2019 Entry Draft Thread Part IX

[Habs Halifax]

If you consider Lavoie you have to consider Kaliyev before him.

I would agree. Kaliyev is almost 1 year younger and has improved from last season to this season. Both have great shots but I think I take the younger guy

 

[phillytennis]

We be very lucky if Broberg is available at #15

If we could land either Newhook, Caufield or Broberg.... I would be happy.

 

[Habs Halifax]

By power forward I mean a big guy that can crash the net not necessarily a guy that will hit because I know Lavoie is not mean

The thing with Lavoie is he is very tough and can be mean but this is not how he plays. I have no doubt in my mind that whoever drafts him ask him to work at his power forward game. He is not the best skater so he needs every advantage he can get at creating time and space for himself once he plays against men.

He lives on his NHL shot and his play making is solid. Rest of his game needs a lot of work if he is going to turn into a top 6F in the NHL.

If we could land either Newhook, Caufield or Broberg.... I would be happy.

I think the probability one of them is still on the board at 15th. Question is who is Timmins and his scouts going to target. I think they go after skating/skill combo. They clearly made this a focus in last years draft.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'm now a Newhook believer. He's pass the U18 eye test and I think he has moved to #1 on my target list ahead of Dorofeyev.

At this stage, I doubt Newhook slips to us at 15th.

 

[Jabba11]

Heinola is very underwhelming. I know he's good, but wished he would show more. Turnover over turnover.

 

[jaffy27]

The thing with Lavoie is he is very tough and can be mean but this is not how he plays. I have no doubt in my mind that whoever drafts him ask him to work at his power forward game. He is not the best skater so he needs every advantage he can get at creating time and space for himself once he plays against men.

He lives on his NHL shot and his play making is solid. Rest of his game needs a lot of work if he is going to turn into a top 6F in the NHL.

Sounds a lot like Tenderness....was big but was as mean as a tadpole

Heinola is very underwhelming. I know he's good, but wished he would show more. Turnover over turnover.

Against the Yanks he looks bad

 

[The Great Weal]

I seriously doubt Newhook falls to 15. Definitely wouldn't complain if it happened though.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I think those top 11 forwards are all going to be gone. Just a matter of whether you take the next forward or take the top LD on your board.

I think Podkolzin could be the forward that falls to our pick if any though, he's been very quiet this tourney, and of course the Russian factor comes into play.

 

[phillytennis]

Heinola is very underwhelming. I know he's good, but wished he would show more. Turnover over turnover.

I am no longer interested in Heinola...his skating is average... hockey IQ is okay.... I say, let some other team pick him.

 

[Vachon23]

I am no longer interested in Heinola...his skating is average... hockey IQ is okay.... I say, let some other team pick him.

Because of 1 bad game ?

 

[Jabba11]

I think those top 11 forwards are all going to be gone. Just a matter of whether you take the next forward or take the top LD on your board.

I think Podkolzin could be the forward that falls to our pick if any though, he's been very quiet this tourney, and of course the Russian factor comes into play.

If Podkolzin falls to 15, you pick him and you run out of the building.

Anybody remember how Tarasenko was ranked prior to his draft? Was he ever considered top 3-5 but actually fell to 16.

I know KHL threat was peaking back then..

 

[Mrb1p]

I am no longer interested in Heinola...his skating is average... hockey IQ is okay.... I say, let some other team pick him.

Thats stupid scouting

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Against the Yanks he looks bad

He's looked terrible at the u18s in general, especially defensively.

 

[phillytennis]

If we could land either Newhook, Caufield or Broberg.... I would be happy.

I would add Rees.... fourth choice after those three....

Because of 1 bad game ?

Vachon....he has been pretty underwhelming throughout the tournament....great players are able to raise their level of play in crunch time.

 

[jaffy27]

He's looked terrible at the u18s in general, especially defensively.

@Mrb1p sold me on a player that outright sucked this tournament......

But it is 1 tournament.....I’m guessing this hurts his stock a little

 

[Vachon23]

Vachon....he has been pretty underwhelming throughout the tournament....great players are able to raise their level of play in crunch time.

He’s not my favourite either but you can’t don’t one a guy because of one bad 1 week tournament

 

[Andrei79]

Let's put Heinolas tourney in perspective.

He played all year against men (historically well actually) and in the U20s before his injury.

Players go through dips in performances, its a normal process and his just happens to be at a time with more viewership.

 

[phillytennis]

Thats stupid scouting

Heinola.... doesn't stand out....he is closer to being another Olli Matta or Joelivi...at 15, there will be better choices available....
I am think your love of Russian players is stupid... Dorofeyev or Podolzin... I would prefer Jamison Rees over Podolzin.... Podolzin is no Tarasenko, no Malkin....closer to Grigorenko....
who barely lasted in the NHL.

Let's put Heinolas tourney in perspective.

He played all year against men (historically well actually) and in the U20s before his injury.

If he played with men in Finland, he should be dominant playing with guys his own age....which he isn't.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

@Mrb1p sold me on a player that outright sucked this tournament......

But it is 1 tournament.....I’m guessing this hurts his stock a little

It's weird, but he was excellent at the WJC for the Gold winning Fins. One of their top Ds. And, he did that as a 17 year old in a 19 year old tournament.

 

[Andrei79]

If he played with men in Finland, he should be dominant playing with guys his own age....which he isn't.

Yes, and Kotkaniemi should have been dominant at the rookie tourney, but he wasnt. Somehow, he made it through the year ok before needing a cleanup in his knee.

This dip should be raising other questions, as it's not what you'd expect. He's young, was injured and played hard minutes in a hard league. Other factors could be at work.

 

[jaffy27]

It's weird, but he was excellent at the WJC for the Gold winning Fins. One of their top Ds. And, he did that as a 17 year old in a 19 year old tournament.

The plot thickens......lol

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Don't really want D 1st round anyway. We need one of the forwards to drop to us.

 

[ginomini]

Thinking about Zegras, I think he might be a bit overrated.

He is a rather similar player to Pelletier. Playmaking complementary winger with no significant holes in his game, but with no real strength either apart from good playmaking.

Swap these two players and I think their production would be very similar either with the USDTP or in the Q.

 

[phillytennis]

Thinking about Zegras, I think he might be a bit overrated.

He is a rather similar player to Pelletier. Playmaking complementary winger with no significant holes in his game, but with no real strength either apart from good playmaking.

Swap these two players and I think their production would be very similar either with the USDTP or in the Q.

Zegras is a very good player....though
playing with elite skilled players like Hughes and Caufield...elevates his overall standing.

 

[G0bias]

I've seen enough of what Heinola can do against polished pros that I'm not too concerned with a short junior tournament.
It's important to put it in perspective with what a player's done throughout an entire season. Tournaments like these are particular circumstances, it'd be misguided to base alot of your perception on them. Pettersson's rubbish play on the international stage was constantly brought up at the time of his draft. The people who did watch him against much better competition in Allsvenskan however, weren't bothered by it for a reason.