2019-20-21 Roster Speculation: Neither on- nor off-season edition

[Gabrielor]

Hey.

What would it cost from the NJDevils to acquire the 8th overall pick? We would take Kyle Okposo in the deal as well.

If we were to trade the 8th pick, it would be the fill our biggest need, which is 2C. I don't think there's a deal there between us.

 

[OkimLom]

I am 100% in favor of acquiring EVIL
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after what he did to Naito and LIJ (especially Hiromu) Id rather not. That’s too evil. 2020 has sucked for sure

 

[tsujimoto74]

Hey.

What would it cost from the NJDevils to acquire the 8th overall pick? We would take Kyle Okposo in the deal as well.

Unless you've got a long-term 2C for us, not available.

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

Unless you've got a long-term 2C for us, not available.

Incoming Zacha offer.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Rowley Birkin]

If we were to trade the 8th pick, it would be the fill our biggest need, which is 2C. I don't think there's a deal there between us.

I know that he's seen as a disappointment as former 1OV pick - but how much upside does Hischier have?

I'm not suggesting for a second NJ are looking to move him - but that's the type of return I'd be looking for.

Zacha for 8OV is just not going to cut it - no way no how.

 

[Gabrielor]

I know that he's seen as a disappointment as former 1OV pick - but how much upside does Hischier have?

I'm not suggesting for a second NJ are looking to move him - but that's the type of return I'd be looking for.

Zacha for 8OV is just not going to cut it - no way no how.

I don't want to put words in that poster's mouth, but if he was asking for 8th overall, and trying to entice us with Okposo as a cap dump, chances are he wasn't thinking of any great value back to Buffalo haha.

 

[markpenske]

Who is our current 7th D-man (after Dahlin, Risto, McCabb, Montour, Miller, Joker) ? Borgen, Brison, Fitzgerald, Gilmore, someone else?

 

[Gabrielor]

Who is our current 7th D-man (after Dahlin, Risto, McCabb, Montour, Miller, Joker) ? Borgen, Brison, Fitzgerald, Gilmore, someone else?

Borgen, without a doubt. He's making this team, this year, and will be fighting for the 3rd pair minutes from someone (Miller).

 

[Rowley Birkin]

I don't want to put words in that poster's mouth, but if he was asking for 8th overall, and trying to entice us with Okposo as a cap dump, chances are he wasn't thinking of any great value back to Buffalo haha.

Adding Okposo to your highest value trade piece - essentially to diminish the return - would be very stupid.

I just don't see a deal making sense for both teams there.

If/when the time comes to dump Okposo - we're just going to have to bend over & take it. Hopefully by that time we'll have all the core pieces in place & we'll be able to afford giving up futures as payment.

 

[jc17]

I dont think Okposo is waiving a NTC to go to jersey either.

 

[NJ Fan 12]

Unless you've got a long-term 2C for us, not available.

Instigators talk about this 2C almost daily. Would Wennberg qualify?

 

[jc17]

Instigators talk about this 2C almost daily. Would Wennberg qualify?

I dont think he's good enough to allocate 5 million in cap space to

 

[jc17]

I wonder what type of contract craig smith gets?

 

[TehDoak]

Instigators talk about this 2C almost daily. Would Wennberg qualify?

Wennberg is a "buy cheap" option in terms of assets. He's got a bad contract for his production. He went from just shy of 60 pts to 35 pts, 22 pts, and 22 pts. It can be somewhat explained by his change of usage (went from high Ozone/sheltered starts to 50/50 split between ozone/dzone starts). In looking at it, the likely scenario is C-bus utilizing the under 25 buyout (i'm assuming they are extending this as he turns 26 in September). They pay 1/3rd of his remaining contract (around 5M) split over double the length (6 years).

My guess it'd cost us next to nothing to acquire him. However, would he be a great 2C option? it'd be a risk.

 

[TehDoak]

I wonder what type of contract craig smith gets?

Given a flat cap and limited buyers, probably not a lot. Maybe 4Mx 3-4 years?

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

Adding Okposo to your highest value trade piece - essentially to diminish the return - would be very stupid.

I just don't see a deal making sense for both teams there.

If/when the time comes to dump Okposo - we're just going to have to bend over & take it. Hopefully by that time we'll have all the core pieces in place & we'll be able to afford giving up futures as payment.

If you're trading Okposo, you actually need a replacement in mind as well. He got his bearings as a bottom 6 player in 2019, and was one of the team's most effective forwards this past season. You can't just ship him out and expect some random AHL body/PTO deal/waiver claim to replace his production like you could in 17-18.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

If you're trading Okposo, you actually need a replacement in mind as well. He got his bearings as a bottom 6 player in 2019, and was one of the team's most effective forwards this past season. You can't just ship him out and expect some random AHL body/PTO deal/waiver claim to replace his production like you could in 17-18.

I do agree with this - but let's not pretend it will be an incredibly difficult task to replace him either.

 

[Fezzy126]

If you're trading Okposo, you actually need a replacement in mind as well. He got his bearings as a bottom 6 player in 2019, and was one of the team's most effective forwards this past season. You can't just ship him out and expect some random AHL body/PTO deal/waiver claim to replace his production like you could in 17-18.

Right? I get that he's overpaid, but he was a net positive last year. KO was 4th on the team in individual points/60 at ES (>100 mins):

	Player	Total Points/60
1	Jack Eichel	2.4
2	Sam Reinhart	1.93
3	Victor Olofsson	1.86
4	Kyle Okposo	1.73
5	Marcus Johansson	1.68
6	Conor Sheary	1.5
7	Jeff Skinner	1.45
8	Curtis Lazar	1.42
9	Johan Larsson	1.36
10	Zemgus Girgensons	1.36
11	Jimmy Vesey	1.35
12	Evan Rodrigues	1.24
13	Casey Mittelstadt	1.23
14	Vladimir Sobotka	0.9
15	Michael Frolik	0.82
16	Rasmus Asplund	0.46

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

We basically need a couple of forwards that can contribute at a level above him (or one play-driving center), not in place of him.

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

I do agree with this - but let's not pretend it will be an incredibly difficult task to replace him either.

If the only thing on the shopping list was "Kyle Okposo replacement" I'd agree with you, but we're already in a spot where we need a salary dump (or similarly de-valued asset) like Palat, Gourde, etc to hit in order to fill out the scoring lines, now you have to do that again with limited cap space/assets/prospects, and with an unpopular destination.

It's just an unforced error that you should probably kick down the line a few years, unless you're absolutely crushing the rest of the offseason.

 

[MikeyFlynn]

Unless you've got a long-term 2C for us, not available.

I know that he's seen as a disappointment as former 1OV pick - but how much upside does Hischier have?

I'm not suggesting for a second NJ are looking to move him - but that's the type of return I'd be looking for.

Zacha for 8OV is just not going to cut it - no way no how.

I don't want to put words in that poster's mouth, but if he was asking for 8th overall, and trying to entice us with Okposo as a cap dump, chances are he wasn't thinking of any great value back to Buffalo haha.

I was going to offer this:

Kyle Palmieri + Michael McLeod
for
8th overall + Okposo

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

I was going to offer this:

Kyle Palmieri + Michael McLeod
for
8th overall + Okposo

Buffalo pays 8OA for a little bit of cap relief, and upgrading an effective depth forward into a legit top 6 guy for one season.

Buddy, if that deal doesn't start with Ty Smith...

 

[Jim Bob]

I was going to offer this:

Kyle Palmieri + Michael McLeod
for
8th overall + Okposo

Buffalo counters with Casey Middlestadt and Okposo for 7OV.

 

[tsujimoto74]

I was going to offer this:

Kyle Palmieri + Michael McLeod
for
8th overall + Okposo

A meh prospect and a pending UFA doesn't come close to delivering the kind of value Buffalo needs from that pick.

 

[TehDoak]

Moving 8th overall makes sense in two scenarios:

1. a legit 2nd line center who we can lock up in a cost controlled long term contract. The name that comes to mind in Cirelli.
2. Moving back to the mid 1st round + assets. Given we've bled mid round picks under the previous GM, picking up 2-3 extra 2nd/3rds would be a good thing.