Salary Cap: 2019-20 - Leafs Salary Cap issues and adjustments?

[sittler rules!!!]

Dubas will not lose a good young player over a 41yr old on a 1yr deal.

Dubas is a mistake!!!!

 

[Funk21]

Why would it cost us an asset if it's a dream scenario to an acquiring team needing to reach the cap minimum? contingent on PM agreeing of course.

Because no team is just going to help out the TML out of the goodness of their heart. Sure it will help a team like Zona or Ottawa but they want something in return.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Because no team is just going to help out the TML out of the goodness of their heart. Sure it will help a team like Zona or Ottawa but they want something in return.

If it helps Zona or Ottawa, then is it not getting that help that is what is in return

 

[ACC1224]

Hahaah yep. The Muskoka 5 was a term of endearment right?

I love how people just twist history.

I thought that was Simmons or Cox, one of the media who came up with the name?

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Not trying to equate anything.
You have a very odd perception of this, just calling you on it.

Zeke, who often presents himself as the King of Empirical Stats, has jumped the fence and it now he's demonstrating the whimsical phenomenon known as Wishful Fan Thinking.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

but he is an ahole if he forces the team to trade away a good young longterm piece just so he can skate one more year on the 4th line in his 40s. no two ways about that.

I can see several examples of players demonstrating altruistic motives on the Leafs team this year. Nylander and Matthews taking team friendly below market value contracts to name two...

 

[zeke]

I can see several examples of players demonstrating altruistic motives on the Leafs team this year. Nylander and Matthews taking team friendly below market value contracts to name two...

but Marleau wouldn't be sacrificing any money either.

 

[zeke]

Zeke, who often presents himself as the King of Empirical Stats, has jumped the fence and it now he's demonstrating the whimsical phenomenon known as Wishful Fan Thinking.

there is nothing wishful about understanding that most players do not invoke their no trade clauses aside from very particular circumstances.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

but Marleau wouldn't be sacrificing any money either.

Yes he would. As others have pointed out to you above since he has a 35+ contract he would have to retire at or before June 30th which would preclude him from getting next year's salary and signing bonus. As was also pointed out to you above, there is little/no motivation cap wise for another team to buy him out nor is there any motivation on Marleau's part to go to a bottom feeder.

You're in denial.

 

[zeke]

the leafs have traded away so many players with ntc/nmcs....and people are still pretending that this is some kind of unsurmountable barrier just because it suits their agenda.

 

[zeke]

Yes he would. As others have pointed out to you above since he has a 35+ contract he would have to retire at or before June 30th which would preclude him from getting next year's salary and signing bonus. As was also pointed out to you above, there is little/no motivation cap wise for another team to buy him out nor is there any motivation on Marleau's part to go to a bottom feeder.

You're in denial.

why would he have to retire?

 

[57 Years No Cup]

why would he have to retire?

Read the last part of that post again.

 

[zeke]

Reality: Leafs have traded away countless nmc/ntc players.

Objective Leaf Fans: "But this one is different I swears!"

 

[Buds17]

the leafs have traded away so many players with ntc/nmcs....and people are still pretending that this is some kind of unsurmountable barrier just because it suits their agenda.

It depends on which players you are referring to.

They traded away Kessel and Phaneuf (restrictive NTCs, but not NMCs), but they were "scorching earth". The Leafs also weren't competitive when they were able to trade away the likes of McCabe, Kubina and Kaberle, which could also explain why they were willing to waive.

Marleau could agree to waive his NMC, and the Leafs could very well want that, but this situation doesn't really sound like any of the aforementioned to be all that certain of it.

 

[Legion34]

Yes he would. As others have pointed out to you above since he has a 35+ contract he would have to retire at or before June 30th which would preclude him from getting next year's salary and signing bonus. As was also pointed out to you above, there is little/no motivation cap wise for another team to buy him out nor is there any motivation on Marleau's part to go to a bottom feeder.

You're in denial.

Huh?

He can retire any time he wants?

If marleau collected the money from Toronto and was traded to Arizona they would have his cap hit.

Then he retires from Arizona and they absorb the hit. But didn’t pay the money

 

[zeke]

It depends on which players you are referring to.

They traded away Kessel and Phaneuf (restrictive NTCs, but not NMCs), but they were "scorching earth". The Leafs also weren't competitive when they were able to trade away the likes of McCabe, Kubina and Kaberle, which could also explain why they were willing to waive.

Marleau could agree to waive his NMC, and the Leafs could very well want that, but this situation doesn't really sound like any of the aforementioned to be all that certain of it.

when was the last time a top team had an old guy refuse to waive his Ntc with only a year left on his deal, forcing them to trade away a good young asset instead?

 

[ACC1224]

It depends on which players you are referring to.

They traded away Kessel and Phaneuf (restrictive NTCs, but not NMCs), but they were "scorching earth". The Leafs also weren't competitive when they were able to trade away the likes of McCabe, Kubina and Kaberle, which could also explain why they were willing to waive.

Marleau could agree to waive his NMC, and the Leafs could very well want that, but this situation doesn't really sound like any of the aforementioned to be all that certain of it.

This is the reality of it, rest is just wishful thinking.
Wishes are for fairy tales, IMO.

 

[ACC1224]

when was the last time a top team had an old guy refuse to waive his Ntc with only a year left on his deal, forcing them to trade away a good young asset instead?

Exactly, provide examples if this is so frequently done.

 

[member 300185]

what? NMC's are more often not invoked than invoked. where do people get this idea that players always invoke their NMC?

Because of Sundin the traitor.

 

[Buds17]

when was the last time a top team had an old guy refuse to waive his Ntc with only a year left on his deal, forcing them to trade away a good young asset instead?

I'm admittedly drawing a blank. Is it necessarily true that any trade of a good young asset is entirely motivated by the Marleau contract though? We obviously have Marner, Kapanen and Johnsson currently unsigned, but that could be for more than that reason, no?

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Huh?

He can retire any time he wants?

If marleau collected the money from Toronto and was traded to Arizona they would have his cap hit.

Then he retires from Arizona and they absorb the hit. But didn’t pay the money

No.

 

[Legion34]

No.

That’s news to me. Why do you think that? Marleau going away for his last year has been a topic for 3 years... I have never heard a reason why they hat wouldn’t be legal

 

[ACC1224]

That’s news to me. Why do you think that? Marleau going away for his last year has been a topic for 3 years... I have never heard a reason why they hat wouldn’t be legal

IMO, Marleau has no interest in retiring.
He's closing in on most NHL games played record.

 

[Legion34]

IMO, Marleau has no interest in retiring.
He's closing in on most NHL games played record.

Sure. But why would it be illegal?

 

[ACC1224]

Sure. But why would it be illegal?

Sorry, I guess I jumped in the middle of your chat.
He would be allowed to retire, doubtful that is on his radar.