I am falsely hoping Yzerman comes in before 2 seasons from now, and clears all our current veteran D and goes full fresh for next season. No Ericsson, Daley, Dekeyser, Kronwall with the exception of Green, he can stay.
Kronwall.
Rational thinking puts Kronwall back on the roster. You all talk about not losing our winning culture during these down years. But yet a lot want to send Kronwall into space. Makes no sense.
Now what does make sense is having enough roster spots to accommodate our young d. So the complaint should be Ericsson or Daley. If Kronwall can play we’d be lucky to have him.
For 2019-20, Detroit adds retired players Nick Lidstrom and Niklas Kronwall to their staff as defense coaches. Then everybody wins.If we want to keep the "winning culture" or whatever they should dump Kronwall like the hot trash he is and get someone who can actually skate and who is better and thus will, ya know, help them win more.
When did "winning culture" become synonymous with keeping all the old crappy players on the team when they aren't any good anymore?
I wouldn't mind Stralman if Kronwall retires and one of Daley or Ericsson are traded. That won't happen though.Yeah I get what you are saying, and I would be perfectly fine not doing anything. I don't think this is the approach Holland will take though. Holland will almost certainly go and fill the lineup with other players.
For some reason I see him going extremely hard after Stralman. That is the exact type of signing Holland loves to do. I'm calling right now that Stralman or Chiarot will be Wings next year.
In Ken Holland's interviews after the deadline he said it's up to Kronwall if he wants to stay.Kronwall.
Rational thinking puts Kronwall back on the roster. You all talk about not losing our winning culture during these down years. But yet a lot want to send Kronwall into space. Makes no sense.
Now what does make sense is having enough roster spots to accommodate our young d. So the complaint should be Ericsson or Daley. If Kronwall can play we’d be lucky to have him.
Edit-- I meant at a reduced cap hit.
In Ken Holland's interviews after the deadline he said it's up to Kronwall if he wants to stay.
Think about that for a second...
Does that sound like a winning culture? A bad player can just decide if he wants to stay or not because of nostalgia, is that a winning culture? We should thank Kronner for the memories and move on. I know it's tough but he for sure isn't making many new memories. Cholowski and Hronek are the ones who actually have a chance at doing that and Kronwall staying directly affects the development of one of them.
You and I both know Blashil and Holland are super reluctant to send down Daley and Ericsson. Blashil scratching Ericsson for a couple games doesn't change that. One veteran defenseman not named Green or DeKeyser has to go.For defense, I want the kids to beat the aging vets for a roster spot. If Hronek/Cholo can't beat one of Kronner, Daley, DDK, Ericsson, or Green, they should still be learning in the AHL.
But having kids in the AHL doesn't mean we have to keep a decrepit Kronwall over a better guy via trade or free agency.For defense, I want the kids to beat the aging vets for a roster spot. If Hronek/Cholo can't beat one of Kronner, Daley, DDK, Ericsson, or Green, they should still be learning in the AHL.
But having kids in the AHL doesn't mean we have to keep a decrepit Kronwall over a better guy via trade or free agency.
You and I both know Blashil and Holland are super reluctant to send down Daley and Ericsson. Blashil scratching Ericsson for a couple games doesn't change that. One veteran defenseman not named Green or DeKeyser has to go.
Basically I'm not betting on Holland sending down a veteran who hasn't gone full Cleary mode until I see it.
For 2019-20, Detroit adds retired players Nick Lidstrom and Niklas Kronwall to their staff as defense coaches. Then everybody wins.
How the hell is Kronwall going to stop the losing culture? Hip checks and press conferences? He doesn't need to come back. That's the problem with "our culture" overly loyal to past-their-prime "greats". It's time to move on.Kronwall.
Rational thinking puts Kronwall back on the roster. You all talk about not losing our winning culture during these down years. But yet a lot want to send Kronwall into space. Makes no sense.
Now what does make sense is having enough roster spots to accommodate our young d. So the complaint should be Ericsson or Daley. If Kronwall can play we’d be lucky to have him.
Edit-- I meant at a reduced cap hit.
If we want to keep the "winning culture" or whatever they should dump Kronwall like the hot trash he is and get someone who can actually skate and who is better and thus will, ya know, help them win more.
When did "winning culture" become synonymous with keeping all the old crappy players on the team when they aren't any good anymore?
As far as free agency goes, Erik Karlsson should be the prime target. I wouldnt even be opposed to bringing Nyquist back if it meant Karlsson came with him even though im not sure bringing Gus back is the right move. Panarin would be great but its highly unlikely he comes here. The only other big name i'd shoot for is Duchene, just because having Larkin/Duchene as our 1-2 punch as our centers would be great plus you can afford to move Mantha or Athanasiou for help on the back end.
I also wouldnt be opposed to Edler if he was available, though we would have to move Daley/Ericsson/DeKeyser to make it happen which would be awesome. As long as Cholowski and Hronek arent blocked.
Agree on Duchene, since Veleno is likely at least 2 yrs. away from filling a 2C role, probably closer to 3yrs (if he makes it at all)...
Disagree on moving Mantha. AA is who I'd move for D help, but only for a Top 2-3 Dman. No to Edler, prefer Stralman instead. Move Daley & Big E asap. No to Gus unless its 3-4 yrs Max & $4.9 Max (doubtful)...we'll need the $ for Mantha/Bert/AA & then Hronek/Cholo etc. Go for Josi & Pietrangelo in 2020 & maybe RFA Trouba this summer for a trade&sign? (use AA+pick?) Send a pick to SEA to keep their mits of Hronek or Cholo in the expansion draft. Find a way to trade Nielsen with retention. Trade Green next TDL. Only resign Kronner if Daley & Big E are gone this summer.
We'll be struggling for offense next year maybe even more so next year, maybe Kevin Hayes to fill in Nyquist's spot/role. Dump Abby & Frk asap.
Bert-Larkin-Mantha
Zadina-Duchene-Hayes
Svech-Nielsen-Veleno
Helm-LGD-JDLR
Ehn
Turgeon?
Trouba-Green
DDK-Hronek
Cholo-Stralman?
Kronner
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Plus: Duchene, Hayes, Zadina, Veleno, Turgeon, Trouba, Stralman.
Minus: Frk, Abby, Daley & Big E;
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..in 2020-21 our D (after the expansion draft):
Josi-Pietrangelo
Trouba-Hronek
DDK-Cholo
trade Stralman, or just rotate 7 D, there's always injuries.
EDIT- nvm, expansion is 2021, so just throw a pick at SEA & a prospect to keep our core players.
You're right. It's been a long week w/o much sleep. Thanks for the correction. Though I think Hayes & especially Stralman aren't max contract types. Maybe 4-5 for Hayes, 2-3 for Stralman..anymore term & it wouldn't be worth it.Holy ****, there’s a lot to unpack here. I’ll start with the painfully obvious, where is the money coming from? Josi+Pietrangelo+Trouba is probably going to be over $25m in cap space. Duchene and Hayes will probably going to be around $15m in cap space. I won’t even look at Stralman for the purpose of this post. You still have Nielsen and Dekeyser and Helm taking up close to $15m. Larkin will need to be resigned but he’s already over $6m by himself. That’s $60m in cap there in 9 of the 20/21 skaters you will need, this post won’t even look at goalie situation. You completely ignored how you are attempting to get rid of Ericsson, Daley, and Abdelkader and their contracts that nobody will want to touch. Just getting rid of them would be buyouts or high retention on trades, which costs against the cap. Then consider that you will eventually need to resign your current young players in Mantha, Bert, Hronek, Cholowski, Rasmussen, Zadina, Veleno, and so on. None of your UFA signings are taking into consideration the term of the deal; Pietrangelo, Josi, Trouba, Duchene, and maybe to a lesser extent Hayes will all be looking signing max term contracts.
Financially this off the charts. Not to mention the massive culture shift that it would result in by essentially replacing half the starting lineup with players who don’t come from the organization.
You're right. It's been a long week w/o much sleep. Thanks for the correction. Though I think Hayes & especially Stralman aren't max contract types. Maybe 4-5 for Hayes, 2-3 for Stralman..anymore term & it wouldn't be worth it.