Speculation: 2019-2020 Sharks Roster Discussion, part deux

[LadyStanley]

Part the first: Speculation: - 2019-2020 Sharks Roster Discussion

Hoping today they'll announce the cap so there is a full day of discussion (in Vancouver) before the first round on Friday.


(Guessing there's a flight or two from LAS to YVR a couple of hours after the Awards ceremony today)

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[Barrie22]

For the ones asking how i got it to work with pavs at 7 mil (even though i say walk if thats what it takes). Would rather thornton over pavs.

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[one2gamble]

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For the ones asking how i got it to work with pavs at 7 mil (even though i say walk if thats what it takes). Would rather thornton over pavs.

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that bottom 6 is uh.....wow

 

[Barrie22]

if pavs is o


that bottom 6 is uh.....wow

Yeah its not the best lineup. But its whats needed if pavs is being greedy.

 

[Gilligans Island]

Thanks for posting.

Yeah that's feasible - not a great lineup - but feasible. Heavily dependent on being able to move Dell, which I don't think is feasible.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Thanks for posting.

Yeah that's feasible - not a great lineup - but feasible. Heavily dependent on being able to move Dell, which I don't think is feasible.

I think Dell is movable.

Dell + our 4th round pick (2020) for 7th round pick 2020/21. Something like that.

 

[SpaceCoastShark]

Eagerly awaiting DW's move of the day. Then he's off to the tanning booth!

 

[Barrie22]

Thanks for posting.

Yeah that's feasible - not a great lineup - but feasible. Heavily dependent on being able to move Dell, which I don't think is feasible.

Yeah this teams depth and ability to ice the best possible lineup depends on dillon, melker, dell (lesser extent then the other 2) being traded for picks. And pavs not trying to earn as much as he humanly possibly can.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Yeah this teams depth and ability to ice the best possible lineup depends on dillon, melker, dell (lesser extent then the other 2) being traded for picks. And pavs not trying to earn as much as he humanly possibly can.

I think part of it is also largely dependent on Pavs taking a friendlier deal of 6M or less to help us add some depth. Him asking for 7M is totally fair but he is going to most definitely impact the team from adding the much needed depth to the bottom-6.

Which is why I think we need to keep our options open and not put all our eggs in the Pavs basket. If I can get a lesser player like Nyquist/Dzingel for 5.5M with term and also add Donskoi for 3M with term, I would rather do that and get us the much needed depth in that top-9.

We could always expose one of those guys in the expansion draft if we need to.

 

[NewMuzu24]

At 81.8M, I can't see how it's feasible to keep Pavs without an unreasonable discount. The more I think about it, the more I don't think it's a good use of 6+M either.

In the below scenario, Dell and Melker are traded with no retention. Marleau bought out by someone else and signs for 1M (Still doubt it happens and don't know if it should). Timo and Labanc come in at combined 7.7M on 2yr bridge deals.

Cap is 81.8 M. Space left is 227K. Dillon can be traded for savings to spread across Meier, Labanc, Nyquist, and Jumbo.

 

[WSS11]

Yeah its not the best lineup. But its whats needed if pavs is being greedy.

If Pavs wants 7MM then he’s gone. I think Nyquist and Zuccarello are going to get 7MM+ after Hayes signed for 7.1MM. I’m not sure where to go from here if I’m DW besides maybe clearing Dell and Melker for picks.

 

[Jargon]

Man, the more I think about it the less I think we’re signing Pavs unless he decides to take a very generous discount — which, at his age, why would he do when he can cash in elsewhere? And I’m sure plenty of contenders would be willing to sign him, he won’t go to a bottom feeder.

But everyone’s attempts at fitting him in just guts our forwards — and unless our new Euros and/or the Russian kids blow up, it looks grim.

On the other hand, no Pavelski gives us some breathing room to create a much more balanced line up. The fact is, Kane-Hertl and Meier-Couture don’t NEED amazing right wingers. They need smart, speedy playmakers. I’m sure we can find some for relatively cheap.

That said, it makes me sad to lose the heartbeat of our team. I imagine Couture gets the C.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

At 81.8M, I can't see how it's feasible to keep Pavs without an unreasonable discount. The more I think about it, the more I don't think it's a good use of 6+M either.

In the below scenario, Dell and Melker are traded with no retention. Marleau bought out by someone else and signs for 1M (Still doubt it happens and don't know if it should). Timo and Labanc come in at combined 7.7M on 2yr bridge deals.

Cap is 81.8 M. Space left is 227K. Dillon can be traded for savings to spread across Meier, Labanc, Nyquist, and Jumbo.
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See, if we can get Meier and Labanc to sign those bridge deals, this is the kind of roster I want. Try out Chekhovich, Chmeleveski or Gmbrell in that bottom-6 and pick the best player there for this season.

 

[The JT Express]

I don't understand the fascination with Nyquist. He's a soft player, was ineffective in the playoffs (and always has been), and is due for a raise. He's not a priority.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I don't mind Perry as much as some of our other fans but 'Buyout' and 'Big name in Free Agency' does not quite go together.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

If Pavs wants 7MM then he’s gone. I think Nyquist and Zuccarello are going to get 7MM+ after Hayes signed for 7.1MM. I’m not sure where to go from here if I’m DW besides maybe clearing Dell and Melker for picks.

I think we could get Nyquist on a pretty reasonable discount, something like a 5X5. I would consider that even though his age worries me.

If he wants Hayes’ contract, which he might honestly deserve, let him walk.

 

[STL Shark]

Man, the more I think about it the less I think we’re signing Pavs unless he decides to take a very generous discount — which, at his age, why would he do when he can cash in elsewhere? And I’m sure plenty of contenders would be willing to sign him, he won’t go to a bottom feeder.

But everyone’s attempts at fitting him in just guts our forwards — and unless our new Euros and/or the Russian kids blow up, it looks grim.

On the other hand, no Pavelski gives us some breathing room to create a much more balanced line up. The fact is, Kane-Hertl and Meier-Couture don’t NEED amazing right wingers. They need smart, speedy playmakers. I’m sure we can find some for relatively cheap.

That said, it makes me sad to lose the heartbeat of our team. I imagine Couture gets the C.

I agree with these sentiments. I think Labanc fits with Kane-Hertl while I think it makes sense to likely trade Merkley for a RW to play on the top line given we don't have anyone that can offer the speed and defensive ability combo that it is going to take to play the tough minutes with Couture and Meier. While I like Merkley's skillset and upside as a prospect, by the time he will either 1) be ready to contribute or 2) we need him there will have been 2 or 3 more drafts at least and multiple offseasons to add young D-Men back into the pipeline.

Think DW has shown he is in it for the now which means someone has to go. Easier to stomach moving a D with a skillset that we just locked up for 8 years than it is to move a forward prospect that we are going to need this year or next like the Ch twins will be.

 

[LadyStanley]

@NewMuzu24 - I can see the Sharks signing Pavelski over Nyquist. Costs them a pick to re-sign Nyquist. Nothing for Pavs.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I agree with these sentiments. I think Labanc fits with Kane-Hertl while I think it makes sense to likely trade Merkley for a RW to play on the top line given we don't have anyone that can offer the speed and defensive ability combo that it is going to take to play the tough minutes with Couture and Meier. While I like Merkley's skillset and upside as a prospect, by the time he will either 1) be ready to contribute or 2) we need him there will have been 2 or 3 more drafts at least and multiple offseasons to add young D-Men back into the pipeline.

Think DW has shown he is in it for the now which means someone has to go. Easier to stomach moving a D with a skillset that we just locked up for 8 years than it is to move a forward prospect that we are going to need this year or next like the Ch twins will be.

Most likely not popular opinion but I would rather have someone like Donskoi + Fehr than Pavs.

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I think Fehr can take over Melker's role as a PK'er and do a better job as 4C than anyone we had last year. I would love to try True as 4C as well but the ineffectiveness of our 4th line in the playoffs really concerns me.

 

[Gilligans Island]

@NewMuzu24 - I can see the Sharks signing Pavelski over Nyquist. Costs them a pick to re-sign Nyquist. Nothing for Pavs.

I don't think the pick matters to DW - history has shown that. Nyquist should be a lower AAV than Pavs. That said, I don't know if we even re-sign either one.

 

[The JT Express]

NHL's Top 12 UFAs of 2019: Latest rumours, reports - Sportsnet.ca

According to this article, Pavelski wants long term at 5 million/year. Well worth it for a guy who stands in front of the net and tips pucks. I hope we can protect him in the expansion draft without losing a key piece.

 

[STL Shark]

Most likely not popular opinion but I would rather have someone like Donskoi + Fehr than Pavs.

Kane-Couture-Labanc
Meier-Hertl-Donskoi
Sorensen-Jumbo-Chekhovich
Goodrow-Fehr-Gambrell

I think Fehr can take over Melker's role as a PK'er and do a better job as 4C than anyone we had last year. I would love to try True as 4C as well but the ineffectiveness of our 4th line in the playoffs really concerns me.

I think Fehr makes sense given familiarity, PK, skating, physical, and cheap. Can be had for probably $900k - $1 mil (negligible difference compared to True's $760k). Think he is a legit option with or without Pavelski (may even call it likely given the speculation surrounding his return by I believe it was LeBrun and how DW/PDB really liked him).

I don't think you can go into a season though with Donskoi and two rookies making up the RW spots though. Donskoi is good for a 15 game or so absence each year it seems with his chronic shoulder issues and then the rookies are all going to be a mixed bag. Given there should be cap space with no Pavs, I would swap Donskoi for Nyquist and also add Perry or a veteran 3rd line RW. If one of the rookies impresses out of camp and shows to be too good to send down, then great and you cross that bridge then. But relying on them to produce and stay healthy through a full NHL season and playoff run is likely too ambitious given the most likely guy to fill into a top 9 role have not even played in the AHL for more than short stints after their junior seasons. Would rather have those guys for depth since there will be inevitable injuries throughout the season.

 

[Gilligans Island]

NHL's Top 12 UFAs of 2019: Latest rumours, reports - Sportsnet.ca

According to this article, Pavelski wants long term at 5 million/year. Well worth it for a guy who stands in front of the net and tips pucks. I hope we can protect him in the expansion draft without losing a key piece.

Wonder what term he wants? 4 or 5 yrs? If no NMC and he can be exposed in the expansion draft, maybe. He has to know that that's his risk. That or end up like Patty now.

 

[Cappuccino]

I don't think the pick matters to DW - history has shown that. Nyquist should be a lower AAV than Pavs. That said, I don't know if we even re-sign either one.

The pick may not matter much but an extra 2nd round pick (compared to not having it lol) can be used for a rental at the trade deadline.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I don't think the pick matters to DW - history has shown that. Nyquist should be a lower AAV than Pavs. That said, I don't know if we even re-sign either one.

I don't know man. With how much money Hayes just made, I can see Nyquist looking for a similar contract.