2018 off-season thread

[SnS]

Not sure how'd they be lacking depth?

Tavares is free and Karlsson would cost futures.

The goalie situation is ****ed though for now.

Depth players.

We’d have a more than fine top 6 but our depth would likely be hot garbage. I’ve stated time and time again I wouldn’t commit 10+mil to Jt long term.

 

[Rebels57]

They also signed Keith, Toews and Kane to sweet deals, while we have already committed a good chunk of $ to G and V

Sweet deals?

That Toews contract is one of the worst in the NHL.

Keith contract is good.

Seabrook probably is THEE worst contract.

Bowman did a horrendous job with almost all of the extensions he handed out.

 

[SnS]

I’d rather just keep assets and sign Tavares. No downside

Only if it’s shorter term. I don’t want any ridiculous long term insane contract. I’d rather target a natural winger than another center though.

 

[Rebels57]

Depth players.

We’d have a more than fine top 6 but our depth would likely be hot garbage. I’ve stated time and time again I wouldn’t commit 10+mil to Jt long term.

Isnt that why we are building up a prospect pipeline? To rotate good young talent through while they are on ELCs to provide depth?

 

[bobbythebrain]

Sweet deals?

That Toews contract is one of the worst in the NHL.

Keith contract is good.

Seabrook probably is THEE worst contract.

Bowman did a horrendous job with almost all of the extensions he handed out.

That is Toews and Kane's second deals. They both signed 5 year deals when they won those cups

 

[duffy9748]

That’s with the cap at 80 million and overpaying for Laughton, Hagg, and a back up goalie. And Tavares and EK both at 11 million. Looks like solid depth to me.

 

[Rebels57]

That is Toews and Kane's second deals. They both signed 5 year deals when they won those cups

My bad misread

 

[SnS]

Isnt that why we are building up a prospect pipeline? To rotate good young talent through while they are on ELCs to provide depth?

And who says any of their games with translate? Or be able to be in bottom 6 roles?

 

[SnS]

That’s with the cap at 80 million and overpaying for Laughton, Hagg, and a back up goalie. And Tavares and EK both at 11 million. Looks like solid depth to me.

There is zero way all those players make the jump at once.

Issac probably has another year or two.

 

[duffy9748]

There is zero way all those players make the jump at once.

Issac probably has another year or two.

That’s for 2019-2020.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

In my scenario, It’ll be easier in a year, I’m dumping MacDonald, Weise, and Gudas.

MacDonald and Gudas are already up for 2020-21. I factored that in, although I edited my comment to reflect it after you had taken the quote. I should have included it originally, so my bad on that.

Weise gives you 2.35, which is certainly nice, but not transformative. Are you going into next year with Elliott and Neuvirth after you committed 150MM to two premiere assets? Or are you trading assets for a Goalie after you already subtracted the Karlsson assets plus the ones you paid to dump MacDonald and Weise?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

So do I, but it's hard to argue we aren't an attractive location while simultaneously being able to A) Pay him what he wants and B) Trade assets OTT will want.

It's like being a 76ers fan waiting to see if LeBron signs with them -- it may not be happening, but it's hard to argue they aren't a great fit.

It’s tough to really compare situations because the league dynamics are so different. Majority of the NHL will be after Karlsson while realistically a very small number of teams will be after Lebron with the Sixers being one of them.

The Flyers have resources but do they have the will? Another team might not have the resources compared to the Flyers but have just enough to go along with a strong will to make something happen. They very well could offer a quicker chance to contend as well.

 

[SnS]

That’s for 2019-2020.

My edit never went through. I highly doubt by that point, Lindblom is a foresure fire first liner, I highly doubt issac will be ready for second line minutes then as well.

That entire scenario is just extremely optimistic. Almost completely unreasonable.

 

[duffy9748]

MacDonald and Gudas are already up for 2020-21. I factored that in, although I edited my comment to reflect it after you had taken the quote.

Weise gives you 2.35, which is certainly nice. Are you going into next year with Elliott and Neuvirth after you committed 150MM to two premiere assets? Or are you trading assets for a Goalie after you already subtracted the Karlsson assets plus the ones you paid to dump MacDonald and Weise?

They’d have one year left on their contracts. You might not even have to give anything more than a 6th or 7th. And yeah, I’d look for a minor upgrade in goal or wait for Hart. That’s a team that will contend for 5+ years, not one.

 

[bobbythebrain]

That’s for 2019-2020.

Rebel had a good point. Why have they spent all this time acquiring prospects?

I see your projections, and you are correct, that would be a great team and perhaps win a cup or 2, but I doubt Hexy is being that shortsighted

Provy's market value should be more in the Ekblad/Hedman/OEL range.

So how long is the realistic window for a team paying their top 2 dmen 18mil +

 

[duffy9748]

My edit never went through. I highly doubt by that point, Lindblom is a foresure fire first liner, I highly doubt issac will be ready for second line minutes then as well.

That entire scenario is just extremely optimistic. Almost completely unreasonable.

You can change the lines however you want. That’s a team with a ton of depth. Do you think Frost will be ready by then? Put him as the 3rd line center with Lindblom on his wing and move Tavares to the wing with Patrick.

Again, Ratcliffe could be changed with a cheap UFA or Raffl who I didn’t include.

First it was impossible and there wasn’t any depth, now you’re saying it won’t work because the 4th line winger won’t be ready.

 

[duffy9748]

Rebel had a good point. Why have they spent all this time acquiring prospects?

I see your projections, and you are correct, that would be a great team and perhaps win a cup or 2, but I doubt Hexy is being that shortsighted

Provy's market value should be more in the Ekblad/Hedman/OEL range.

So how long is the realistic window for a team paying their top 2 dmen 18mil +

Provorov isn’t getting 8 million. He won’t break 7. It’s not short sighted either, that team wouldn’t have to be reconstructed until 2022-2023.

Also, the cap should be above 80 million, and there’s an extra 3-4 million that I tacked onto Hagg, Laughton, and Elliott. On top of EK/Tavares probably getting less than 11 per.

You can call it unrealistic, but don’t say it’s not doable.

 

[SnS]

You can change the lines however you want. That’s a team with a ton of depth. Do you think Frost will be ready by then? Put him as the 3rd line center with Lindblom on his wing and move Tavares to the wing with Patrick.

Again, Ratcliffe could be changed with a cheap UFA or Raffl who I didn’t include.

First it was impossible and there wasn’t any depth, now you’re saying it won’t work because the 4th line winger won’t be ready.

Who’s to say Jt will be effective as a winger?

I understand the impatience and everyone wanting us to go for it now, but I don’t believe this is the offseason to do it.

I think we should ship Simmonds out at the draft and I’d be perfectly fine moving gudas out at the draft as well.

Going into next season. I’m fine with ...

Giroux / Couturier / TK
Lindblom / Patrick / Voracek
Laughton / FA or Simmonds piece or frost if he is deemed ready / FA or Simmonds piece
Weise / MV / Mikhail / Leier / whoever else they want to try

Ghost / Ivan
Sanheim / FA or trade
Hagg / Farmer (let’s face it. They’re here to stay)

Then our goalies unless hart blows everyone out of the world.

 

[SnS]

Provorov isn’t getting 8 million. He won’t break 7. It’s not short sighted either, that team wouldn’t have to be reconstructed until 2022-2023.

Also, the cap should be above 80 million, and there’s an extra 3-4 million that I tacked onto Hagg, Laughton, and Elliott.

I think we will have to pay more to keep Ivan on the longest possible deal. I think 8 might be very possible.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Provorov isn’t getting 8 million. He won’t break 7. It’s not short sighted either, that team wouldn’t have to be reconstructed until 2022-2023.

He plays Ekblad minutes and lead the NHL in dman goals, without much PP time. If Hexy is gonna sign him for 8 years, which should be an absolute given, I would expect nothing less

 

[duffy9748]

Who’s to say Jt will be effective as a winger?

I understand the impatience and everyone wanting us to go for it now, but I don’t believe this is the offseason to do it.

I think we should ship Simmonds out at the draft and I’d be perfectly fine moving gudas out at the draft as well.

Going into next season. I’m fine with ...

Giroux / Couturier / TK
Lindblom / Patrick / Voracek
Laughton / FA or Simmonds piece or frost if he is deemed ready / FA or Simmonds piece
Weise / MV / Mikhail / Leier / whoever else they want to try

Ghost / Ivan
Sanheim / FA or trade
Hagg / Farmer (let’s face it. They’re here to stay)

Then our goalies unless hart blows everyone out of the world.

Lmao he doesn’t have to play wing, it’s an option. But he was an effective winger for Team Canada.

 

[SnS]

Lmao he doesn’t have to play wing, it’s an option. But he was an effective winger for Team Canada.

Small sample size. I wouldn’t pay 10+ mil on a long term deal for someone who might be effective.

Just not my idea of spending smart.

 

[Stizzle]

Is no one else afraid EK might be a prime candidate to breakdown physically? He is a small framed guy and will be 29 when the new contract starts. I'm not an expert on his injury history, but he definitely had that horrible ankle injury where they removed a large portion of his bone.

I'm no doctor but giving a player of that profile an 11 million dollar contract for 8 years sounds scary. Maybe a doctor would say otherwise and he profiles out fine. I don't know.

But when you have to give up the primetime assets and names that are getting thrown around here I get pretty nervous. My intuition tells me it's not worth the risk. Giving up Ghost or Sanheim + 1st round picks is no joke.

 

[duffy9748]

Small sample size. I wouldn’t pay 10+ mil on a long term deal for someone who might be effective.

Just not my idea of spending smart.

Okay then you roll Tavares, Couturier, and Patrick at center...

 

[JojoTheWhale]

That’s with the cap at 80 million and overpaying for Laughton, Hagg, and a back up goalie. And Tavares and EK both at 11 million. Looks like solid depth to me.

Ok, so you're moving Sanheim. That helps the crunch a bit.

But like I said, you can make it work for 2019-20. 2020-21 is where you have problems. You've taken the expiring dead weight that would help offset the Patrick/Myers/Lindblom raises. You do have room to play with, but enough?

I also have a lot of issues with that putting that much on Myers right now, but I know I'm going to be largely alone. Minus him, you basically have 3 excellent Defensemen and 3 guys who might not even be NHLers in an ideal world with nothing left behind them. ELC cycling is going to be a must if you add multiple huge salaries.