Speculation: 2019/20 NHL trade deadline thread (rumors, ideas, & deals)

[BK]

TT always showed signs of talent, but he was frail and needed to adjust to playing in the NHL. He’s likely put on size with age and adjusted to the NHL game.

Nylander has NHL size, the problem with him is he has shown no sign of talent, drive or hockey IQ to suggest there is untapped potential.

Bold: this is 100% inaccurate.

 

[BK]

2 trades I would do for sure.

I trade Strome to Detroit for AA (plus whatever needs to go each way).

I trade Lehner (if he is not signing) or Crow + Gus to Car for Toronto's 1st.

 

[GaryU]

2 trades I would do for sure.

I trade Strome to Detroit for AA (plus whatever needs to go each way).

I trade Lehner (if he is not signing) or Crow + Gus to Car for Toronto's 1st.

Make it so.

 

[Hawkaholic]

He's been better of late, but we saw the terrible start to the season and the garbage two of the last 3 seasons.

The Hawks clearly need to rebuild. Getting rid of a $10.5M cap hit for a player who's value is in the $5M range would go a long way to help them.

It's time to move on.

He's been arguably our best player since beginning of November. Trade him you may as well trade Kane.

 

[TheDachKnight]

2 trades I would do for sure.

I trade Strome to Detroit for AA (plus whatever needs to go each way).

I trade Lehner (if he is not signing) or Crow + Gus to Car for Toronto's 1st.

Not a huge fan of trading Strome, especially for a forward who underachieves pretty consistently. If I’m trading Strome, I want a LHD back.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Bold: this is 100% inaccurate.

66.7% accurate. He has the talent, jsut no drive, and definitely no IQ.

 

[BK]

66.7% accurate. He has the talent, jsut no drive, and definitely no IQ.

He 100% has hockey IQ.

 

[Hawkaholic]

He 100% has hockey IQ.

I don't see it. I can't think of any plays he has made where I was like, wow, that's a really smart play by Nylander, not one.

 

[BK]

I don't see it. I can't think of any plays he has made where I was like, wow, that's a really smart play by Nylander, not one.

He is consistently in the right positioning. This is not an accident. He has made quite a few of those plays you have talked about.

 

[jaysoneil]

If Stan does anything other than sell before the TDL, I'll lose my f***ing mind.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I don't see it. I can't think of any plays he has made where I was like, wow, that's a really smart play by Nylander, not one.

IQ isn't just about "making a really smart play". It's about positioning, also, and he's rarely out of position. He also makes some great plays that amount to nothing because the player it's intended for goes full dumbass and isn't where he should be, or makes a mistake and flubs a shot attempt, or makes a terrible pass instead of shooting.

 

[Hawkaholic]

He is consistently in the right positioning. This is not an accident. He has made quite a few of those plays you have talked about.

I have seen far more dumb plays than smart plays.

 

[Hawkaholic]

IQ isn't just about "making a really smart play". It's about positioning, also, and he's rarely out of position. He also makes some great plays that amount to nothing because the player it's intended for goes full dumbass and isn't where he should be.

It isn't all about it, no. Positioning isn't hard, a 7 year old can learn that. The only plays I see him making are burst into the ops end at the side boards, stop at the hash marks, and throw the puck away to nobody, or the other team.

I'm done with Nylander.

 

[Kevin Musto]

2 trades I would do for sure.

I trade Strome to Detroit for AA (plus whatever needs to go each way).

I trade Lehner (if he is not signing) or Crow + Gus to Car for Toronto's 1st.

BK, I respect you but you're a f***ing idiot if you want to trade Strome for AA.

We're talking about a 25 year old who has only hit 50 points once and is abysmal defensively.

AA is basically Strome except you're trading talent and age for speed. Not worth it. You're overvaluing speed.

 

[BK]

I have seen far more dumb plays than smart plays.

Seems like you are just not seeing it. Stupid plays stand out more than consistent smart plays.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Seems like you are just not seeing it. Stupid plays stand out more than consistent smart plays.

That's because smart plays are expected. Guys with good hockey IQ rarely make dumb plays.

 

[BK]

BK, I respect you but you're a ****ing idiot if you want to trade Strome for AA.

We're talking about a 25 year old who has only hit 50 points once and is abysmal defensively.

AA is basically Strome except you're trading talent and age for speed. Not worth it. You're overvaluing speed.

Strome has been pure shit this season. AA is highly talented and has speed. Speed is more important than ever. Strome's effort is very concerning.

 

[ChiHawks10]

It isn't all about it, no. Positioning isn't hard, a 7 year old can learn that. The only plays I see him making are burst into the ops end at the side boards, stop at the hash marks, and throw the puck away to nobody, or the other team.

I'm done with Nylander.

Uhhh... you ever watch 7 year olds play hockey?

Kids don't really start to understand positioning and even their own position, until like peewees. And even then, they still don't fully grasp it. If I had a dollar for how many times I've watched my nephews as squirts and peewees, and all 5 guys are in a corner, or along the boards in the neutral zone, or D are standing around down in front of the net in the offensive zone, I'd be rich. They understand there are positions, and generally where you need to be, but there's no real focus on positioning in their minds. They're all zoned in on the puck at those ages.

 

[BK]

That's because smart plays are expected. Guys with good hockey IQ rarely make dumb plays.

Exactly. He makes way more than you think he does due to his positioning.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Uhhh... you ever watch 7 year olds play hockey?

Kids don't really start to understand positioning and even their own position, until like peewees. And even then, they still don't fully grasp it. If I had a dollar for how many times I've watched my nephews as squirts and peewees, and all 5 guys are in a corner, or along the boards in the neutral zone, or D are standing around down in front of the net in the offensive zone, I'd be rich. They understand there are positions, and generally where you need to be, but there's no real focus on positioning in their minds.

I was being factitious.

 

[BK]

It isn't all about it, no. Positioning isn't hard, a 7 year old can learn that. The only plays I see him making are burst into the ops end at the side boards, stop at the hash marks, and throw the puck away to nobody, or the other team.

I'm done with Nylander.

No just no. Positioning is a huge weakness for a lot of players. Positioning includes the angles you take as well.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I was being factitious.

You were definitely not being factitious.

And being facetious(which is what I think you mean) does nothing to help your argument... so...

 

[Hawkaholic]

You were definitely not being factitious.

And being facetious(which is what I think you mean) does nothing to help your argument... so...

Yeah, spell check corrected to the wrong word, and I didn't read it over.

I was over exaggerating, and I don't need help with my argument, Nylander being dumb makes it for me.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Yeah, spell check corrected to the wrong word, and I didn't read it over.

I was over exaggerating, and I don't need help with my argument, Nylander being dumb makes it for me.

 

[Hawkaholic]

No just no. Positioning is a huge weakness for a lot of players. Positioning includes the angles you take as well.

OK, whatever, you believe he is a good player, and keep believing that. maybe some day it will come true. For the the Hawks sake, I hope it does, but I certainly don't see it right now. He sucks.