BfantZ
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I thought it was reported that dallas , Tampa and Vegas were the only 3 teams he would sign with and that was why they were the only teams still trying to make a deal .
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hagan88
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I know it would be a lot of moving parts but what would a Three-Way trade look like with Dallas-Ott-Tampa were Dallas ends up with Tyler Johnson (assuming he waves NTC). I think it would be a good way to get a player cheaper than usual and allow Tampa to get some cap space they need for EK. Thats if Dallas is 100% out of the EK race.
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Doesn't sound like Dallas is really out though, but if that did happen and Dallas was out I'd be all for it
hagan88
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Agreed I don't think we are really out that much either. Tampa has to do a lot to navigate the cap and its within division.
Completely possible but I never saw that specific report in my constant twitter refreshes yet. The most credible information that I read is that he is willing to sign with a small number of teams. Heck it wouldnt surprise me if he was willing to sign with Dallas if Methot was sticking around. They are close enough that he is at Methot's wedding today.
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I suspect Ottawa is much more inclined to consider Tampa for a non-extended Karlsson. Ottawa obviously isn't expecting to compete next year. Having to see Karlsson in the division for the next decade, though... That should make that deal a lot harder for them to stomach. Tampa will be a force for a long while with that core (not that they aren't already, but even moreso), and even if Ottawa has a near-perfect rebuild, they'd probably struggle to get through Tampa to ever be a true contender.
That should help to keep the price lower for WC teams. Will it actually, who knows. Dorion is difficult to understand.
That should help to keep the price lower for WC teams. Will it actually, who knows. Dorion is difficult to understand.
He is at Methot's wedding this weekend. Marc will talk him into coming to the Stars...…
Re Dickenson, is the contract one way or two way?
Re Dickenson, is the contract one way or two way?
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Troy McClure
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It helps us know whether the pencil the guy on the NHL or AHL roster.
Yes, helps fans to know where he stands with management, and if he needs waivers, etc.
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One-way vs. two-way has nothing to do with waiver eligibility. This is an in-depth explanation of waiver eligibility: Waivers FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
One-way vs. two-way is simpler than that. For a one-way contract, the player makes the same salary whether he's in the NHL or AHL. For a two-way contract, a player has different salaries for the NHL and AHL. The AHL salary is pretty much always significantly lower than the NHL salary (for example, a $1.000M NHL salary might garner a $100K salary in the AHL on a two-way contract).
But the principle is there - a player on a one-way contract is less likely to be sent down to the AHL, as there is no financial relief (oftentimes the opposite is true). Counteractively, players on one-way contracts are sometimes more likely to slip through waivers, but it usually doesn't have this effect.
Most tweeners, such as Dickinson, prefer the one-way contract significantly. They're guaranteed to get paid more (as in the example, often 5-10x more) and are more likely to stay in the NHL.
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The other thing I think would help us is our first (if included) would be better for Ottawa then Tampas (in 2020)
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So nothing on July 3rd/4th like in recent years. Add the two and make it the 7th, maybe we’ll see something today.
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Troy McClure
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I wonder if this trade stuff goes quiet until closer to the season because Ottawa’s attempts to generate a bidding war seem to have fallen flat.
Troy, you are probably right. PD knows he has to trade EK, but doesn't want to be seen as taking a bad offer, but I doubt he wants EK in training camp after all this.
PD balked at the TDL with Vegas, maybe balked with Dallas, and even TB (although I think that may have been cap issues on the TB side). At some point, he has to pull the trigger, and just before training camp makes sense, although he won't get any better value.
He tried to generate a bid war, but you are right, he doesn't have the cards (See Bob Sturm tweet today) and every other GM knows it.
On the Dallas side, interesting that Nill didn't make an offer to JT. Maybe JT told him of SJ supposed $13M? Maybe he is too conservative to give out 8 years at $11M. Seems like the same with EK if he is talking trade without extension. Yes, he did that with Spezza and it worked out, but if you trade a bunch (even without Miro) for one year of EK, you really must think next year is your only Cup window.
PD balked at the TDL with Vegas, maybe balked with Dallas, and even TB (although I think that may have been cap issues on the TB side). At some point, he has to pull the trigger, and just before training camp makes sense, although he won't get any better value.
He tried to generate a bid war, but you are right, he doesn't have the cards (See Bob Sturm tweet today) and every other GM knows it.
On the Dallas side, interesting that Nill didn't make an offer to JT. Maybe JT told him of SJ supposed $13M? Maybe he is too conservative to give out 8 years at $11M. Seems like the same with EK if he is talking trade without extension. Yes, he did that with Spezza and it worked out, but if you trade a bunch (even without Miro) for one year of EK, you really must think next year is your only Cup window.
JesusNPucks
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Yes, would be much more Nill like to fill a position he really needs (scoring FW) and find a less stubborn trading partner, not to mention, avoid an 8 year, $88-96M deal to a guy who was injured last year.
He will find a GM who isn't unrealistically holding out for Miro. IMHO, a probable 10-12 years of Miro, cost controlled for at least 3 years, as RFA, probably more, is much more valuable than over paying for EK in his prime, or possible just past it. Young hockey players get better, older hockey players get older.....
He can't afford Benn, Seguin and EK all on $10M contracts. Bad cap management, again IMHO.
The Vinny example is a good one. Sometimes you get caught up in an auction, over bidding when there is really a better bauble still sitting off to the side.
That said, I would be excited to get EK for a non Miro package, if he can pull it off.
He will find a GM who isn't unrealistically holding out for Miro. IMHO, a probable 10-12 years of Miro, cost controlled for at least 3 years, as RFA, probably more, is much more valuable than over paying for EK in his prime, or possible just past it. Young hockey players get better, older hockey players get older.....
He can't afford Benn, Seguin and EK all on $10M contracts. Bad cap management, again IMHO.
The Vinny example is a good one. Sometimes you get caught up in an auction, over bidding when there is really a better bauble still sitting off to the side.
That said, I would be excited to get EK for a non Miro package, if he can pull it off.
Troy McClure
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It's also worth remembering Lecavelier was 33 the first year of his big contract, and his production had been down for almost five seasons leading into it. That was teams bidding on a older guy already in obvious decline.
Three guys at ~$10 million contracts isn't a big problem if you trust your draft/development system. With the way the cap keeps creeping up, it's not a big deal unless one of those three guys goes into serious decline.
Three guys at ~$10 million contracts isn't a big problem if you trust your draft/development system. With the way the cap keeps creeping up, it's not a big deal unless one of those three guys goes into serious decline.
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Heika has officially hit rock bottom. He is defending Brett Ritchie right now on Twitter
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Waivers has nothing to do with one or two way contract.
Having a one or two way contract helps you decide on where a guy stands? Not really.. but OK.
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