HF Habs: 2019 Montreal Canadiens Training Camp Part 3: The Final Countdown

[Mackiaveli]

Danault is a defensive specialist and should be used as such. thats it.

To play devil's advocate; having Danault on that line allows Gallagher and Tatar to play a forecheck heavy, offensive focused game because they know that Danault is a reliable two-way guy who can clean up any mistakes they make. Gallagher is enabled to be fearless by being able to trust the people he plays with; just as much as he enables everyone else.

 

[Rapala]

That's the difference between NHL and AHL. AHL is the place to make experiments and learn. Not NHL. CJ is everyday in a MUST WIN mode. No time to lose teaching.

You joking right.
First of all players are always learning. Secondly CJ doesn't have to teach that is what Richardson is there for. But hey let's pretend the game of hockey hasn't doesn't and won't evolve why don't we.
But I do agree with the dinosaur statement.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Danault plays 2nd line minutes for the most part because no one on the Habs plays the kind of first line minutes other teams are set up for.

Domi is our top offensive C, and Danault is our 2C that hopefully one day will be our elite 3C.

There is no problem with his usage other than he seems to help our PP and he got little time on it last year.

plays with best wingers, plays 1st unit PK, plays PP now... sounds like a #1C to me...

 

[Captain Mountain]

Ok but they also hog the majority of pp and pk time how is that good for the kids development when they dont get any practice at playing those situations?

Kotkaniemi was Montreal's 5th most used forward on the PP last season. Danault was 11th (exceeded by Armia and Hudon). Domi was Montreal's leading scorer.

Kotkaniemi not playing the PK is because he needs to work on his face-offs. That's why Julien was playing Chaput and Thompson there.

 

[26Mats]

I don't think so... for the deadlines.
Last year the last waivers opportunity was on October 1st and the season started on October 3rd.
This year the seasons start on October 2, so the last waivers opportunity should have been today (Sep 30).

If that information is correct, it has to be one of the following who are going to Laval:

Suzuki,
Poehling,
Kotakaniemi,
Fleury,
or Mete

 

[Phil Parent]

Poehling, for now, missed a week of camp, let him dominate down there.

 

[26Mats]

I don't think so... for the deadlines.
Last year the last waivers opportunity was on October 1st and the season started on October 3rd.
This year the seasons start on October 2, so the last waivers opportunity should have been today (Sep 30).

Also though, in theory, if MB and CJ want extra time to make a decision, couldn't they assign say Poehling to Laval for now to meet the deadline, then waive Cousins. Then he would clear by say Wednesday or Thrusday afternoon - at which point Poehling could be recalled in time for Thursday's game...

 

[Habs Icing]

Danault is a defensive specialist and should be used as such. thats it.

Sorry, man, but I think it's time for new eyeglass prescription. Danault is an excellent two-way center.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Sorry, man, but I think it's time for new eyeglass prescription. Danault is an excellent two-way center.

My eyes are not as sharp as when I was younger but I think I saw Danault get about 50 points last year on ES, with one of the higher ES ppg among centers in the league.

During the preseason games I think I also saw some points scored and chances created.

 

[gillyguzzler]

I'm not crazy about having Danault on the PP but I really like that he wins faceoffs. Last year, they'd waste 30 seconds at the start of every PP losing the draw and then trying to regain the zone.

 

[gillyguzzler]

I would like a real scoring threat on the right side though... Not Jordan Weal.

 

[habsfan891]

I'm guessing the last part of last season never happened for you?

Apparently it doesnt count for drouin so why does it count for kk

 

[habsfan891]

Young players should get prepared for PP and P situations the same way they do in all other teams: by practicing first and then getting small tastes in games, and then if they do well, they get more, etc. Playing on the PP in Laval isn't going to make Alex Belzile an NHL PP player and it won't do it for Ryan Poehling either. Poehling has to play with and against NHLers to get to the next level.

On that we most definitely agree the Ahl is a waste for poehling

 

[ECWHSWI]

My eyes are not as sharp as when I was younger but I think I saw Danault get about 50 points last year on ES, with one of the higher ES ppg among centers in the league.

During the preseason games I think I also saw some points scored and chances created.

Danault is an elite C.

on the same level as McKinnon, Bergeron, Draisatl, Point, and some others.

 

[Rapala]

plays with best wingers, plays 1st unit PK, plays PP now... sounds like a #1C to me...

He was definitely our 1C once CJ determined we might have a shot at the post season. It's clearly reflected in the game logs and TOI in those last 25 games. It also strangely enough happens to be when that line cooled down and weren't quite the world beaters we keep hearing they were.

 

[Rockomax]

Is there a status called "waiver non-roster"?

I must be missing something

 

[Habs Icing]

Apparently it doesnt count for drouin so why does it count for kk

Sending Drouin down is counterproductive for two reasons: he's not waiver exempt and he won't learn anything. Sending KK down will help him work on whatever aspects of his game are ailing him.

 

[habsfan891]

Sending Drouin down is counterproductive for two reasons: he's not waiver exempt and he won't learn anything. Sending KK down will help him work on whatever aspects of his game are ailing him.

If drouin wont learn anything we need to trade him now while he still has a semblance of value then because he has a lot left he should learn.

 

[ECWHSWI]

He was definitely our 1C once CJ determined we might have a shot at the post season. It's clearly reflected in the game logs and TOI in those last 25 games. It also strangely enough happens to be when that line cooled down and weren't quite the world beaters we keep hearing they were.

it's quite comical, they all repeat the same stuff,wich is Danault being one of the best C in the league 5 on 5, yet when you tell them Danault is - ELITE - not a word from them...

 

[BaseballCoach]

Danault is an elite C.

on the same level as McKinnon, Bergeron, Draisatl, Point, and some others.

Most of the guys you just mentioned have better wingers than Danault, maybe all of them.

But still I never said Danault is an elite offensive C, I said he would be an elite 3C and currently produces like a solid 2C.

 

[Mrb1p]

Danault plays 2nd line minutes for the most part because no one on the Habs plays the kind of first line minutes other teams are set up for.

Domi is our top offensive C, and Danault is our 2C that hopefully one day will be our elite 3C.

There is no problem with his usage other than he seems to help our PP and he got little time on it last year.

Most minutes, best wingers.

Nah, hes not.

Please indicate what false information I posted. Because you're extrapolating an argument I didn't make here and I really have no interest of debating with you if you're going to read into what I say more than I mean.

While you're not entirely wrong, Its worth pointing out that even isolating for impact, Danault's offensive results were still REALLY strong last year. There's really no need to **** on players with not much basis to prop up other players. If Kotkaniemi shows enough to deserve to play top line minutes, he'll get a chance. But he still needs to work on his face-off percentage and his strength to usurp Danault's role (at ES, the PP and PK).

And BTW, over the last 3 seasons Danault's closest center ES comparables are Ryan Johansen and Anze Kopitar. He's better than you think. Especially since he hasn't really had a real shot at PP time yet.

I dont care about other players, I only care about the results.

In a nutshell, Danaults offensive results were good, sure. On the ice though, you just sees hes limping. Hes limping in the same way Desharnais was limping.

To play devil's advocate; having Danault on that line allows Gallagher and Tatar to play a forecheck heavy, offensive focused game because they know that Danault is a reliable two-way guy who can clean up any mistakes they make. Gallagher is enabled to be fearless by being able to trust the people he plays with; just as much as he enables everyone else.

Not sure thats actually true though. Its not what I see on the ice.

 

[Rapala]

Sending Drouin down is counterproductive for two reasons: he's not waiver exempt and he won't learn anything. Sending KK down will help him work on whatever aspects of his game are ailing him.

like this?

 

[BaseballCoach]

In a nutshell, Danaults offensive results were good, sure. On the ice though, you just sees hes limping. Hes limping in the same way Desharnais was limping.

Completely different. Danault and Desharnais have nothing in common. Danault was a first-round pick, Deshanais undrafted. Danault can be relied upon to play against other team's top lines, DD could not.

DD got a ton of PP time, Danault does not.

Let's put it another way: If Desharnais was as reliable defensively as Danault is, then no one would have bitched about how he was being sheltered.

Except when I say "no one", I don't include those who notice the one and only thing Danault and Desharnais have in common.

 

[Mrb1p]

Sorry, man, but I think it's time for new eyeglass prescription. Danault is an excellent two-way center.

No hes not. An excellent two-way player plays like Crosby, Datsyuk or Kopitar.

Danault is excellent at nothing but faceoffs.

 

[MXD]

He was definitely our 1C once CJ determined we might have a shot at the post season. It's clearly reflected in the game logs and TOI in those last 25 games. It also strangely enough happens to be when that line cooled down and weren't quite the world beaters we keep hearing they were.

Danault had 12 points in the last 20 games... I mean... That's litterally in the margin of error.
(Their play did tail off a bit, and I think myself that Danault might be better off playing 17 minutes as opposed to 19)