Speculation: 2019-20 Expected Blackhawks Roster Part II

[Pez68]

he plays on the Jets 3rd line with Bryan Little...

Yeah, I know where he plays, and with whom.

I'm just giving my opinion on what I think he is. Is a 20-25 point player really a 3rd liner? I guess so...

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Yeah, I know where he plays, and with whom.

I'm just giving my opinion on what I think he is. Is a 20-25 point player really a 3rd liner? I guess so...

He’d probably be a complimentary third liner with a guy like Saad, but not a play driving third liner, right?

 

[ColdSteel2]

Yeah, I know where he plays, and with whom.

I'm just giving my opinion on what I think he is. Is a 20-25 point player really a 3rd liner? I guess so...

Sure, 30 points is a tad low, but:

-Turns out more hits than Motown
-Great PKer
-Draws penalties, doesn’t take a lot of dumb penalties
-100% effort every shift

He’s a tone setter for getting the rest of the team to commit to 2-way hard nosed play.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Also, if a good two-way guy next to DeBrincat and Strome is important, why is Saad not being put there or considered in our lineup predictions?

 

[AmericanDream]

Yeah, I know where he plays, and with whom.

I'm just giving my opinion on what I think he is. Is a 20-25 point player really a 3rd liner? I guess so...

well he plays in the Jets top 9, a deeper team than us, I just found your he is just a 4th liner comment a bit odd. Tanev is underutilized on that team, and though he likely isn't ever going to hit over 20 goals in a season, he adds far more value overall to a teams forward group. kid is a buzzsaw/puck hound, exactly what this team needs more of IMO.

 

[BK]

Yeah, I know where he plays, and with whom.

I'm just giving my opinion on what I think he is. Is a 20-25 point player really a 3rd liner? I guess so...

Here is my production scale with overlap in the middle 6 and top 6 depending their role.

1st line: 50-plus
2nd line: 40-60
3rd line: 20-40
4th line: 0-20

 

[Pez68]

He’d probably be a complimentary third liner with a guy like Saad, but not a play driving third liner, right?

Pretty much that. He's definitely a guy you give tough matchups to.

well he plays in the Jets top 9, a deeper team than us, I just found your he is just a 4th liner comment a bit odd. Tanev is underutilized on that team, and though he likely isn't ever going to hit over 20 goals in a season, he adds far more value overall to a teams forward group. kid is a buzzsaw/puck hound, exactly what this team needs more of IMO.

He's basically a shutdown winger. I don't know that he's underutilized, as he doesn't have much offensive chops. He's certainly something the Hawks need more of.

 

[Drumman44]

____-Toews-Kane
Cat-Strome-_____
Saad-____-Sikura
_____-Kampf-Kahun

Best duos (IMO) this season. Keep them together, fill in the blanks internally or via FA.

My take:

Dzingel - Toews - Kane
Debrincat - Strome - TBD (Let one of the kids audition for this spot)
Saad - Anisimov / Barrat (if he's ready) - Sikura
Tanev - Kampf - Kahun

Keith - Jokiharju
Sergachev - Murphy
Gustafsson - Seabrook (3rd pairing minutes, PP specialist role for Gus)

Crawford
Delia

UFA's:
If Dzingel isn't thrown a suitcase full of money from Columbus, I would love to see him in Chicago.
I know Tanev is only a low-rent Mark Stone but he would definitely bring a lot of improvement to the PK and could be available as a UFA.

Trades:
Ever since @ColdSteel2 suggested a Sergachev trade, I can't get it out of my mind. If the Hawks end up picking at 12, then the available players are all a tier below Turcotte / Boldy and will take a while to make the big show. Meanwhile, Kane and Toews are at the peak now and the pick could be better served as a vehicle to trade for an effective D man.

I would trade Krys and the pick to get a known Top 4 LHD back in return. I might even be convinced to take on the last year of Callahan's contract in the process.

 

[Pez68]

I'm not sure why Tanev would be available though? He isn't going to cost much, and Winnipeg would certainly like to have him back.

 

[AmericanDream]

Pretty much that. He's definitely a guy you give tough matchups to.



He's basically a shutdown winger. I don't know that he's underutilized, as he doesn't have much offensive chops. He's certainly something the Hawks need more of.

I guess if you look at a guy like Caggiula, who thinks he is a first line player? But, we gave him a shot to play with Kane and Toews because that is the type of player that is needed there and he will benefit from it. I think Tanev can be used exactly like that with Cat and Strome..Tanev never sees top 6 minutes on the Jets, they have too much talent to spread around as is..so underutilized in the sense that he is buried on the third line which isn't a bad thing as like you said he plays his role perfect. I just think he has a bit more to offer/show and the team that lands him wisely will give him that chance.

 

[Drumman44]

I'm not sure why Tanev would be available though? He isn't going to cost much, and Winnipeg would certainly like to have him back.

Agreed, I just think Laine and Connor's extensions will gobble up what's left of their cap space.

 

[AmericanDream]

I'm not sure why Tanev would be available though? He isn't going to cost much, and Winnipeg would certainly like to have him back.

they have a number of kids fighting for jobs namely Roslovic who needs more minutes, plus if they dare try and keep Trouba and or when they sign Laine and Connor, just no room left for a luxury like him. I think they try and keep him, but Tanev probably sees this as his one shot to get a bigger contract with the style of game he plays.

 

[ColdSteel2]

I'm not sure why Tanev would be available though? He isn't going to cost much, and Winnipeg would certainly like to have him back.

Well, they probably could bring him back if they really wanted too, but they have young guys up front that need ice time. Could probably just hand his spot to Vesalainen.

 

[BobbyJet]

they have a number of kids fighting for jobs namely Roslovic who needs more minutes, plus if they dare try and keep Trouba and or when they sign Laine and Connor, just no room left for a luxury like him. I think they try and keep him, but Tanev probably sees this as his one shot to get a bigger contract with the style of game he plays.

I agree with Pez68. Jets need to re-sign this guy. They need his grit.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

I guess if you look at a guy like Caggiula, who thinks he is a first line player? But, we gave him a shot to play with Kane and Toews because that is the type of player that is needed there and he will benefit from it. I think Tanev can be used exactly like that with Cat and Strome..Tanev never sees top 6 minutes on the Jets, they have too much talent to spread around as is..so underutilized in the sense that he is buried on the third line which isn't a bad thing as like you said he plays his role perfect. I just think he has a bit more to offer/show and the team that lands him wisely will give him that chance.

I think Pez is saying there’s a difference between calling someone a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd liner and saying a guy can compliment a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd line.

 

[AmericanDream]

I think Pez is saying there’s a difference between calling someone a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd liner and saying a guy can compliment a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd line.

I understand that, but what he does as is, is a 3rd line player - I think there is more in the tank for the guy as well but that is just my opinion.

 

[AmericanDream]

the problem is this, we know we need a few better forwards that can play a 200ft game...so how do you get them? outside of trading away our youth or hoping on some of them taking massive leaps for next year, you have to look at the UFA market. Unfortunately that means anytime you are getting players from the UFA market you will be overpaying in one form or another unless they are 38 years old and on their last legs or pure reclamation projects coming off of injury...so no matter who we get we either have to trade away precious young talent or overpay some to bring in 1-2 solid UFAs...I don't see another way to do it if we truly want to compete next year.

 

[Pez68]

Any hockey player with good hockey IQ and skating ability...is capable of playing a 200 ft. game. ESPECIALLY as a winger. It is almost 100% desire based. You develop them from within. You sit down with a few of your hopefuls for next season, and tell them you are expecting excellent two-way play from them coming into camp and preseason. If they don't show that, they aren't going to make this team. Period.

 

[ColdSteel2]

IMO, it would be preferable to have that tone setter doing it with them. “See that guy, that’s what we expect from the rest of you.”

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Any hockey player with good hockey IQ and skating ability...is capable of playing a 200 ft. game. ESPECIALLY as a winger. It is almost 100% desire based. You develop them from within. You sit down with a few of your hopefuls for next season, and tell them you are expecting excellent two-way play from them coming into camp and preseason. If they don't show that, they aren't going to make this team. Period.

Yes, god no more one-way prospects. Please!

Also, there’s a certain amount of strength necessary to play a complete game, and I have no problem sending away guys who lack that strength, or lack the desire to use the strength they do have.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Thoughts on Garnet Hathaway for 4th line RW spot?

Can PK , Can hit and is solid all around 4th liner can also contribute a little bit offensively

Hathaway = 70 GP with 10 goals + 6 assists for 16 pts

Hell he isn't that far off from Tanev totals with less TOI , Playing with less skilled talent in Flames bottom 6 and in less games

Tanev = 76 GP with 13 goals + 12 assists for 25 pts

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Thoughts on Garnet Hathaway for 4th line RW spot?

Can PK , Can hit and is solid all around 4th liner can also contribute a little bit offensively

Hathaway = 70 GP with 10 goals + 6 assists for 16 pts

Hell he isn't that far off from Tanev totals with less TOI , Playing with less skilled talent in Flames bottom 6 and in less games

Tanev = 76 GP with 13 goals + 12 assists for 25 pts

Sounds like a solid 4th liner, I’d be fine with it.

What do you think he’d cost?

 

[Pez68]

Yes, god no more one-way prospects. Please!

Also, there’s a certain amount of strength necessary to play a complete game, and I have no problem sending away guys who lack that strength, or lack the desire to use the strength they do have.

Here's the issue. Most prospects are one-way players because, unless they choose to play a 200 ft. game early on, nobody is going to force them to do it. They are the rock stars on every team they play on throughout their youth hockey career. Very few coaches in youth hockey are trying to change how their best players play the game. They are worried about the other 19 kids on the team, and how to make them better, so they can win games.

How many of the best two-way players in the game are top 10 picks? One or two maybe? These guys get where they do because they produce. Playing a 200 ft. game just slows them down.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Here's the issue. Most prospects are one-way players because, unless they choose to play a 200 ft. game early on, nobody is going to force them to do it. They are the rock stars on every team they play on throughout their youth hockey career. Very few coaches in youth hockey are trying to change how their best players play the game. They are worried about the other 19 kids on the team, and how to make them better, so they can win games.

How many of the best two-way players in the game are top 10 picks? One or two maybe? These guys get where they do because they produce. Playing a 200 ft. game just slows them down.

So how do you change that?

Shouldn’t you expect most of your 3rd round guys and later to be working hard to develop a two-way game since their offense alone wasn’t enough to get drafted high?

 

[BobbyJet]

Here's the issue. Most prospects are one-way players because, unless they choose to play a 200 ft. game early on, nobody is going to force them to do it. They are the rock stars on every team they play on throughout their youth hockey career. Very few coaches in youth hockey are trying to change how their best players play the game. They are worried about the other 19 kids on the team, and how to make them better, so they can win games.

How many of the best two-way players in the game are top 10 picks? One or two maybe? These guys get where they do because they produce. Playing a 200 ft. game just slows them down.

Exactly. Duclair was the prime example for Hawks.