Prospect Info: 2019-20 Oilers Prospect Thread

[Tw0Shoes]

People are reading way too much into this tournament. This is a tournament where Fleury was garbage in and where guys like Ruzicka, Reichel and Justin freaking Pogge were superstars in. If you think this tournament decides if a player will be good or not you are lost

Jesse Puljujaarvi, 7 games, 5 goals, 12 assists, 17 points as a 17 year old!

 

[Biltmore]

Jesse Puljujaarvi, 7 games, 5 goals, 12 assists, 17 points as a 17 year old!

Jesse now ripping his league a new bunghole at a shocking 6.0% shooting pace!

 

[Beerfish]

Just why do you think Broberg was our pick? He had one great international tourney.

If our prospects were lighting it up everyone and their dog would be crowing about it.

 

[nabob]

He is used defensively only because his offensive ability and iq is heavily lacking at the moment. He is a defensive specialist which is why I'm pretty low on him. Some people say he is a potential top pairing guy, but with his style of game, I don't see how that's possible unless his offensive game skyrockets.

From yesterday....

the day after he was drafted you hated it because you claimed he was a wildcard type Dman who can’t be counted on in his own zone. Now you’re saying the opposite based on another posters post

it is seriously entertaining to see you find new reasons to hate the player despite admitting you’ve never watched more than a few of his highlights since he was drafted and never watched him before that

 

[nabob]

Well, he is the only Sweden D with a goal, so I guess we can hold onto that for now

has more goals in the tourney than Zegras despite being used as a shutdown defender

 

[Bryanbryoil]

He is used defensively only because his offensive ability and iq is heavily lacking at the moment. He is a defensive specialist which is why I'm pretty low on him. Some people say he is a potential top pairing guy, but with his style of game, I don't see how that's possible unless his offensive game skyrockets.

From yesterday....

Bust AMIRITE?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Weren't people complaining about his defensive play when he was drafted? I take it as a compliment that he is seen as one of their shutdown guys when a number of older D are not.

 

[nabob]

Weren't people complaining about his defensive play when he was drafted? I take it as a compliment that he is seen as one of their shutdown guys when a number of older D are not.

yes the biggest knock on him was that he needed to tighten yo his own zone play as he took a lot of risks joining the rush and creating offense with his strong knack for creating offense.

He’s playing bottom pairing minutes in SEL and being told to concentrate on his defense this year and now is being used as a shutdown Dman in the WJHC because of it. So according to a poster who knows nothing about the player he now has no offensive IQ

 

[Seachd]

If you'd ever like a huge list of all team's prospects, and stats to compare them, here you go. This year it's everyone draft-eligible in 2015 and later.

 

[Del Preston]

the day after he was drafted you hated it because you claimed he was a wildcard type Dman who can’t be counted on in his own zone. Now you’re saying the opposite based on another posters post

it is seriously entertaining to see you find new reasons to hate the player despite admitting you’ve never watched more than a few of his highlights since he was drafted and never watched him before that

His source in Sweden gave him bad info.

 

[LaGu]

I hope I get to watch him again because the game today I'm not even sure he played 14 minutes. When he did play absolutely nothing stood out. Not his size, strength, skill, or oh so amazing skating.

At the draft it was a very questionable pick. He was considered very raw and a long term project.

Playing against his age group, only earning bottom pairing/PK minutes, and showing meh at best I think we can safely ignore this kid for at least 3 more years.

I know it won't change any opinions about him, but to add a bit of context to this post I would like to point out that Sweden is rolling 7 Ds in the tournament. In the game you're referring to (vs Slovakia I guess) the D TOI times looked like this:

Soderstrom 19:19 (20 shifts) -- PP
Lundqvist 17:38 (23 shifts) -- PP
Sandin 17:05 (19 shifts) -- PP
Ginning 15:34 (17 shifts)
Broberg 15:18 (21 shifts)
Bjornfot 14:19 (20 shifts)
Norlinder 12:37 (15 shifts)

This has been more or less the norm, except that Ginning played a bit more than usual. With regards to ice time it is also necessary to not only point out that Broberg does not play on the PP (which you did) but also that Sweden plays a lot more PP than PK (edit: after 5 GP SWE has spent 44:00 mins on the PP and 24:26 mins on the PK). I have not found any tracking of PP/PK/EV ice times for individual players, but looking at the stats from the individual games and totals I don't think that it is an outlandish assumption to say that Broberg is most probably the most utilised D on EV+PK. He is 4th in TOI behind the three PP D's and 4th in #shifts over the first 5 GP, but it is all pretty even (which was expected by most prior to the tournament): Soderstrom 111 shifts (PP D), Lundqvist 104 shifts (PP D), Sandin 101 shifts (PP D), Broberg 100 shifts.

Regarding playing against his age group I think sometimes it is still good to remember that Broberg is very young. Counting the big 5, i.e. CAN, USA, FIN, RUS and SWE, the only defenseman who is younger than Broberg is Drysdale.

Lastly, I get that you have a strong opinion about Broberg from the get-go since you did not like this pick. Not considering that though, and not entering into another discussion about the draft, "meh at best" is hyperbole. He has been solid, not spectacular or flashy, but consistent. His pair with Bjornfot spends most of the time playing with Swe's lower lines to shut down opposition and that obviously shows. Yesterday he had another good game, even though some say they didn't notice him (I did, but I was actively looking for him, so there is that). He broke up several plays and kept moving the puck in the right direction, not flashy but very effective and a big reason Swe shut out the Czechs. Most of the Ds are very good though, so it is a bit hard to stand out. This is the best D group Sweden has iced for the world juniors in many years, probably ever, and he is still the youngest out of the group.

 

[OiledUp]

I know it won't change any opinions about him, but to add a bit of context to this post I would like to point out that Sweden is rolling 7 Ds in the tournament. In the game you're referring to (vs Slovakia I guess) the D TOI times looked like this:
Soderstrom 19:19 (20 shifts) -- PP
Lundqvist 17:38 (23 shifts) -- PP
Sandin 17:05 (19 shifts) -- PP
Ginning 15:34 (17 shifts)
Broberg 15:18 (21 shifts)
Bjornfot 14:19 (20 shifts)
Norlinder 12:37 (15 shifts)

This has been more or less the norm, except that Ginning played a bit more than usual. With regards to ice time it is also necessary to not only point out that Broberg does not play on the PP (which you did) but also that Sweden plays a lot more PP than PK (edit: after 5 GP SWE has spent 44:00 mins on the PP and 24:26 mins on the PK). I have not found any tracking of PP/PK/EV ice times for individual players, but looking at the stats from the individual games and totals I don't think it is an outlandish claim to say that Broberg is the most utilised D on EV+PK. He is 4th in TOI behind the three PP D's and 4th in #shifts over the first 5 GP, but it is all pretty even (which was expected by most prior to the tournament): Soderstrom 111 shifts (PP D), Lundqvist 104 shifts (PP D), Sandin 101 shifts (PP D), Broberg 100 shifts).

Regarding playing against his age group I think sometimes it is still good to remember that Broberg is very young. Counting the big 5, i.e. CAN, USA, FIN, RUS and SWE, the only defenseman who is younger than Broberg is Drysdale.

Lastly, I get that you have a strong opinion about Broberg from the get-go since you did not like this pick. Not considering that though, and not entering into another discussion about the draft, "meh at best" is hyperbole. He has been solid, not spectacular or flashy, but consistent. His pair with Bjornfot spends most of the time playing with Swe's lower lines to shut down opposition and that obviously shows. Yesterday he had another good game even though some say they didn't notice him. He broke up several plays and kept moving the puck in the right direction, not flashy but very effective and a big reason Swe shut out the Czechs. Most of the Ds are very good though, so it is a bit hard to stand out. This is the best D group Sweden has iced for the world juniors in many years, probably ever, and he is still the youngest out of the group.

Dead,as they say, on!

 

[Fourier]

I know it won't change any opinions about him, but to add a bit of context to this post I would like to point out that Sweden is rolling 7 Ds in the tournament. In the game you're referring to (vs Slovakia I guess) the D TOI times looked like this:
Soderstrom 19:19 (20 shifts) -- PP
Lundqvist 17:38 (23 shifts) -- PP
Sandin 17:05 (19 shifts) -- PP
Ginning 15:34 (17 shifts)
Broberg 15:18 (21 shifts)
Bjornfot 14:19 (20 shifts)
Norlinder 12:37 (15 shifts)

This has been more or less the norm, except that Ginning played a bit more than usual. With regards to ice time it is also necessary to not only point out that Broberg does not play on the PP (which you did) but also that Sweden plays a lot more PP than PK (edit: after 5 GP SWE has spent 44:00 mins on the PP and 24:26 mins on the PK). I have not found any tracking of PP/PK/EV ice times for individual players, but looking at the stats from the individual games and totals I don't think that it is an outlandish assumption to say that Broberg is most probably the most utilised D on EV+PK. He is 4th in TOI behind the three PP D's and 4th in #shifts over the first 5 GP, but it is all pretty even (which was expected by most prior to the tournament): Soderstrom 111 shifts (PP D), Lundqvist 104 shifts (PP D), Sandin 101 shifts (PP D), Broberg 100 shifts.

Regarding playing against his age group I think sometimes it is still good to remember that Broberg is very young. Counting the big 5, i.e. CAN, USA, FIN, RUS and SWE, the only defenseman who is younger than Broberg is Drysdale.

Lastly, I get that you have a strong opinion about Broberg from the get-go since you did not like this pick. Not considering that though, and not entering into another discussion about the draft, "meh at best" is hyperbole. He has been solid, not spectacular or flashy, but consistent. His pair with Bjornfot spends most of the time playing with Swe's lower lines to shut down opposition and that obviously shows. Yesterday he had another good game, even though some say they didn't notice him (I did, but I was actively looking for him, so there is that). He broke up several plays and kept moving the puck in the right direction, not flashy but very effective and a big reason Swe shut out the Czechs. Most of the Ds are very good though, so it is a bit hard to stand out. This is the best D group Sweden has iced for the world juniors in many years, probably ever, and he is still the youngest out of the group.

Great Post. The shift numbers are interesting. They often tell more of the story than raw TOI. PK shifts tend to be short and repetitive. pp shifts tend to be long and singular.

 

[CupofOil]

I know it won't change any opinions about him, but to add a bit of context to this post I would like to point out that Sweden is rolling 7 Ds in the tournament. In the game you're referring to (vs Slovakia I guess) the D TOI times looked like this:

Soderstrom 19:19 (20 shifts) -- PP
Lundqvist 17:38 (23 shifts) -- PP
Sandin 17:05 (19 shifts) -- PP
Ginning 15:34 (17 shifts)
Broberg 15:18 (21 shifts)
Bjornfot 14:19 (20 shifts)
Norlinder 12:37 (15 shifts)

This has been more or less the norm, except that Ginning played a bit more than usual. With regards to ice time it is also necessary to not only point out that Broberg does not play on the PP (which you did) but also that Sweden plays a lot more PP than PK (edit: after 5 GP SWE has spent 44:00 mins on the PP and 24:26 mins on the PK). I have not found any tracking of PP/PK/EV ice times for individual players, but looking at the stats from the individual games and totals I don't think that it is an outlandish assumption to say that Broberg is most probably the most utilised D on EV+PK. He is 4th in TOI behind the three PP D's and 4th in #shifts over the first 5 GP, but it is all pretty even (which was expected by most prior to the tournament): Soderstrom 111 shifts (PP D), Lundqvist 104 shifts (PP D), Sandin 101 shifts (PP D), Broberg 100 shifts.

Regarding playing against his age group I think sometimes it is still good to remember that Broberg is very young. Counting the big 5, i.e. CAN, USA, FIN, RUS and SWE, the only defenseman who is younger than Broberg is Drysdale.

Lastly, I get that you have a strong opinion about Broberg from the get-go since you did not like this pick. Not considering that though, and not entering into another discussion about the draft, "meh at best" is hyperbole. He has been solid, not spectacular or flashy, but consistent. His pair with Bjornfot spends most of the time playing with Swe's lower lines to shut down opposition and that obviously shows. Yesterday he had another good game, even though some say they didn't notice him (I did, but I was actively looking for him, so there is that). He broke up several plays and kept moving the puck in the right direction, not flashy but very effective and a big reason Swe shut out the Czechs. Most of the Ds are very good though, so it is a bit hard to stand out. This is the best D group Sweden has iced for the world juniors in many years, probably ever, and he is still the youngest out of the group.

Good post, as usual, but I get the frustration from the posters who aren't big on Broberg.

When you draft a Dman in the top 10, you want more than a shutdown defender which it seems that Broberg is being deployed as in the SHL and with the National Team and then you see Soderstrom who was drafted behind him getting prime minutes and putting up excellent offensive numbers with his club and national team and it's a bit frustrating (not to mention the offensive forwards the Oilers desperately need).
Still early days of course and there's tons of development time ahead but I'd like to see Broberg spread his offensive wings a bit. I'm sure Holland didn't draft him to be another Larsson.

 

[LaGu]

Good post, as usual, but I get the frustration from the posters who aren't big on Broberg.

When you draft a Dman in the top 10, you want more than a shutdown defender which it seems that Broberg is being deployed as in the SHL and with the National Team and then you see Soderstrom who was drafted behind him getting prime minutes and putting up excellent offensive numbers with his club and national team and it's a bit frustrating (not to mention the offensive forwards the Oilers desperately need).
Still early days of course and there's tons of development time ahead but I'd like to see Broberg spread his offensive wings a bit. I'm sure Holland didn't draft him to be another Larsson.

Edit: Answer was too long so I changed it, in essence:

Soderstrom has been a revelation to everyone. He was not even meant to come to the U20 WC, but was only called him once Boqvist was not available. For me he's been the best D of the tournament so far which is pretty awesome all things considered.

In the SHL Broberg is not being molded into a shut-down D, he is learning the trade of playing a responsible game and gets good ice time for an 18 year old rookie. The only ones I have seen disagreeing on that are some on hfoil. Every young rookie D in the SHL is treated this way, doesn't mean he is will become a Larsson/Hjalmarsson or something similar.

 

[CupofOil]

Edit: Answer was too long so I changed it, in essence:

Soderstrom has been a revelation to everyone. He was not even meant to come to the U20 WC, but was only called him once Boqvist was not available. For me he's been the best D of the tournament so far which is pretty awesome all things considered.

In the SHL Broberg is not being molded into a shut-down D, he is learning the trade of playing a responsible game and gets good ice time for an 18 year old rookie. The only ones I have seen disagreeing on that are some on hfoil. Every young rookie D in the SHL is treated this way, doesn't mean he is will become a Larsson/Hjalmarsson or something similar.

I don't disagree but it's still frustrating to see Soderstrom take that big leap in 2 way development (and man does he look good) while Broberg is coming along slowly but this is also Soderstrom's 2nd year in the mens' league I believe so we'll see if Broberg's offensive game comes along next season with more opportunity.
Heinola also looks really good as well, showed very well with the Jets although seems to be struggling in Liiga at least by the numbers.

I just want Broberg to be more than a one trick pony. They invested very valuable capital in this player especially considering what was available to them so I'd like to see him being deployed in some offensive situations going forward. He has some untapped offensive potential to work with.

 

[McDNicks17]

I don't disagree but it's still frustrating to see Soderstrom take that big leap in 2 way development (and man does he look good) while Broberg is coming along slowly but this is also Soderstrom's 2nd year in the mens' league I believe so we'll see if Broberg's offensive game comes along next season with more opportunity.
Heinola also looks really good as well, showed very well with the Jets although seems to be struggling in Liiga at least by the numbers.

I just want Broberg to be more than a one trick pony. They invested very valuable capital in this player especially considering what was available to them so I'd like to see him being deployed in some offensive situations going forward. He has some untapped offensive potential to work with.

I think that's kind of to be expected. Soderstrom was really polished at the draft.

Holland is gambling on Broberg's upside being higher. Not sure it's a good gamble or one even worth taking, but we'll see, I guess.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I think that's kind of to be expected. Soderstrom was really polished at the draft.

Holland is gambling on Broberg's upside being higher. Not sure it's a good gamble or one even worth taking, but we'll see, I guess.

Agreed. I was against drafting a defender period with the pick due to there not being many high end defenders. I was very much against drafting another low offense guy.

Holland went that direction so seeing Soderstrom getting more icetime in the SHL and is just overall a much better player is rough to see.

Yes that could easily change in the coming years but early returns on the bet aren't there.

I also don't really see a high end ceiling for Broberg either though but that might just be me

 

[Aerchon]

I know it won't change any opinions about him, but to add a bit of context to this post I would like to point out that Sweden is rolling 7 Ds in the tournament. In the game you're referring to (vs Slovakia I guess) the D TOI times looked like this:

Soderstrom 19:19 (20 shifts) -- PP
Lundqvist 17:38 (23 shifts) -- PP
Sandin 17:05 (19 shifts) -- PP
Ginning 15:34 (17 shifts)
Broberg 15:18 (21 shifts)
Bjornfot 14:19 (20 shifts)
Norlinder 12:37 (15 shifts)

This has been more or less the norm, except that Ginning played a bit more than usual. With regards to ice time it is also necessary to not only point out that Broberg does not play on the PP (which you did) but also that Sweden plays a lot more PP than PK (edit: after 5 GP SWE has spent 44:00 mins on the PP and 24:26 mins on the PK). I have not found any tracking of PP/PK/EV ice times for individual players, but looking at the stats from the individual games and totals I don't think that it is an outlandish assumption to say that Broberg is most probably the most utilised D on EV+PK. He is 4th in TOI behind the three PP D's and 4th in #shifts over the first 5 GP, but it is all pretty even (which was expected by most prior to the tournament): Soderstrom 111 shifts (PP D), Lundqvist 104 shifts (PP D), Sandin 101 shifts (PP D), Broberg 100 shifts.

Regarding playing against his age group I think sometimes it is still good to remember that Broberg is very young. Counting the big 5, i.e. CAN, USA, FIN, RUS and SWE, the only defenseman who is younger than Broberg is Drysdale.

Lastly, I get that you have a strong opinion about Broberg from the get-go since you did not like this pick. Not considering that though, and not entering into another discussion about the draft, "meh at best" is hyperbole. He has been solid, not spectacular or flashy, but consistent. His pair with Bjornfot spends most of the time playing with Swe's lower lines to shut down opposition and that obviously shows. Yesterday he had another good game, even though some say they didn't notice him (I did, but I was actively looking for him, so there is that). He broke up several plays and kept moving the puck in the right direction, not flashy but very effective and a big reason Swe shut out the Czechs. Most of the Ds are very good though, so it is a bit hard to stand out. This is the best D group Sweden has iced for the world juniors in many years, probably ever, and he is still the youngest out of the group.

Thanks. I always appreciate more info and break downs. After looking at the ice times I saw they were using 7 D but wasn't sure how that ordered the usage.

However I would be very curious about Broberg's puck possession/touches. I was actively looking for him in the games I've watched and he is invisible. I'm shocked he got 15 minutes in that game. The games I've watched have been so one sided I'm not even sure if he mattered in that defensive role. Those kind of situations that make you feel anyone could have done as well.

When Nurse played in that same role he was very noticeable. The competition was fierce.

I'll see if I can watch tomorrow against a stronger Russia team.

 

[aspin3]

I don't disagree but it's still frustrating to see Soderstrom take that big leap in 2 way development (and man does he look good) while Broberg is coming along slowly but this is also Soderstrom's 2nd year in the mens' league I believe so we'll see if Broberg's offensive game comes along next season with more opportunity.
Heinola also looks really good as well, showed very well with the Jets although seems to be struggling in Liiga at least by the numbers.

I just want Broberg to be more than a one trick pony. They invested very valuable capital in this player especially considering what was available to them so I'd like to see him being deployed in some offensive situations going forward. He has some untapped offensive potential to work with.

He was just drafted this year. I have no problem him being shown how to play defensively. His skating and offence will come. Most young defenceman cant make the jump because if their liability defensively unless they have Karlssons offense and then all is forgiven.

 

[aspin3]

Agreed. I was against drafting a defender period with the pick due to there not being many high end defenders. I was very much against drafting another low offense guy.

Holland went that direction so seeing Soderstrom getting more icetime in the SHL and is just overall a much better player is rough to see.

Yes that could easily change in the coming years but early returns on the bet aren't there.

I also don't really see a high end ceiling for Broberg either though but that might just be me

This sounds like the whole Brodin vs. Klefbom conversation all over again even though the Oilers never had a choice in the pick the conversation was how Klefbom was a dud offesively and how Brodin was do much more dynamic. Who would you have now?

 

[Aerchon]

This sounds like the whole Brodin vs. kzlrfhom conversation all over again even though the Oulers never had a choice 8n the pick the conversation was how Klefb9m was a dud offesivelyvand how Brodin was do much more dynamic. Who would you have now?

This is opposite of what I remember.

Despite low SHL points Klefbom was always considered the offensive puck moving defenseman compared to the steady 2 way Brodin.

Brodin over the course of his career has probably been the better. The last couple years Klefbom has really improved defensively and I believe is the better now. Draft + 6 before we saw a consistently good Klefbom.

As of this exact moment I honestly don't see Broberg being as good as either Nurse or Klefbom. However it's extremely early and Broberg is very raw.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Jesse now ripping his league a new bunghole at a shocking 6.0% shooting pace!

2 goals in 15 games! Impressive!

 

[nabob]

This is opposite of what I remember.

Despite low SHL points Klefbom was always considered the offensive puck moving defenseman compared to the steady 2 way Brodin.

Brodin over the course of his career has probably been the better. The last couple years Klefbom has really improved defensively and I believe is the better now. Draft + 6 before we saw a consistently good Klefbom.

As of this exact moment I honestly don't see Broberg being as good as either Nurse or Klefbom. However it's extremely early and Broberg is very raw.

You have always had a strong bias against Klefbom and a very low opinion of him. Even now it’s difficult to take what you say about him seriously. Klefbom has been a better player for at least the last 4 years and heads and shoulders better since the Oilers playoff season when he broke out paired with Larsson that year and they put up legit top pairing numbers.

 

[LaGu]

Heartbreaking defeat for team Sweden, losing their best forward in the first minutes of the game and PKing themselves through half of the game... Broberg was a hero in the first period when Sweden racked up 9 mins on the PK, more ice time than any other Swedish D man in that period, more than double that of Soderstrom. Sweden down 3-1 going into the second, up 4-3 late in the 3rd, Russia ties it up and takes it home in OT. Great game though.