2020/2021 Around the League Thread | Part 3

[mriswith]

I've teetered back and forth on this topic (possibly selfishly) over the years but I think I'm at the point where I'm sick of seeing losers like Benning/Dorion/AnySabresGM get rewarded for being garbage.

Their fans would have no hope without those picks though. All 3 of those GM's have big ownership interference problems as the plausible reason for hanging on to their jobs and continued loserness.

I think superteams are boring so I like the parity measures.

 

[Jyrki21]

Their fans would have no hope without those picks though. All 3 of those GM's have big ownership interference problems as the plausible reason for hanging on to their jobs and continued loserness.

I think superteams are boring so I like the parity measures.

Parity is fine. It's the 1:1 ratio of reversing the last season's standings that's an issue. It makes it functionally way worse to be a competitive team coming up short than just absolutely sucking, and it ruins the fan experience. So you get these boom-and-bust cycles for teams on the extreme fringes (Pittsburgh, Chicago, Tampa, L.A., etc.) while good-faith middle class teams get repeatedly punished. Unless a team gets terrible injury luck for a year and then the standings are thrown out of whack anyway and the draft rewards don't even reflect the true level of need.

And that's sort of my main complaint: if you're really trying to throw a lifeline to the most helpless teams, use more than just the most recent season as your benchmark, so you get a fairer view of "need" and not just the randomness of a single season as the basis to hand out the top talent in the game.

The whole rest of the world over you have promotion/relegation and a meaningful regular season to make you as a fan be able to cheer on your team in good faith in all circumstances.

 

[M2Beezy]

Ducks with an early goal on the Kings and the teams have traded a goal since. 2-1 Ducks LATE in the first period

 

[4Twenty]

Ducks with an early goal on the Kings and the teams have traded a goal since. 2-1 Ducks LATE in the first period

Hutton scored

 

[M2Beezy]

Hutton scored

Cant believe hes on the Ducks, big 3-2 goal half way thru the game tho, good for Hutts

 

[Jyrki21]

It would appear Ralph Krueger's son has taken to Twitter under an indecipherable pseudonym to defend his father's honor:

 

[DustyMartellaughs]

It would appear Ralph Krueger's son has taken to Twitter under an indecipherable pseudonym to defend his father's honor:

Oh, wow! That’s just embarrassing.

 

[Vector]

It continues to surprise me how much family members do not know to shut the f*** up when their relative is in a public position.

The funniest will always be Bryan Colangelo's wife (supposedly) ending his entire career.

 

[M2Beezy]

It continues to surprise me how much family members do not know to shut the f*** up when their relative is in a public position.

The funniest will always be Bryan Colangelo's wife (supposedly) ending his entire career.

Who?

 

[MS]

This one isn't really *that* embarrassing. And also really no different from Jim Benning's family members who have defended him on this board.

 

[Fatass]

This one isn't really *that* embarrassing. And also really no different from Jim Benning's family members who have defended him on this board.

You mean like from his twin sister, Jethrine?

 

[Vector]

Who?

On May 29, 2018, The Ringer published an investigation alleging Colangelo used up to five secret Twitter accounts to disparage his predecessor, Hinkie, as well as several 76ers players including Joel Embiid and Jahlil Okafor. The next day, the 76ers announced that they were commencing an investigation into the matter.[27] Colangelo denied the report in a statement.[28] On June 7, 2018, Colangelo resigned as a result of the Twitter scandal.[29] The situation related to his wife, Barbara Bottini, creating three of the five fake Twitter accounts involved that leaked potentially sensitive information about the Philadelphia 76ers organization, among other details. Colangelo also had an account, but he never used it for messaging purposes.[30] The 76ers' head coach Brett Brown was named interim general manager at the time, holding onto the position from June 7 to September 20. On that day, former 76ers player Elton Brand was named the official general manager of the team.[31]

 

[I am toxic]

In a world where good information is needed in order to make the best decisions, hiding one's bias is a bad thing.

Not only is it dishonest in and of itself, it misleads stakeholders and makes the world worse off.

 

[VibinCanuck]

Debrusk getting scratched tonight.

Perfect target for a Virtanen trade, especially when Boston would fool themselves into Virtanen's toolset.

 

[MS]

Debrusk getting scratched tonight.

Perfect target for a Virtanen trade, especially when Boston would fool themselves into Virtanen's toolset.

Personally I think Virtanen is a better player than Debrusk at a lower cap hit.

 

[Tables of Stats]

Personally I think Virtanen is a better player than Debrusk at a lower cap hit.

Debrusk is a proven secondary scoring threat and could easily slot into our second or third line and add some much-needed threat. What does Jake do that brings more value than 3 straight 15 goal seasons and never scoring fewer than 35 points at the NHL level?

 

[VibinCanuck]

2 years ago Debrusk scored 27 goals in 68 games. Virtanen's best season was 18 goals...

They largely have a similar contract structure only Debrusk gets a million more.

 

[Catamarca Livin]

Personally I think Virtanen is a better player than Debrusk at a lower cap hit.

They are similar type players. One has played on a much better team with better linemates. You might be right, though if Green us never going to play Jake in scoring situations a trade for a player he will might not be a bad thing.

 

[DustyMartellaughs]

I’d do that trade in a heartbeat, even if it means Jake blossoms into a player that gives his all five games a year.

 

[MS]

Debrusk is a proven secondary scoring threat and could easily slot into our second or third line and add some much-needed threat. What does Jake do that brings more value than 3 straight 15 goal seasons and never scoring fewer than 35 points at the NHL level?

Virtanen has been more productive since the start of last season, is a better two-way player, and makes $1 million less.

If Debrusk was an RFA at the end of this season ... you probably don't qualify him. And the last thing we need is to be taking on extra salary ahead of our cap crunch next year.

Debrusk has 0 ES goals in his last 34 regular season games from top-6 minutes. All in he's 47-5-4-9 -13 since early February 2020 including the bubble. He had a nice run next to David Krejci in 18-19 but right now this is a player cratering horribly, who doesn't bring anything else to the table if he isn't scoring. And Boston has been giving him minutes - it isn't like he's getting the Gaudette treatment.

 

[StreetHawk]

I’d do that trade in a heartbeat, even if it means Jake blossoms into a player that gives his all five games a year.

Debrusk in his first 3 years is what I hoped Jake would be after resetting expections down from E. Kane and his big year of 30 goals. DeBrusk has a $3.6 cap hit and like Jake it's back loaded. Same $1 mill higher than the cap hit.

 

[MS]

DeBrusk has a $3.6 cap hit and like Jake it's back loaded. Same $1 mill higher than the cap hit.

Yup. Debrusk requires a QO of almost $5 million in the summer of 2022, for a guy who currently doesn't have an ES goal in his last 34 regular season games. Do not touch.

 

[StreetHawk]

Yup. Debrusk requires a QO of almost $5 million in the summer of 2022, for a guy who currently doesn't have an ES goal in his last 34 regular season games. Do not touch.

the rule changed in the return to play so that the QO is now the Cap Hit or is his number too low for that benchmark?

 

[MS]

the rule changed in the return to play so that the QO is now the Cap Hit or is his number too low for that benchmark?

I haven't heard of this change and Capfriendly is still basing QOs off the player's last salary.

Ie. sticking with Boston, Brandon Carlo is RFA this summer with a $2.8 million cap hit and a $3.5 million salary, and Capfriendly reports his QO at $3.5 million.

 

[Tables of Stats]

Debrusk has 0 ES goals in his last 34 regular season games from top-6 minutes. All in he's 47-5-4-9 -13 since early February 2020 including the bubble. He had a nice run next to David Krejci in 18-19 but right now this is a player cratering horribly, who doesn't bring anything else to the table if he isn't scoring. And Boston has been giving him minutes - it isn't like he's getting the Gaudette treatment.

Even still Debrusk has 1.14 P/60 this season compared to Jake's 0.46 rating. Chris F-ing Tanev is scoring more in his 5-0n-5 minutes than Jake is.