Speculation: 2019-20 Expected Blackhawks Roster Part II

[Pez68]

I have seen several people talking about Kahun being the 13th forward on this team, with guys like Perlini or Caggiula playing ahead of him. That's f***ing absurd. After Toews and Saad, Kahun is probably the best two-way forward on this team. If he doesn't have a place in the top six, he's absolutely a third liner.

And what's the infatuation with Dzingel? He's another guy that puts in zero effort in the defensive zone. No thank you.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

I have seen several people talking about Kahun being the 13th forward on this team, with guys like Perlini or Caggiula playing ahead of him. That's ****ing absurd. After Toews and Saad, Kahun is probably the best two-way forward on this team. If he doesn't have a place in the top six, he's absolutely a third liner.

And what's the infatuation with Dzingel? He's another guy that puts in zero effort in the defensive zone. No thank you.

I don’t know, I think Kahun is better than Perlini and Caggiula, but I guess I haven’t seen all the other posters disagreeing with that.

I guess I, and a lot of other people, have the interpretation of Dzingel’s game 100% wrong. Definitely don’t need another guy with no defensive effort.

 

[hawksfan50]

For those who wanted Panarun back:

Last 12 GP ZERO goals (6a)
Last 16GP 1 goal (9a)..


Yikes!!!

 

[Pez68]

Dzingel is 27. This is his best season, by far. Of course, it's also the season he turns UFA(red flag #1). He has consistently been a minus player, at almost all competitive levels(red flag #2). He's only about 190 lbs. at 6'0, and plays smaller than that, IMO.

Last season, he put up 33 points at even strength. Kahun, this season, has put up 32, in less games. And is a plus player on an equally terrible defensive team.

Even if Dzingel is the player we have seen this season(I don't think he is), whatever production he gives you at even strength over a guy like Kahun, is washed out by the goals his line is giving up....

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Dzingel is 27. This is his best season, by far. Of course, it's also the season he turns UFA(red flag #1). He has consistently been a minus player, at almost all competitive levels(red flag #2). He's only about 190 lbs. at 6'0, and plays smaller than that, IMO.

Last season, he put up 33 points at even strength. Kahun, this season, has put up 32, in less games. And is a plus player on an equally terrible defensive team.

Even if Dzingel is the player we have seen this season(I don't think he is), whatever production he gives you at even strength over a guy like Kahun, is washed out by the goals his line is giving up....

Good points. If Kahun can make the better two-way impact, he should stick with DeBrincat and Strome until a real upgrade comes along

 

[Hawkaholic]

Yeah, I am also puzzled by the infatuation with Dzingel.

 

[Pez68]

I personally think Dzingel is much closer to a 40-45 point player, than a 60 point player. I really don't think he's a good two-way player at all, and he's certainly not what I would call physical or hard to play against. His giveaway/takeaway stats are bad. His advanced stats even relative to Ottawa players, are trash.

I don't think he's anything close to what the Hawks need.

And, he's likely going to be overpaid by a whole bunch. I hope the Hawks aren't the ones overpaying him. Hopefully someone like Edmonton.

 

[Kevin Musto]

I think y'all really need to consider Kubalik before all these UFAs. He could come in next season and be a 40 point player. I'm on board with another 2 way player like Tanev, but we don't need to acquire any offensive forwards. Scoring is simply not an issue.

Caggiula-Toews-Kane
DeBrincat-Strome-Perlini
Saad-Barratt-Tanev
Kubalik-Kampf-Kahun
Sikura
(trade AA)

That's pretty much all we need for forwards. Kurashev could even push for a spot. Maybe an outside chance Entwistle does.

There isn't a huge need for UFA forwards.

 

[AmericanDream]

Dzingel is not bad away from the puck, he isn't a savior, but he is far from bad. Playing for Ottawa will skew much of that. He is a solid top 6 player that has improved statistically every season since he entered the league, UFA or no UFA, he has proven himself far more than Kahun. I wouldn't go crazy trying to get him, but $6 mil and under is a hell yeah from me as bringing him in allows us more flexibility in our top 9 which we are seeing right now. When the big boys slump, no one else right now can step up, Dzingel helps balance that out IMO.

 

[Pez68]

He's not good away from the puck. There's a reason he never played center at the pro level. Improved statistically? I mean, he's having a career year, so yeah. His possession metrics have gone nowhere but down. He's also noticeably less physical now than when he first came up. I'm not a fan.

 

[BK]

Dzingel is not bad away from the puck, he isn't a savior, but he is far from bad. Playing for Ottawa will skew much of that. He is a solid top 6 player that has improved statistically every season since he entered the league, UFA or no UFA, he has proven himself far more than Kahun. I wouldn't go crazy trying to get him, but $6 mil and under is a hell yeah from me as bringing him in allows us more flexibility in our top 9 which we are seeing right now. When the big boys slump, no one else right now can step up, Dzingel helps balance that out IMO.

Dzingel is a middle 6 player imo.

 

[Pez68]

He's just not what the Hawks need. He has been one of Ottawa's worst possession forwards pretty much every season. He doesn't pass the eye test, either. He's a very one-dimensional player, and he's not even great at that.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Dzingel is a middle 6 player imo.

Is he basically on par with Kahun?

Also, I’m all for Kahun playing alongside DeBrincat and Strome if he can bring a strong two-way game. I just want a two-way guy next to them, I don’t care what name is on the back of the sweater.

Obviously I was misguided in thinking Dzingel was that guy, but that’s why I usually defer to some of you guys when it comes to on-ice player evaluations.

 

[BK]

Is he basically on par with Kahun?

Also, I’m all for Kahun playing alongside DeBrincat and Strome if he can bring a strong two-way game. I just want a two-way guy next to them, I don’t care what name is on the back of the sweater.

Obviously I was misguided in thinking Dzingel was that guy, but that’s why I usually defer to some of you guys when it comes to on-ice player evaluations.

I am a Kahun fan and think he fits well with Cat/Strome (they produced really well with him on their line).

I am all for signing Dzingel but we need to be honest on what he is. He is not a star or a player who carries play. I would sign him to play in the middle 6 so the team could maximize depth.

 

[Pez68]

The problem is, he isn't going to have a middle six price tag. He's going to cost $5-6M. Possibly more.

 

[featherhawk]

Also don’t see the need for dzingal unless we are giving up on perlini.

If Tanev is such a good pker the. I don’t mind the acquisition however paying a pk specialist 2+ mill let alone 3 is something we have already done with Kruger and that did not work out all that well.

I too would like to see kubalik get a chance prior to splashing too much money in the FA market o. More than one guy. I mean we are not cup contenders next year so let’s see what the kids can do.

??????-toews-Kane
Debrincat-strome-?????
Saad-??????-Tanev
Kahun-kampf-??????

?????= cagguila, perlini, Barrett, kurashev, kubalik, Sikura, highmore

Seems one of Barrett or kurashev would need to be 3c, unless cagguila can play c and that would be an interesting 3rd line

 

[BK]

The problem is, he isn't going to have a middle six price tag. He's going to cost $5-6M. Possibly more.

Anyone who pays more is taking a huge risk.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

The problem is, he isn't going to have a middle six price tag. He's going to cost $5-6M. Possibly more.

Well that’s why AD has been beating the Tanev drum as he will be a middle 6 guy with a middle 6 price tag.

Do you think that’s the better fit? And do you think he’s better than Sikura and Perlini?

 

[Pez68]

I think the Hawks need to instill in all the potential prospects for next season that....they are looking for strong two-way play, and taking care of the defensive zone. If you're not going to play that way, you are quite simply not making this team. It needs to be stressed over, and over, and over again. It is time to start DEVELOPING strong two-way players. Because they are almost impossible to find on the open market.

 

[AmericanDream]

He's not good away from the puck. There's a reason he never played center at the pro level. Improved statistically? I mean, he's having a career year, so yeah. His possession metrics have gone nowhere but down. He's also noticeably less physical now than when he first came up. I'm not a fan.

improved statistically meaning since he came into the league his numbers have gotten better -offensively of course. he isn't just some one year wonder, he has been very consistent in his 3 full years. Also he is a plus player on a good team now, looking at his plus/minus on that shit storm of a team in Ottawa does not tell the story. he is a 40-50 point player, that is not a middle 6 player, that is 2nd line production. he is a second line/top 6 player when put in the right situation. and disagree on him being not good away from the puck, he has never been a bad player away from the puck since his Team Illinois days.

 

[goldenbladz1]

____-Toews-Kane
Cat-Strome-_____
Saad-____-Sikura
_____-Kampf-Kahun

Best duos (IMO) this season. Keep them together, fill in the blanks internally or via FA.

Saad or FA-Toews-Kane
Dcat-Strome-Saad or FA
Kubalik-Kampf-Kahun
Cags-Barrett-Perlini

Bring in one FA forward depending on what type of Forward determines which line to be placed on. Not really high on Sikura.

 

[Pez68]

Well that’s why AD has been beating the Tanev drum as he will be a middle 6 guy with a middle 6 price tag.

Do you think that’s the better fit? And do you think he’s better than Sikura and Perlini?

I think Sikura and Perlini have way more potential. I don't think he's better than them, talent wise. Sikura seems to have a good head for all 200 ft. of the ice surface. Sikura's issue is lack of muscle mass, not his ability, or hockey IQ. If he can put on some muscle in the offseason, I see no reason he can't stick in the top six.

Perlini has the tools, but lacks the IQ. He is, however, oblivious when it comes to two-way hockey it seems... With his size and speed, that's really unacceptable.

Tanev is a better 4th line option, and he's a good PKer. I would not pay a premium for him. He's basically a really good 4th liner. I don't know if he's anything more than that.

 

[AmericanDream]

I think Sikura and Perlini have way more potential. I don't think he's better than them, talent wise. Sikura seems to have a good head for all 200 ft. of the ice surface. Sikura's issue is lack of muscle mass, not his ability, or hockey IQ. If he can put on some muscle in the offseason, I see no reason he can't stick in the top six.

Perlini has the tools, but lacks the IQ. He is, however, oblivious when it comes to two-way hockey it seems... With his size and speed, that's really unacceptable.

Tanev is a better 4th line option, and he's a good PKer. I would not pay a premium for him. He's basically a really good 4th liner. I don't know if he's anything more than that.

he plays on the Jets 3rd line with Bryan Little...

 

[RememberTheRoar]

I think Sikura and Perlini have way more potential. I don't think he's better than them, talent wise. Sikura seems to have a good head for all 200 ft. of the ice surface. Sikura's issue is lack of muscle mass, not his ability, or hockey IQ. If he can put on some muscle in the offseason, I see no reason he can't stick in the top six.

Perlini has the tools, but lacks the IQ. He is, however, oblivious when it comes to two-way hockey it seems... With his size and speed, that's really unacceptable.

Tanev is a better 4th line option, and he's a good PKer. I would not pay a premium for him. He's basically a really good 4th liner. I don't know if he's anything more than that.

Which is why he should be upgraded this offseason, I’m not convinced he has a spot next year unless we really strike out on the UFA and trade market.

If Sikura does improve his strength, that’d be great. But how long do you wait for him to actually do it?

Do you give him this offseason, and that’s it? Or is this a 2-3 year process?

 

[Hawkaholic]

Under 6mil for Dzingel, meaning like you would happy with 5.75mil? Woof. Hell no. I'd be OK with like 4mil max. He's a 40pt guy having a career year. I'd want to see multiple 50-60pt seasons before signing him for anything even close to 6. We have Brandon Saad already at 6mil for a 50pt player, we don't need another Saad who isn't as good defensively.