Speculation: 2019/20 NHL trade deadline thread (rumors, ideas, & deals)

[Blackhawkswincup]

Alex Nylander is a poor man's Marcel Hossa

Same crappy offense as Marcel but a worse defender

If his name was Alex Mitchell he would be in AHL already on fast track to playing in some Swiss or German league in a year or two

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Alex Nylander is a poor man's Marcel Hossa

Same crappy offense as Marcel but a worse defender

If his name was Alex Mitchell he would be in AHL already on fast track to playing in some Swiss or German league in a year or two

On what planet is Nylander bad defensively?
He's weak on the boards, but besides that he's a plus defender. He's good on the forecheck and backcheck.

 

[Styles]

He had 9 in 12 before the scheme change. Just looked it up.

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[Kaners Bald Spot]

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Ok I stand corrected.

 

[tgh]

He did, but the line was performing like crap, and it wasn't because of Nylander.

Okay, thought so. Love that user name and photo you've got going by the way. Cheers.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Okay, thought so. Love that user name and photo you've got going by the way. Cheers.

Kane and Nylander have played together since, had good chemistry but JC has been reluctant to leave him up there.

 

[Hawkey]

TT always showed signs of talent, but he was frail and needed to adjust to playing in the NHL. He’s likely put on size with age and adjusted to the NHL game.

Nylander has NHL size, the problem with him is he has shown no sign of talent, drive or hockey IQ to suggest there is untapped potential.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

TT always showed signs of talent, but he was frail and needed to adjust to playing in the NHL. He’s likely put on size with age and adjusted to the NHL game.

Nylander has NHL size, the problem with him is he has shown no sign of talent, drive or hockey IQ to suggest there is untapped potential.

Disagree on both players, but whatever.

 

[tgh]

Kane and Nylander have played together since, had good chemistry but JC has been reluctant to leave him up there.

Right, another brilliant move by JC. I keep forgetting that Nylander is only 21 years old.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Right, another brilliant move by JC. I keep forgetting that Nylander is only 21 years old.

If the Hawks sell, I hope that they make Nylander-Dach-Kane a line and leave it alone for the remainder of the season.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

If the Hawks sell, I hope that they make Nylander-Dach-Kane a line and leave it alone for the remainder of the season.

Ya, remove Saad from that line and make the 19 year old do all the heavy lifting on that line. That should be great for him.

 

[GaryU]

He had 9 in 12 before the scheme change. Just looked it up.

Yah, it was the scheme. Though I must admit, I saw Nylander try to win some board battles last night. Most of the time he wears board repellent.

 

[ChiHawks10]

TT always showed signs of talent, but he was frail and needed to adjust to playing in the NHL. He’s likely put on size with age and adjusted to the NHL game.

Nylander has NHL size, the problem with him is he has shown no sign of talent, drive or hockey IQ to suggest there is untapped potential.

Wait, what?

There is plenty of talent and IQ there. The only thing you have right is his drive... it's the one thing keeping him from being a great top 6 player in the NHL.

 

[tgh]

If the Hawks sell, I hope that they make Nylander-Dach-Kane a line and leave it alone for the remainder of the season.

Sounds good to me and put Saad back with Toews.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Ya, remove Saad from that line and make the 19 year old do all the heavy lifting on that line. That should be great for him.

Don't think Dach would have any problems doing the heavy lifting on that line.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Don't think Dach would have any problems doing the heavy lifting on that line.

What's with the narrative that Nylander is bad on D? Like I said he's weak on the boards but otherwise solid.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Don't think Dach would have any problems doing the heavy lifting on that line.

Is that what's best for his development right now though?

 

[ChiHawks10]

What's with the narrative that Nylander is bad on D? Like I said he's weak on the boards but otherwise solid.

No idea. He doesn't seem to like playing on the boards, but he's not bad defensively. It's just a narrative. Just like your assertion that Cat and Strome are bad defensively when neither of them are.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Is that what's best for his development right now though?

I don't really think you can hurt his development at this point...

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

No idea. He doesn't seem to like playing on the boards, but he's not bad defensively. It's just a narrative. Just like your assertion that Cat and Strome are bad defensively.

Cat isn't necessarily bad, he just gets pushed around physically. Strome isn't either, but he can't skate well enough to cover his area. They're not necessarily bad, but enough of a liability that it gets annoying when they don't score for long stretches.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

No idea. He doesn't seem to like playing on the boards, but he's not bad defensively. It's just a narrative. Just like your assertion that Cat and Strome are bad defensively when neither of them are.

Or his narrative that TT and Nylander are exactly the same and people thought TT was a bust.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Not really, I just don't label players unless they deserve it. Cat and Strome haven't had an opportunity in the playoffs yet so to call them non-playoff performers is one of the dumbest things I've seen. Remember when people said Panarin wasn't a playoff performer?

For starters, very few said Panarin wasn't a playoff performer. He was PPG against STL and no one showed up against NSH the following year.

I specifically said that not showing up in these games before the TDL does NOT mean they won't show up in the playoffs. No one will know that for sure until they play playoff games. All I was saying is that these upcoming games are (arguably) the most important games of some of these guys careers. If they don't play well it makes me question whether or not they can be the type of player that elevates their game in the postseason.

If you don't see that as a legitimate concern then I guess you just don't see it. But it's far from some meathead correlation like you're trying to make it out to be.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Cat isn't necessarily bad, he just gets pushed around physically. Strome isn't either, but he can't skate well enough to cover his area. They're not necessarily bad, but enough of a liability that it gets annoying when they don't score for long stretches.

Cat doesn't really get pushed around at all, either. Cat's shooting % is down, and he is making bone-headed plays, but the whole team is doing the same thing making bone-headed plays. He has had a rough year, but he's not bad defensively. He's average, at worst.

Strome isn't bad either, but he doesn't need to skate well to cover his area. He's been playing wing, has he not? All he needs to do is cover the point, and the boards from the hash marks up. Strome looked fine prior to his ankle injury(with the exception of his first 10 or so games), and he's likely still nursing that injury, and not 100%, so I'm not going to rail on him at all.

 

[x Tame Impala]

edit nvm

 

[RememberTheRoar]

I know I brought it up before, but now that this team is pretty much out of the playoffs and what matters is getting guys right for next year, would you put DeBrincat with Toews and Kubalik?

DeBrincat has played well with Toews in the past, and maybe being with those two will spark him to finish the season on a positive note. Obviously, DeBrincat is much more important in the long term than Caggiula is, so I'd like to see them try to spark something in DeBrincat.

If it works, next year looks like

DeBrincat-Toews-Kubalik
Saad-Dach-Kane
??-Strome-??
??-??-??

That's not a bad formula, and you still have some offense on the third line. I think Strome would do better with some bigger bodies with speed and who can grind, and you can find those guys for him during the offeseason. Also, Kane could double shift down to Strome's line from time to time.

I think this is how I'd try to set it up going into next season, assuming there are no major shakeups of course.