I don't think it's hindsight at all. Bill should have figured out Jimmy wasn't taking a bridge deal and that trading Brady wasn't an option (if in fact he wanted to but was told no). I'm not saying they had to get the farm from Cleveland. But they absolutely could have gotten more for Jimmy than what they got. Whether from Cleveland or whoever else.
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I don't think it's hindsight at all. Bill should have figured out Jimmy wasn't taking a bridge deal and that trading Brady wasn't an option (if in fact he wanted to but was told no). I'm not saying they had to get the farm from Cleveland. But they absolutely could have gotten more for Jimmy than what they got. Whether from Cleveland or whoever else.
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My football knowledge is average at best, but I like this deal for Cooks. Bill took the #32 pick in 2017 and turned it into the #23 pick in 2018. Bill jumped up 9 spots and it cost him what? If you take out same round picks and Cooks, it basically works out to be 3rd rounder to move up 9 spots. I'd say that's pretty good value.
EverettMike
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Man, I love the anticipation of who the Pats will draft right up until the actual draft happens.
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So the big question I have on Cooks is why was he so underwhelming last year? Was it because he's not actually that dynamic of a player? Or was it because the Pats asked him to play more inside once Julian got hurt, and that role simply doesn't suit his game?
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His production was about 90% of what he put up in NO. What we saw is who he is. Solid but not a game breaker.
Pretty great how Bill traded the 31st for 2 years of Cooks. Then got the 23rd for 1 year of Cooks
I doubt we'll draft up. I think we'll draft OL, DL, LB, QB
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Yes, but what I'm asking is why was that? Was it because the player simply isn't a game breaker? Or because the team asked him to do something other than streaks down the field like he did in NO? If he goes to LA and looks like the guy we saw in NO, is the problem him or the way the Pats used him?
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We saw the same guy who was in NO. He wasn't asked to play a different role, although I'm not sure on all his routes. He averaged more "air yards" per target in 2017 with NE than he did in 2016 with NO.
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He is what he is.
I also question his football IQ a bit. Not because of stats, but because of the play in the SB where he got killed and knocked out of the game screamed lack of football smarts and awareness to me.
They supposedly had extension talks with him that went nowhere, and didn't like him enough to keep him.
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It would cost more than that, unless they were only moving down from 31 to say 33 or 34.
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Was being hyperbolic haha. They better take an O/D line stud with that pick.
Brandon Lloyd had 1,500 yds and 11 TDs with Kyle freaking Orton throwing him the ball in Denver......then goes to the Pats and largely disappears. It happens.
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If they came out of the first with Kolton Miller and Rashaan Evans, or a CB, I would be pretty happy.
As much as Bill moves around in the draft, I believe the only two years they have had two first round picks under him are 2004 and 2012. Both years they kept the firsts and took a defensive player with the higher pick. In 04 they took Wilfork and Ben Watson. In 2012 they took Jones and Hightower.
As usual, NE is hard to predict because they don't seem to rate the players they like the way most publications/experts do. The good news is that generally speaking, the consensus is that the deepest positions are Edge Rushers, QB, CB, LB and the Patriots could use help at all those positions. The bad news is that OT, another area of need, is one of the weakest positions.
Cooks performed almost exactly how I would have expected him to. Where was the upside (i.e. performing wildly better than in NO) coming from? Much better QB/offense? No. Better place to play for passing? Definitely no.
Got a really good year out of him, and dealt him for a high pick after WR contracts exploded and they weren't going to sign him. Well played by the Pats.
Got a really good year out of him, and dealt him for a high pick after WR contracts exploded and they weren't going to sign him. Well played by the Pats.
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I will be surprised if Belichick stays where he is with both first rounders
Rasshaan Evans is an Alabama LB and plays the inside- the Saban angle always in play
They could use a corner and/or T late in first although people do like Garcia a lot from last year's draft and he's been in the system a year
One possibility is move Cannon to LT and try Garcia and others at RT
I'd like to see them grab one of the TE in the second round and of course get QB in the second round
Good backs usually can be found in the third round
Belichick doesn't have a 4 or 5 so get ready moving out of 1st for a second, a third, and a 5th when there are stud players available
Rasshaan Evans is an Alabama LB and plays the inside- the Saban angle always in play
They could use a corner and/or T late in first although people do like Garcia a lot from last year's draft and he's been in the system a year
One possibility is move Cannon to LT and try Garcia and others at RT
I'd like to see them grab one of the TE in the second round and of course get QB in the second round
Good backs usually can be found in the third round
Belichick doesn't have a 4 or 5 so get ready moving out of 1st for a second, a third, and a 5th when there are stud players available
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So this is a pretty interesting, crazy story:
Patriots’ Julian Edelman May Have Thwarted a School Shooting
Patriots’ Julian Edelman May Have Thwarted a School Shooting
Troublesome 85
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Evans and Miller are what I am looking at. Hear they're interested in Mayfield dont see him being around. Im a big Josh Allen guy but he would be around.
Only QB I could see being around is Lamar Jackson. Will have to do more research into QBs but I would rather get Miller and Evans in the 1st then draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd.
Our last 2 drafted QBs are 2nd and I think 3rd rounders who are now starters on other teams.
Only QB I could see being around is Lamar Jackson. Will have to do more research into QBs but I would rather get Miller and Evans in the 1st then draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd.
Our last 2 drafted QBs are 2nd and I think 3rd rounders who are now starters on other teams.
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He's showing up high in a lot of Mocks
The only guarantee I'm going to be sitting on the couch all excited there's 5 or so guys left on board when the Patriots pick at 31 and they'll go to the .00 in time for about 2 minutes of speculation and anticipation. The jingle will play and then Detroit or Tennessee will have the pick and we will find out 10 minutes later the Patriots picked up that teams second and fourth and a seventh.
When the Lions pick acquired comes up all 5 guys will be gone and Belichick will take a secondary stiff to add to the pile of second round misses over the past 15 years
Meanwhile there will be a stud TE that he will pass and be picked by the Eagles at 32
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Troublesome 85
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I want Evans, imagine him and Hightower dominating. Cant remember last time the Pats drafted and athlete like this
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not excited to hear a pick from Rutgers and a defensive back who should have gone in the 4th round?
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I've seen him in numerous top tens, but he would be a phenomenal project to trade up to take and develop.
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