Prospect Info: 2019 Draft Talk (Part Deux)

[Shaman464]

It really just depends how the draft goes. It’s all about maximizing value. I couldn’t be mad at taking Nick Robertson, he has all the qualities of your typical 2nd round steal.

I also didn’t realize how bad of a team Cajkovic plays on. Kid has been great in international tournaments and has a really nice skill set.

As long as we go C or D with our first pick, I am open to different options with our next pick. And we will have quite a few at our disposal.

For me it comes down to the fact they need more bites at the apple to get good players in the system. An great to elite winger isn't worth what a good go great defender is. And if Detroit has too many defenders/centers, its easier to trade those for winger than vice-versa. That's at least my reasoning.

 

[BeersHockey]

High end centre followed by 3 high skill dmen followed by centres and a couple goalies.

Rinse repeat next few years

We should be looking at Cameron Rowe from NTDP. Flying under the radar a bit because all eyes on Spencer Knight, but Rowe is the real deal.

 

[Frk It]

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

We should be looking at Cameron Rowe from NTDP. Flying under the radar a bit because all eyes on Spencer Knight, but Rowe is the real deal.

He's good. Wouldn't take him above the 3rd.

 

[BeersHockey]

He's good. Wouldn't take him above the 3rd.

Me either - I wouldn't take really any goalie in any draft before the 3rd. Too many variables on goalie development.

 

[DInTheB]

I’m becoming all in on Zegras after the top two. His pace and playmaking are both excellent. His floor is lower than a guy like Dach, but his ceiling is higher.

 

[RedWingzz]

Watching that atrocious game last night made me change my mind for the draft, I am all in for Bowen Byram, unless of course we pick 1 or 2. I am usually an advocate for BPA over team needs, but I don't know how we are going to drastically improve our D if we don't start drafting them with high picks. The D coverage this year, but especially last night, was downright embarrassing.

I know this won't be the popular decision, but I think I would take Byram at 3rd overall if we pick there. Cholo and Hronek are good young D, and McIsaac looks like a nice pick in the 2nd round last year but we need more to compliment them. Until we get some better D in the system, and eventually on the team, the team is going nowhere. With the amount of garbage veterans signed for 3+ years, I hate to say it, but we are much further away from competing than I had previously thought. We are going to be a bottom feeder for at least 3 more years, it is going to be painful. Our D is by far the worst in the NHL, and yes I m including Ottawa.

I take Byram in the first round, then I also take 2 more defencemen with the SJS and NYI 2nd rounders. Grab a center with ours.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Watching that atrocious game last night made me change my mind for the draft, I am all in for Bowen Byram, unless of course we pick 1 or 2. I am usually an advocate for BPA over team needs, but I don't know how we are going to drastically improve our D if we don't start drafting them with high picks. The D coverage this year, but especially last night, was downright embarrassing.

I know this won't be the popular decision, but I think I would take Byram at 3rd overall if we pick there. Cholo and Hronek are good young D, and McIsaac looks like a nice pick in the 2nd round last year but we need more to compliment them. Until we get some better D in the system, and eventually on the team, the team is going nowhere. With the amount of garbage veterans signed for 3+ years, I hate to say it, but we are much further away from competing than I had previously thought. We are going to be a bottom feeder for at least 3 more years, it is going to be painful. Our D is by far the worst in the NHL, and yes I m including Ottawa.

I take Byram in the first round, then I also take 2 more defencemen with the SJS and NYI 2nd rounders. Grab a center with ours.

If you are serious about taking Byram and you are picking #3, trade back. There are honestly at a minimum 5 forwards that should unquestionably be taken before Byram based on BPA approach. Hughes, Kakko, Cozens, Podkolzin, Dach, Turcotte, Zegras all currently have higher draft stock than Byram, in my opinion. I'm taking the chance and trading back to #5/6 and picking up like an additional second round pick and hoping the teams who would be in front of me are hell bent on selecting from that forward group. If for some reason they do select Byram, I am safely assuming that I am getting a forward that I have graded out as a better prospect, even if the position is not as high of a need.

Just my two cents.

 

[RedWingzz]

If you are serious about taking Byram and you are picking #3, trade back. There are honestly at a minimum 5 forwards that should unquestionably be taken before Byram based on BPA approach. Hughes, Kakko, Cozens, Podkolzin, Dach, Turcotte, Zegras all currently have higher draft stock than Byram, in my opinion. I'm taking the chance and trading back to #5/6 and picking up like an additional second round pick and hoping the teams who would be in front of me are hell bent on selecting from that forward group. If for some reason they do select Byram, I am safely assuming that I am getting a forward that I have graded out as a better prospect, even if the position is not as high of a need.

Just my two cents.

I just threw out 3rd overall as a random number. Even if we finish 2nd last (we aren't finishing behind Ottawa), statistically speaking our best odds are to pick 4th (33.3% chance) or 5th (27.9% chance). Based on this, I don't think it's that much of a reach to take Byram at 4 or 5. Sure you work the phones, and see if someone picking 1 or 2 spots behind you want to swap picks, and you try to add a bonus 2nd rounder or something, but ultimately I don't think taking Byram at 4 or 5 is a "mistake".

We took 2 high end forwards last year (I know Veleno was at 30, but he has top 10-15 value), time to add some D to the mix. Just imagine, 2022 D looking like:

Byram-Hronek
Cholowski-McIsaac
2019 2nd rounder- Lindstrom

Add in a high end free agent at some point over the next 3 or 4 years,

Byram-Free Agent
Cholowski-Hronek
McIsaac-Lindstrom.

I'm just sick of Ericsson and Daley and Dekeyser and Green and Kronwall...

 

[lilidk]

I wonder if Turcotte can become Larkin 2.0

 

[Hen Kolland]

I just threw out 3rd overall as a random number. Even if we finish 2nd last (we aren't finishing behind Ottawa), statistically speaking our best odds are to pick 4th (33.3% chance) or 5th (27.9% chance). Based on this, I don't think it's that much of a reach to take Byram at 4 or 5. Sure you work the phones, and see if someone picking 1 or 2 spots behind you want to swap picks, and you try to add a bonus 2nd rounder or something, but ultimately I don't think taking Byram at 4 or 5 is a "mistake".

Hard to characterize anything in the top 10 a mistake. I am, and always have been about maximizing value of the situation I am in. I tend to go BPA. Hypothetically if the Wings grade out Byram as the #7 best talent on the board, I would try trading down to #7. Knowing that if the draft plays out by my board, I am getting the BPA, and if for some reason it goes off the tracks, I will have a player that I think is even better than my #7 falling into my lap. AND I will have added an additional asset.

But I can understand that at #4-5 you would prefer to hedge your bets and take Byram when you know you will be able to get him. To me Byram has a game that is really difficult to project as a high, high end #1, but I could easily see him being a top pairing defenseman by committee (relying on a quality defensive partner). He's somebody I would be happy to have, but I am not going to overextend myself to get him into the organization. If last night proved anything, it's that talent is needed EVERYWHERE, and that's a big reason why I am still leaning toward the centers that this draft has to offer. We have about 4 quality scoring forwards on the team right now, and most competitive teams are rolling out 3 or 4 lines capable of putting the puck in the net.

 

[RedWingzz]

Hard to characterize anything in the top 10 a mistake. I am, and always have been about maximizing value of the situation I am in. I tend to go BPA. Hypothetically if the Wings grade out Byram as the #7 best talent on the board, I would try trading down to #7. Knowing that if the draft plays out by my board, I am getting the BPA, and if for some reason it goes off the tracks, I will have a player that I think is even better than my #7 falling into my lap. AND I will have added an additional asset.

But I can understand that at #4-5 you would prefer to hedge your bets and take Byram when you know you will be able to get him. To me Byram has a game that is really difficult to project as a high, high end #1, but I could easily see him being a top pairing defenseman by committee (relying on a quality defensive partner). He's somebody I would be happy to have, but I am not going to overextend myself to get him into the organization. If last night proved anything, it's that talent is needed EVERYWHERE, and that's a big reason why I am still leaning toward the centers that this draft has to offer. We have about 4 quality scoring forwards on the team right now, and most competitive teams are rolling out 3 or 4 lines capable of putting the puck in the net.

Yeah you can never go wrong with a high end center. Larkin is already a 1C though, and I personally project Veleno as a 2C and Ras as a 3C. I don't see anyone on our team as a #1 D, and maybe Byram isn't even this, but I don't really know how else to get #1 D, other than by drafting them. I think Hronek has the talent to be a#2, offensive specialist, and Cholo/McIssac should be top 4 D. I like Lindstrom as a depth guy, but I just think we need more on D right now than we do down the middle. Larkin is a first line player, Zadina has the talent to become one, and Mantha with consistency could be a 1st line Winger. We have some good D in the system, but nothing spectacular. I think adding a Byram over a Cozens makes more sense for our team.

Of course if you have the chance at Hughes or Kakko, you don't hesitate though.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Yeah you can never go wrong with a high end center. Larkin is already a 1C though, and I personally project Veleno as a 2C and Ras as a 3C. I don't see anyone on our team as a #1 D, and maybe Byram isn't even this, but I don't really know how else to get #1 D, other than by drafting them. I think Hronek has the talent to be a#2, offensive specialist, and Cholo/McIssac should be top 4 D. I like Lindstrom as a depth guy, but I just think we need more on D right now than we do down the middle. Larkin is a first line player, Zadina has the talent to become one, and Mantha with consistency could be a 1st line Winger. We have some good D in the system, but nothing spectacular. I think adding a Byram over a Cozens makes more sense for our team.

Of course if you have the chance at Hughes or Kakko, you don't hesitate though.

I'm all aboard the Veleno hype train; it is the anti-Red Wings draft steal. In the past we used to draft European players late in the draft that were heavily under-scouted and borderline unknown; now it's drafting the exceptional status player who was heavily over-scouted and scrutinized that led to a first round tumble. The evolution of Red Wings scouting, it's a storybook ending.

Ras I just have a hard time ever seeing becoming a center period. I think he might have center qualities, but his game seems better suited on the wing. I can't think of a lot of power forward centers that excel more with the puck off their stick than on their stick. To me he might be a middle 6 winger on a scoring line, which is perfectly fine as long as he develops into a more consistent goal scoring threat.

Either way, I'm not going to lose my mind over this year's prospects. The only player I truly wanted zero part of last year was Tkachuk. He's a decent year as a rookie, but I just didn't see the need to add a player with his skill set to what we already have. I'm pretty open-minded about this class because a lot of what is on the table is high end skill, and we are still missing that in bunches.

 

[PelagicJoe]

We have four 2nds this year, right? Ours, VGK, NYI, and SJ?

 

[Hen Kolland]

We have four 2nds this year, right? Ours, VGK, NYI, and SJ?

VGK traded us the NYI second. We don't own VGK's second.

Only three for this year. Two, possibly three, next year.

 

[datsyukfan]

We have four 2nds this year, right? Ours, VGK, NYI, and SJ?

Nope 3. We don't have Vegas 2nd thats the Isles second from the Tatar trade

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Me either - I wouldn't take really any goalie in any draft before the 3rd. Too many variables on goalie development.

I think this is a solid class of goalies. I could see a run on them in the 2nd given the lack of other depth in this class. I was hoping Hunter Jones would make it to the third.

 

[Marky9er]

There are honestly at a minimum 5 forwards that should unquestionably be taken before Byram based on BPA approach. Hughes, Kakko, Cozens, Podkolzin, Dach, Turcotte, Zegras all currently have higher draft stock than Byram, in my opinion.

Just my two cents.

I don't know. I was thinking that way a while back, but Cozens has only 6 more goals than Byram, Dach only 1 more. Kind of unimpressive. I like Cozens a fair bit and would put him 3rd, but I don't really think there's much separation with those guys. I'm all for taking Byram if we pick 4 on. I'd even entertain the idea of trading the pick as you suggest. You never know who might be available 'only due to a looming expansion draft'!

 

[Hen Kolland]

I don't know. I was thinking that way a while back, but Cozens has only 6 more goals than Byram, Dach only 1 more. Kind of unimpressive. I like Cozens a fair bit and would put him 3rd, but I don't really think there's much separation with those guys. I'm all for taking Byram if we pick 4 on. I'd even entertain the idea of trading the pick as you suggest. You never know who might be available 'only due to a looming expansion draft'!

Don't get me wrong, Cozens and Dach aren't my first choice. I like Turcotte a lot right now. Cozens would probably be #4. Then I get into a big mess starting at 5.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

If anyone gets annoyed with my draft board posting, let me know.

1st: Turcotte
2nd: Hoglander
2nd: Hugo Has
2nd: Thrun
3rd: Keppen
4th: Konovalov
5th: J. Bergeron
5th: Nodler
6th: Bertuzzi
7th: Basse

 

[TheMule93]

Watching that atrocious game last night made me change my mind for the draft, I am all in for Bowen Byram, unless of course we pick 1 or 2. I am usually an advocate for BPA over team needs, but I don't know how we are going to drastically improve our D if we don't start drafting them with high picks. The D coverage this year, but especially last night, was downright embarrassing.

I know this won't be the popular decision, but I think I would take Byram at 3rd overall if we pick there. Cholo and Hronek are good young D, and McIsaac looks like a nice pick in the 2nd round last year but we need more to compliment them. Until we get some better D in the system, and eventually on the team, the team is going nowhere. With the amount of garbage veterans signed for 3+ years, I hate to say it, but we are much further away from competing than I had previously thought. We are going to be a bottom feeder for at least 3 more years, it is going to be painful. Our D is by far the worst in the NHL, and yes I m including Ottawa.

I take Byram in the first round, then I also take 2 more defencemen with the SJS and NYI 2nd rounders. Grab a center with ours.

wow one game and you overreact like this? We've been competitive all season. Most one goal games in the league.

 

[TheMule93]

byram is definitely my #3 behind Hughes and Kakko at this point

 

[SuperScript29]

I wonder if Turcotte can become Larkin 2.0

The more I watch of him, the more I love what he brings to the table, he kind of reminds me of Zetterberg in a way, very smart, highly skilled, versatile, and plays an excellent two-way game. If they don't get Hughes or Kakko, I would not be upset if they draft Turcotte.

 

[DetroitRed]

My current list:

• Hughes before Kakko.

• As for Podkolzin, I love him in the top 10 just as long as Detroit doesn't pick him.

• If the Wings pick 3rd or 4th, I like the WHL guys, Cozens and Byram.

• If we're picking 5th or 6th, then I'm very interested in the US U18 guys, Boldy, Zegras and Turcotte along with Dach also from the WHL.

 

[RedWingzz]

wow one game and you overreact like this? We've been competitive all season. Most one goal games in the league.

One game? We're almost in last place in the NHL. Our team defence is atrocious. Let's not kid ourselves here, Howard was playing out of his mind at the start of the year, which is the reason we didn't see more disasters like last game. Howard is finally coming back to life, and we are getting embarrassed.

There is no argument you cn make which would change my mind about our team defence. They aren't mobile enough. They aren't creative enough. They aren't smart enough. They aren't good enough defensively. They are brutal. We easily have the worst D in the NHL. It needs to be addressed.