Speculation: 2019-2020 Sharks Roster Discussion, part deux

[Gecklund]

I read that we can actually trade Martin's buyout money somewhere? Wonder what kind of assets it would cost to do that? Heck, I would love to trade that and Dell somewhere for our 2nd round pick next year. Would clear up 3.3M in cap space and after Korenar would only use 723K of that. So we would still have close to 2.6M free.

I don’t think you can trade Martin’s buyout.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I don’t think you can trade Martin’s buyout.

Ahh. I thought I read somewhere that we could. Was not sure myself.

 

[Gecklund]

Ahh. I thought I read somewhere that we could. Was not sure myself.

Yeah I’m not 100% either but I don’t think you can. I feel like it wouldn’t make sense.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Yeah I’m not 100% either but I don’t think you can. I feel like it wouldn’t make sense.

Well if you can trade contracts for players who are retired and/or on LTIR, I don't see why not. But no idea.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Please no Perry or Phaneuf. I am enjoying the youth movement on the team, I’d rather not become the, “hey but remember when all of these players were good?”ose Sharks.

I’m fine with Marleau on a VERY low contract, playing on the third or fourth line... I guess. But I’m concerned that PDB will bump him at the first sign of a rookie faltering and we’ll have Marleau on the first line at the end of the season.

DeBoer was moving Marleau to the 3rd line during the Finals run. I don't think the concern that DeBoer will play him above his capabilities is warranted. It just depends on what else we have up front. It seems to me, we will have Kane, Hertl, Couture, Meier, Labanc, Sorensen, Goodrow, Radil, and probably Karlsson, Thornton, and Marleau. Then maybe Gambrell and one other spot whether that's internal or a signing like Pavelski or Nyquist or Donskoi.

I can see this team trying to move Labanc into the top six next year which I think he will fail at and using Gambrell to replace him on the 3rd line with Marleau and Thornton. If Labanc is failing, putting him back with Thornton and having Marleau with Couture and Meier wouldn't be the worst utilization of talents.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Well if you can trade contracts for players who are retired and/or on LTIR, I don't see why not. But no idea.

You can't trade buyout money. You can trade people on LTIR because they're active contracts. You can't trade retired players.

 

[DrFeelgood]

Being able to trade buyout cap hits would lead to some easy cap circumvention, i'm glad it's there as a deterrent to giving insane contracts

 

[Saskatoon]

Im genuinely concerned with how we will fill out our depth. 81.5m cap sure is a giant poop in my bowl of Karlsson cereal

Burns 35 mins/game
Karlsson 30 mins/game
Vlasic 30 mins/game
Dillion 20 mins/game
#5 D 10 mins/game
#6 D 5 mins/game


Who needs depth

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Burns 35 mins/game
Karlsson 30 mins/game
Vlasic 30 mins/game
Dillion 20 mins/game
#5 D 10 mins/game
#6 D 5 mins/game


Who needs depth

LOL.

It's funny cos its true ..

 

[Lebanezer]

Burns 35 mins/game
Karlsson 30 mins/game
Vlasic 30 mins/game
Dillion 20 mins/game
#5 D 10 mins/game
#6 D 5 mins/game


Who needs depth

Sharks are bucking all the trends by playing 3 D for at least 10 minutes of every game.

 

[Barrie22]

Burns 35 mins/game
Karlsson 30 mins/game
Vlasic 30 mins/game
Dillion 20 mins/game
#5 D 10 mins/game
#6 D 5 mins/game


Who needs depth

What is different then last year?

The break down last year was.

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[Fistfullofbeer]

The more I think about it, the more I feel that our best chance of making a run this year is basically roll the die with the Cuda guys and hope that one of Chmeleveski or Chekhovich lights it up in the top-9 and one of Gambrell or True have a really impactful year on the 4th line.

Trade Dillon and use whatever cap space is left after signing Meier and Labanc to get another top-9 (or top-6 if affordable) forward to play with Meier-Hertl. The D is the bigger question mark in my opinion because we would be going in with 2 experienced NHL D-men in the bottom-3 who are question marks. Simek because of his injury and Ryan because of his confidence. The remaining spot is to be decided by DeSimone, Ferraro or Middleton.

With the cap issues for us, a lot of our success this season is going to be dependent on how the Cuda guys play. Last year I felt like we lost because of a combination of injuries and lack of production from the 4th line. That production needs to come from the Cuda players. Just hoping PDB does not shit the bed again and decide to use 'tough' guys in those roles.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

One thing I find really interesting regarding the minute distribution for defensemen is that St. Louis basically used a top-3 and a bottom-3 for the playoffs. And their #3 guy sucked.

Pietrangelo: 25:45
Parayko: 25:07
Bouwmeester: 23:30
Edmundson: 16:32
Dunn: 15:10
Gunnarsson: 14:57
Bortuzzo: 12:19

 

[themelkman]

Any news on QO's?

 

[WSS11]

One thing I find really interesting regarding the minute distribution for defensemen is that St. Louis basically used a top-3 and a bottom-3 for the playoffs. And their #3 guy sucked.

Pietrangelo: 25:45
Parayko: 25:07
Bouwmeester: 23:30
Edmundson: 16:32
Dunn: 15:10
Gunnarsson: 14:57
Bortuzzo: 12:19

Far more balanced than Deboer’s usage though. Did Dunn’s injury bring down his average or is that just in the games he played in?

 

[Barrie22]

Far more balanced than Deboer’s usage though. Did Dunn’s injury bring down his average or is that just in the games he played in?

How is it far more balanced then deboers?

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[ISharkted]

I have faith in Heed and Ryan contributing to a solid 7 deep D when you factor in the return of Simek, assuming Heed and Ryan both return.

My greater concern is the forward group. Would the thought be that JT has another year of 2nd line center in him? As someone else mentioned earlier, I think Banc would be a stellar third scoring line forward given his defensive limitations. If Banc and JT are relegated to the third line, albeit a strong third scoring line, our top 6 forwards are Couture, Kane, Hertl, Meier, “X”, and “Y”. Who are our centers here who can win face offs consistently of the currently available mix?

 

[Timos Death Stare]

Just spit ballin but if the Sharks are looking for a big defenseman with some snarl who can pk then why not Deryk Engleland? (And I’m sure I butchered his name).

His contract history is right in line with what we need to spend and Vegas likely can not afford to resign him.

 

[KirbyDots]

Just spit ballin but if the Sharks are looking for a big defenseman with some snarl who can pk then why not Deryk Engleland? (And I’m sure I butchered his name).

His contract history is right in line with what we need to spend and Vegas likely can not afford to resign him.

Been discussed, he's pretty much done now.

 

[boylerroom]

Looking at the cap numbers and roster a little closer I'm confused by the Sorensen contract. He seems totally replaceable for what he provides with an AHL call up. And I think Melker Karlsson doesn't seem to fit anymore either. That's a 3.5 M right there, not including replacement. But if the rumors are true that the Sharks are gonna bring back Marleau at league min then it seems like we have too many forwards. Cause honestly I really think we NEED Pavs back to win. He is far more valuable than he is given credit for. Other than Timo Meier I want Pavs back.

 

[Negatively Positive]

I wonder if Meier is asking for a similar contract to Hertl. Remember the Sharks gave him 5.6 mill per before he had a career year this year. He got 5.6 mill with career highs of 22 goals and 46 pts. Timo could feel he deserves at least that if not more. That's why when people were rooting for Timo to hit 30 goals I was a bit hesitant because I knew the cap was going to be tight and him hitting the 30 goal mark would make things harder.

 

[KirbyDots]

I'm wondering if part of the hold up is DW is trying to see if he can get Meier, Labanc, and Pavs to sign contracts with the same term.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Looking at the cap numbers and roster a little closer I'm confused by the Sorensen contract. He seems totally replaceable for what he provides with an AHL call up. And I think Melker Karlsson doesn't seem to fit anymore either. That's a 3.5 M right there, not including replacement. But if the rumors are true that the Sharks are gonna bring back Marleau at league min then it seems like we have too many forwards. Cause honestly I really think we NEED Pavs back to win. He is far more valuable than he is given credit for. Other than Timo Meier I want Pavs back.

I think you are greatly overrating the Cuda players if you think 30 points (Sorensen) is going to replaceable by an AHL callup. I do think Melker is replaceable but we do need a cheaper PK'er.

We need to find a way to replace Pavs production and I am 100% sure that the Cuda players are not going to do that on their own barring a huge surprise. But we could potentially get a cheaper top-9 F who can be good for about 50 points, PK and is a better skater than Pavs. That is what I want. Pavs is not going to hit 64 points again this year. Dude had a 20% shooting percentage last year. That is 8% higher than his career average.

 

[WSS11]

How is it far more balanced then deboers?

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Heed’s numbers are skewed since he played in 3 games and when EK65 was hurt. Ryan was playing 3-4 minutes some nights when Vlasic and Karlsson were in the lineup. That’s ridiculous if you’re only icing 6 defensemen.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

DeBoer was moving Marleau to the 3rd line during the Finals run. I don't think the concern that DeBoer will play him above his capabilities is warranted. It just depends on what else we have up front. It seems to me, we will have Kane, Hertl, Couture, Meier, Labanc, Sorensen, Goodrow, Radil, and probably Karlsson, Thornton, and Marleau. Then maybe Gambrell and one other spot whether that's internal or a signing like Pavelski or Nyquist or Donskoi.

I can see this team trying to move Labanc into the top six next year which I think he will fail at and using Gambrell to replace him on the 3rd line with Marleau and Thornton. If Labanc is failing, putting him back with Thornton and having Marleau with Couture and Meier wouldn't be the worst utilization of talents.

Oh boy. I am not looking forward to a season of this.