2019/20 Roster Thread XXV [Dec. 4: Vorobyev recalled]

[Ghosts Beer]

Have you tried applying proper context? It helps a lot. Give it a shot, instead of isolating numbers and yelling about that as if that remotely matters.

We have told you this numerous times. The numbers themselves aren't gospel. They are part of a story. Why do you insist on not understanding this?

You apparently misunderstood the point of my post.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You apparently misunderstood the point of my post.

Your go-to move is misusing stats and acting like because you've used them wrong, they're bunk.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[FLYguy3911]

Only 3 defenseman averaging 1+ high dancer chance per 60. Hamilton is on another level.

 

[deadhead]

A forward who is 6’2” ~200Lbs is in no way undersized...

It is for standing in front of a goalie, setting screens and taking punishment.
Simmonds was a bit of a freak in that regard. Played way above his weight class.

I think that's one reason AV wanted to give Stewart a shot, Stewart can fill that role, at least in terms of parking his big butt.

JVR and Voracek are big enough but I don't think their hearts are into it nor do they have the quick hands needed to score that close in.

 

[Illini Flyer]

Idk if this has been said already, but can they try Frost on in the G spot on PP2. Him in the slot doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me

 

[Beef Invictus]

It is for standing in front of a goalie, setting screens and taking punishment.
Simmonds was a bit of a freak in that regard. Played way above his weight class.

I think that's one reason AV wanted to give Stewart a shot, Stewart can fill that role, at least in terms of parking his big butt.

JVR and Voracek are big enough but I don't think their hearts are into it nor do they have the quick hands needed to score that close in.

I will never understand how a scrawny Simmonds generates the amount of strength he does.

 

[deadhead]

I will never understand how a scrawny Simmonds generates the amount of strength he does.

Some guys have natural as opposed to weight room strength.
Guess it's genetics, but you see this in all sports, especially wiry guys.

 

[TB87]

Lindblom is bigger than Simmonds. Simmonds must be undersized too. Teams have and will continue to use both big and small players (see: Pavelski, Arvidsson, etc.) in the netfront PP position throughout the years. There’s no height/weight requirement/cutoff for that particular position.

I completely disagree with the notion that Lindblom is undersized for that role. Nolan Patrick is 6’2” 200LBS as well and he crushed it in front of the net (albeit in a small sample during his rookie season).

 

[Beef Invictus]

Briere was excellent as a net player.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Much better but why the f*** is JVR on there instead of Farabee? Seriously, JVR is a black hole on the PP.

Also, left boards for G and right boards for Jake. Just f***ing do it.

 

[deadhead]

Front of net is different than side of net, where many smaller guys with good hands hang out for a pass/quick shot.
The ideal front of net guy is strong enough to anchor when a D-man tries to shove him out of the way.
As Beef and I pointed out, Simmonds was a "freak," guy was hard to move despite his relative lack of mass. And had great hands for the deflection.

The key for front of net guys is they distract the goalie, and create more traffic when a defenseman tried and fails to dislodge them.
Side of net guys are dangerous, but don't provide screens that cause goalies to lose sight of pucks.

Lindblom may grow into that role, unfortunately JVR and Voracek don't seem to function well there.
Too bad Allison can't stay healthy, he'd have potential in that role, and I expect them to groom Ratcliffe as he fills out.

 

[Curufinwe]

So taking Jake off PP1 didn't improve PP1, eh.

 

[Striiker]

There's a few key mistakes being made by the people supporting the coaching staff the most vocally and getting all worked up about people critiquing them.

(1) you guys are still comparing this coaching staff to the last coaching staff, instead of judging the current group based on their own merits.

(2) you guys are being blinded by wins and using a good result to excuse some bad processes, which is how mistakes/problems get overlooked and aren't fixed in a timely manner.

(3) you guys are giving the coaches credit for things outside of their control (like the play of the skaters) and for things that should be expected of them

Let's also be clear, there's a difference between being happy with what's happened so far and being happy with the coaching staff.
I'm sure I speak for most when I say we're very happy with how most of the players are playing, that the team is winning, and that they're high in the standings.
However, that doesn't change the fact that some extremely concerning mistakes are being made by the staff, some of which will have a big impact on the team, in both the short and long term. Being unhappy with that isn't the same thing with being unhappy overall. It's possible to have more than one set of thoughts and emotions at once.

 

[Curufinwe]

Until the Flyers prove that they are not the same old streaky team that they’ve been for years I’m going to reserve my excitement.

The Philadelphia Flyers are a top 5 team in the league

@StoneHands had a good post about the difference between this year and the past six seasons.

2019-20
15-7-5 before 12/1
1-1-0 after 12/1

2018-19
10-12-2 before 12/1
27-25-6 after 12/1

2017-18
8-10-7 before 12/1
34-16-7 after 12/1

2016-17
11-10-3 before 12/1
28-23-7 after 12/1

2015-16
9-10-5 before 12/1
32-17-9 after 12/1

2014-15
8-12-3 before 12/1
25-19-15 after 12/1

2013-14
12-12-2 before 12/1
30-18-8 after 12/1

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Philadelphia Flyers are a top 5 team in the league

@StoneHands had a good post about the difference between this year and the past six seasons.

2019-20
15-7-5 before 12/1
1-1-0 after 12/1

2018-19
10-12-2 before 12/1
27-25-6 after 12/1

2017-18
8-10-7 before 12/1
34-16-7 after 12/1

2016-17
11-10-3 before 12/1
28-23-7 after 12/1

2015-16
9-10-5 before 12/1
32-17-9 after 12/1

2014-15
8-12-3 before 12/1
25-19-15 after 12/1

2013-14
12-12-2 before 12/1
30-18-8 after 12/1

But what if they're doing this on purpose to maximize the disappointment later?

 

[BritainStix]

If this doesn't work we might need to put certain posters on suicide watch

 

[Curufinwe]

But what if they're doing this on purpose to maximize the disappointment later?

Then they are not the same old team.

 

[gertbfrobe16]

But what if they're doing this on purpose to maximize the disappointment later?

sorta like gordo having lines in practice, that he didn't use in games kinda disappointment?

 

[Curufinwe]

If this doesn't work we might need to put certain posters on suicide watch

If the PP doesn't pick up, I think Therrien will get the chop before anyone here kills themselves.

5 goals in their last 39 attempts (12.8%)

NHL.com - Stats

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The Philadelphia Flyers are a top 5 team in the league

@StoneHands had a good post about the difference between this year and the past six seasons.

2019-20
15-7-5 before 12/1
1-1-0 after 12/1

2018-19
10-12-2 before 12/1
27-25-6 after 12/1

2017-18
8-10-7 before 12/1
34-16-7 after 12/1

2016-17
11-10-3 before 12/1
28-23-7 after 12/1

2015-16
9-10-5 before 12/1
32-17-9 after 12/1

2014-15
8-12-3 before 12/1
25-19-15 after 12/1

2013-14
12-12-2 before 12/1
30-18-8 after 12/1

So... they started off with a better record?

I've been entertained this year by the team but i'm not going to be hopeful until they kick the winning/losing streak habit.

I'm not saying they're not a good team but they've followed the same trend quietly that we've seen for years but just happened to win a few more games to start the season.

Their season has consisted of...

1W
4L
3W
2L
1W
1L
4W
4L
1W
1L
5W
1L (current)

I'm not even down on the team in the slightest. I just have seen this show before over and over where they drag us back in and make us think that they've turned a corner only to throw up in our face. If they can prevent this from turning into a losing streak i'll be quite happy.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

So taking Jake off PP1 didn't improve PP1, eh.

But... but... we have people on here that says he shouldn't even be on the team, let alone on the PP. How can this be!?

 

[Rebels57]

So... they started off with a better record?

I've been entertained this year by the team but i'm not going to be hopeful until they kick the winning/losing streak habit.

I'm not saying they're not a good team but they've followed the same trend quietly that we've seen for years but just happened to win a few more games to start the season.

Their season has consisted of...

1W
4L
3W
2L
1W
1L
4W
4L
1W
1L
5W
1L (current)

I'm not even down on the team in the slightest. I just have seen this show before over and over where they drag us back in and make us think that they've turned a corner only to throw up in our face. If they can prevent this from turning into a losing streak i'll be quite happy.

I bet that win-loss variance looks similar to most good teams. That 4 straight L in the beginning of the season I specifically remember them actually playing well but not getting results.

After 12 games they were 5-5-2.

Since then they are 11-3-3.

I think we come out on Saturday and kick the shit out of Ottawa too.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I bet that win-loss variance looks similar to most good teams. That 4 straight L in the beginning of the season I specifically remember them actually playing well but not getting results.

After 12 games they were 5-5-2.

Since then they are 11-3-3.

I think we come out on Saturday and kick the **** out of Ottawa too.

Because they haven't had the chance to start that losing streak that we always see yet...

They do the typical 4/5 game losing streat to follow and then they're 11-7-3.

 

[Rebels57]

Because they haven't had the chance to start that losing streak that we always see yet...

They do the typical 4/5 game losing streat to follow and then they're 11-7-3.

Good point. Let's see what happens on Saturday. I predict another wonky 1st period followed by dominating in the 2nd and 3rd and a nice and tidy 4-1 win (EN goal scored by Hart )