draft, which we should definitely be tanking for. I think (hope?) this is the plan.
As for Vlasic, unfortunately his contract is pretty buy-out proof. We have to find a way to unload him. Or LTIRetire him I guess.
Vlasic has three bad years but the rest are fine. I think it's worth eating if there's no other viable alternative.
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At the end of the day, there’s no way Doug Wilson buys out both Jones and Vlasic, especially Vlasic. GMs tend not to buy out long-term contracts that they themselves signed, although it’s not unheard of. Jones at least is palatable. I just don’t think DW can swallow having to buy out Vlasic too.
Fun fact I learned in my brief look into the history of buyouts: the first ever NHL player to be bought out? Curtis Brown.
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