2019 Entry Draft Thread: Part IV

[Goldenhands]

Yeah and they needed Francis/Lemieux and Kuznetsov/Backstrom to win.

Like Lemieux and Kuznetsov needed Jagr and Ovechkin to win...

 

[WeThreeKings]

Like Lemieux and Kuznetsov needed Jagr and Ovechkin to win...

They certainly helped but the value of a center is and will always be higher.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Lundell is awesome. He was so good for a D-2 at the U18s last year. Simontaival is also extremely lethal. He doesn't need much of a chance to score.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Lundell is awesome. He was so good for a D-2 at the U18s last year. Simontaival is also extremely lethal. He doesn't need much of a chance to score.

Yeah Lundell is tracking to be an absolute stud.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Yeah Lundell is tracking to be an absolute stud.

That could not be more accurate.
He could challenge for 1st overall next year.

 

[WeThreeKings]

That could not be more accurate.
He could challenge for 1st overall next year.

If we had first, I'd want Lundell but I think I would take Lafreniere. It would be so much more peaceful around here if we had a bonafide superstar from Montreal. Then the rest of the team could just operate as is and no one would bring up any agendas.

Paradise.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Lafreniere, in addition to being French, happens to be incredible.

 

[Goldenhands]

They certainly helped but the value of a center is and will always be higher.

Agree if both have the same talent level, the center will always be more valuable, but as far as the Habs are concerned, we badly need a game breaker on our top 6, if thats a center, wonderful, if thats a winger, thats still quite fine...

 

[WeThreeKings]

Agree if both have the same talent level, the center will always be more valuable, but as far as the Habs are concerned, we badly need a game breaker on our top 6, if thats a center, wonderful, if thats a winger, thats still quite fine...

Oh absolutely, just that if I were choosing a year to tank and I was comparing his list to this year's list. I'd choose this year.

But both years are looking good. Hughes and Dach vs. Lafreniere and Lundell is still great.

 

[Mrb1p]

Oh absolutely, just that if I were choosing a year to tank and I was comparing his list to this year's list. I'd choose this year.

But both years are looking good. Hughes and Dach vs. Lafreniere and Lundell is still great.

I really don't think Dach is close to Lafreniere/Lundell or even Holtz/Raymond by the end of 2020.

 

[Goldenhands]

Oh absolutely, just that if I were choosing a year to tank and I was comparing his list to this year's list. I'd choose this year.

But both years are looking good. Hughes and Dach vs. Lafreniere and Lundell is still great.

I personally have a couple of guys over Dach, one being Cozens...

 

[The Great Weal]

Don't forget about Byfield

 

[G0bias]

All of those are wingers.

Give me a top line C a la Hughes Dach Cozens any day.

Lundell fo sho

 

[Star Ocean]

Lundell is a 2001 while raymond+holtz are 2002. The age difference matters at that age.

 

[G0bias]

I'm rewatching some of Dorofeyev's first few KHL games and a couple MHL. Besides the typical lanky Russian forward skillset, his poise and decision-making with the puck reminds me alot of Kravtsov last year. He's very unpredictable to defend as he's not afraid to mix things up offensively, as opposed to a player like say Shafigullin who likes to take on defenders 1on1 alot.

Physically he's very raw though. He'll need to get stronger to improve his balance and explosiveness out of the gate.

 

[G0bias]

Lundell is a 2001 while raymond+holtz are 2002. The age difference matters at that age.

As a general rule I agree but I don't know if it's as significant for the best of the crop. Lafreniere is also few weeks removed from the 2019 cut-off. Matthews was also older for his class.

In any case Holtz and Lundell are in the same tier for me, I just tend to prefer the center.

 

[Mrb1p]

As a general rule I agree but I don't know if it's as significant for the best of the crop. Lafreniere is also few weeks removed from the 2019 cut-off. Matthews was also older for his class.

In any case Holtz and Lundell are in the same tier for me, I just tend to prefer the center.

If I remember @LastWordArmy has a piece on top talent and their age, conclusion is that it doesnt matter.

Personally, I think its something really case by case where you can see some players are 100% dominating on tools and its not going to translate much and their floor/ceiling.

 

[NotProkofievian]

If I remember @LastWordArmy has a piece on top talent and their age, conclusion is that it doesnt matter.

Personally, I think its something really case by case where you can see some players are 100% dominating on tools and its not going to translate much and their floor/ceiling.

When you're right up against the ceiling of how good a human can be, things like age tend not to matter.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I'm rewatching some of Dorofeyev's first few KHL games and a couple MHL. Besides the typical lanky Russian forward skillset, his poise and decision-making with the puck reminds me alot of Kravtsov last year. He's very unpredictable to defend as he's not afraid to mix things up offensively, as opposed to a player like say Shafigullin who likes to take on defenders 1on1 alot.

Physically he's very raw though. He'll need to get stronger to improve his balance and explosiveness out of the gate.

The thing that sticks out the most to me about Dorofeyev is his coordination. Russians, as a rule, have pretty highly developed skillsets, so you have to separate what is from talent and what is from training. There are a few plays, though, which you can't really train: it's just him improvising on the fly to come up with something quite brilliant. He also makes things look very simple, almost like the opponents are letting him score (at the MHL level). This reminds me of Svechnikov.

 

[Star Ocean]

If I remember @LastWordArmy has a piece on top talent and their age, conclusion is that it doesnt matter.

Personally, I think its something really case by case where you can see some players are 100% dominating on tools and its not going to translate much and their floor/ceiling.

The same forum that made a big deal that kotekami is 2 months younger than dahlin.

 

[NotProkofievian]

The same forum that made a big deal that kotekami is 2 months younger than dahlin.

Lol, who did?

 

[LastWordArmy]

If I remember @LastWordArmy has a piece on top talent and their age, conclusion is that it doesnt matter.

Personally, I think its something really case by case where you can see some players are 100% dominating on tools and its not going to translate much and their floor/ceiling.

It wasnt our piece but i remember posting it here.

Basically the conclusion was age (birthdate) doesnt matter in top 10 talent but later in the draft it matters a lot.

 

[NotProkofievian]

@Stive Morgan
@covfefe

Brayden Tracey, Reece Newkirk, Adam Beckman. Rank 'em.

 

[Stive Morgan]

@Stive Morgan
@covfefe

Brayden Tracey, Reece Newkirk, Adam Beckman. Rank 'em.

Tracey
Newkirk
Beckman

Tracey a nudge above the other two.

 

[Mrb1p]

@Stive Morgan
@covfefe

Brayden Tracey, Reece Newkirk, Adam Beckman. Rank 'em.

Ive watched a game to see Tracey since Stive told me he was good. Kid sure has scoring instincts. He can also wheel it and his hands are good. Not sure there's much play making from him, though his assist number is pretty high, so there has to be something there.

I've seen him score from everywhere below the circles but not from further away, not sure there's much power behind his shot, but he's also one of the thinnest kids Ive seen, so that may be it. Great release though.