Transfer: 2019 Winter Transfer Rumors and Discussion Part II

[bleedblue1223]

BTW, Keita was also the second highest transfer fee for a central midfielder ever. Clubs tend to pay far less for central midfielders than for wingers. I'd definitely say that Liverpool paid a premium for him and almost a year early to stave off competition. Of course he was coming off an excellent year.

Right that's the point. They paid over the release clause and early to ensure that they got their guy. Money doesn't matter for these clubs.

 

[Evilo]

Which doesn't mean they don't overpay.

 

[Blender]

Leipzig want Hudson-Odoi as well. Would be smart for Chelsea to do a swap deal of some sorts with them since they need a striker.

I don't want to lose Hudson-Odoi, but if it's going to happen then this is definitely the best case scenario. I would love to add Werner.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Dortmund are probably going to need to buy another CB.

Why?

Edit: Just saw the report about Akanji. Bad news for our title hopes, and you might be right that we need another number at CB. I still think a Zagadou-Diallo pairing is really good and Toprak is reliable, but Akanji has been the leader on the backline this season.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Which doesn't mean they don't overpay.

I'm not really disagreeing with that, just to the extent, but we'll just disagree on that. I really don't think it's much of an overpay based on what the market has been like the past few years, and even longer than that.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Dortmund are probably going to need to buy another CB.

They up'ed their bid for Belardi for 18 million. Guess they're really sold on him. Juve/Barca went after him in the summer. I'd love for him to be in Germany Just wary of how soon this move is.

Also Godin is leaving Atleti. Which might open up the door for Belardi's partner Perez.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

 

[Live in the Now]

If Godin stays in Europe I bet Arsenal or United will give him huge wages in the summer.

 

[Burner Account]

Marketing what?

No one can ever explain this bad talking point. We are supposed to acknowledge its existence without anyone explaining it in detail. It makes no sense, but I guess it doesn't need to.

Do you dispute that there is marketing value in having the best American player in a league and on a team that has a large American viewership, and a team that can play preseason games and sell kits and all kinds of merchandise in America?

I'm not saying Chelsea's entire marketing engine will revolve around Christian Pulisic or that he will be the face of Chelsea, but you don't see value in that?

 

[YNWA14]

You are committed I'll give you that.

He's quite committed. The beauty of course being that he ignored the most recent posts I made after those ones. Though the framing is by design no doubt.

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Never said he wasnt a good player and like I said I thought he'd do better than he is. That said I was skeptical.

 

[Evilo]

Still can't see your skepticism in any of those posts.
And besides, you wrote : "Was always pretty skeptical of Jorginho".

Erh... Don't dig any deeper.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Do you dispute that there is marketing value in having the best American player in a league and on a team that has a large American viewership, and a team that can play preseason games and sell kits and all kinds of merchandise in America?

I'm not saying Chelsea's entire marketing engine will revolve around Christian Pulisic or that he will be the face of Chelsea, but you don't see value in that?

There is marketing value in signing any young player who has talent and hype. Is there any evidence that Pulisic will have more of an impact on the clubs finances than if a comparable talent was signed? The claims being made revolved around Pulisic being a marketing ploy because he's American.

He had next to no impact on the finances at Borussia Dortmund. The club often doesn't make it onto TV in the USA. I think many also overestimate the US National Team presence in the USA. The USA is the most diverse country in the world. It is not like Brazil, Argentina, England, France, Spain, Germany where the majority of football fans support the local NT. The US Mens National Team is not the most popular mens National Team in the country. Mexico is. We barely have any fans. Most people don't realize this. "Americans" is not the same as the US Mens National Team.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

They up'ed their bid for Belardi for 18 million. Guess they're really sold on him. Juve/Barca went after him in the summer. I'd love for him to be in Germany Just wary of how soon this move is.

Also Godin is leaving Atleti. Which might open up the door for Belardi's partner Perez.

If Akanji is out the rest of the season, he's going to get some playing time. We are in three competitions right now, and with his price tag, they might prefer him to Toprak as the third CB.

 

[Deficient Mode]

They up'ed their bid for Belardi for 18 million. Guess they're really sold on him. Juve/Barca went after him in the summer. I'd love for him to be in Germany Just wary of how soon this move is.

Also Godin is leaving Atleti. Which might open up the door for Belardi's partner Perez.

Yeah, I saw that. They'd probably give him a good chance to play. Zagadou is the same age and he was in the rotation immediately after he transferred.

 

[bleedblue1223]

There is marketing value in signing any young player who has talent and hype. Is there any evidence that Pulisic will have more of an impact on the clubs finances than if a comparable talent was signed? The claims being made revolved around Pulisic being a marketing ploy because he's American.

He had next to no impact on the finances at Borussia Dortmund. The club often doesn't make it onto TV in the USA. I think many also overestimate the US National Team presence in the USA. The USA is the most diverse country in the world. It is not like Brazil, Argentina, England, France, Spain, Germany where the majority of football fans support the local NT. The US Mens National Team is not the most popular mens National Team in the country. Mexico is. We barely have any fans. Most people don't realize this. "Americans" is not the same as the US Mens National Team.

While others greatly overestimate the marketing impact, I think you are underrating it, as well as the size of the USA fanbase. Sure, a bulk of it is casual, but those are the fans that would be targeted with the Pulisic marketing.

Dortmund wasn't affected because the Bundesliga has minimal exposure here, and the Premier League is everywhere.

 

[East Coast Bias]

There is marketing value in signing any young player who has talent and hype. Is there any evidence that Pulisic will have more of an impact on the clubs finances than if a comparable talent was signed? The claims being made revolved around Pulisic being a marketing ploy because he's American.

He had next to no impact on the finances at Borussia Dortmund. The club often doesn't make it onto TV in the USA. I think many also overestimate the US National Team presence in the USA. The USA is the most diverse country in the world. It is not like Brazil, Argentina, England, France, Spain, Germany where the majority of football fans support the local NT. The US Mens National Team is not the most popular mens National Team in the country. Mexico is. We barely have any fans. Most people don't realize this. "Americans" is not the same as the US Mens National Team.

The USMNT is not the US soccer market. I don't know why you keep making this point. There are loads of people who watch Euro leagues who don't care about the USMNT, or only tune in during WCs. International soccer in the US is an every 4 year event, at best. Tons of people watch soccer year round here, more every year.

 

[The Abusement Park]

If Godin stays in Europe I bet Arsenal or United will give him huge wages in the summer.

Godin would be a fine add at United assuming we get another CB, like a young one that isn’t ready to play every week. But he can’t be our big CB signing that’s for sure.

 

[TheLeastOfTheBunch]

Sounds like de Jong to PSG is very close

 

[hatterson]

Godin would be a fine add at United assuming we get another CB, like a young one that isn’t ready to play every week. But he can’t be our big CB signing that’s for sure.

If it was for a transfer this window I'd think about it, but I want no part of giving him a big salary in the summer.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

The USMNT is not the US soccer market. I don't know why you keep making this point. There are loads of people who watch Euro leagues who don't care about the USMNT, or only tune in during WCs. International soccer in the US is an every 4 year event, at best. Tons of people watch soccer year round here, more every year.

Why would the US Soccer market care about Pulisic if its not related to the National Team he plays for?

 

[The Abusement Park]

If it was for a transfer this window I'd think about it, but I want no part of giving him a big salary in the summer.

I mean I’d rather them just go all out for Koulibaly or Skriniar. I haven’t watched much Atletico this year, but I guess he’s falling off the cliff?

 

[hatterson]

I mean I’d rather them just go all out for Koulibaly or Skriniar. I haven’t watched much Atletico this year, but I guess he’s falling off the cliff?

I haven't watched him hardly at all either, but he's almost 33 and was never the fastest guy on the pitch to start with. If he hasn't hit the cliff yet, it's coming soon.

He's also not played in roughly 1/3 of Atletico's games.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I haven't watched him hardly at all either, but he's almost 33 and was never the fastest guy on the pitch to start with. If he hasn't hit the cliff yet, it's coming soon.

He's also not played in roughly 1/3 of Atletico's games.

Oh shit he’s 33? I though he was only 30 and he’d be a solid 3CB for a couple seasons, yeah that changes my outlook for sure.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Tuchel has asked PSG to look into a few youngsters :
- Kai Havertz
- Santiago Ascacibar
- Nicolo Barella

Pfft that's like comparing silver to gold.

I'm guessing Tuchel knows him well from tormenting him in the German league. That's why Tuchel left to France obviously.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Why would the US Soccer market care about Pulisic if its not related to the National Team he plays for?

The casual soccer fans, if they want to pick a team to support, then they'll probably pick a team that they can make a connection to. A lot of US fans like Man U because of Beckham. A lot of casual fans will pickup Chelsea. How much money will that bring Chelsea, we simply don't know that at the moment. If they could renegotiate their kit deal with Nike or Yokohama, they would be able to demand more money.

It's a huge base of people, they just tend to be casual fans, which is why they are easy to turn to new clubs.