Speculation: 2018 Off-season Thread #2

[SR]

I would go smash up Babcock's car if I was Matthews. Force that trade the moment he finds out Tavares is locked in.

Correct.

 

[SR]

If Leafs sign Tavares I'm not sure they can sign Nylander

Don’t think they’d flip a winger when they sign a 1C. You either get Mathews or Tavares, you can’t have both ya greedy bastards!

 

[XX]

If Leafs sign Tavares I'm not sure they can sign Nylander

Marner and Matthews are the 'problem' right now by not wanting to talk extension. The Toronto media will do all the dirty work for the Coyotes the longer this goes on.

 

[hbk]

Don’t think they’d flip a winger when they sign a 1C. You either get Mathews or Tavares, you can’t have both ya greedy bastards!

Mathews is getting $11-$12M. Marner wants $9 will likely get $7/8M. Tavares is getting $11/$12M. How much do u give Nylander when you need to overhaul your D?

 

[hbk]

Marner and Matthews are the 'problem' right now by not wanting to talk extension. The Toronto media will do all the dirty work for the Coyotes the longer this goes on.

Babcock is all about Babcock. He and Mathews are not seeing eye to eye. There's enough smoke here to pay attention to.

 

[Jamieh]

Mathews is getting $11-$12M. Marner wants $9 will likely get $7/8M. Tavares is getting $11/$12M. How much do u give Nylander when you need to overhaul your D?

With that forward group I think you have to stay with a lesser D until Marleau is gone in two seasons unless you trade either Kadri or Nylander for D help. Solidify the D, strong at center and cheap on the wing for the most part.

 

[Jamieh]

Babcock is all about Babcock. He and Mathews are not seeing eye to eye. There's enough smoke here to pay attention to.

I don't see a long career in Toronto for Matthew's, it just looks like something is "off" there.

 

[RemoAZ]

I don't see a long career in Toronto for Matthew's, it just looks like something is "off" there.

I'm rooting for them to get Tavares. That gives us a shot, albeit a small one in trade or a huge offer sheet.

 

[SR]

Mathews is getting $11-$12M. Marner wants $9 will likely get $7/8M. Tavares is getting $11/$12M. How much do u give Nylander when you need to overhaul your D?

More of a process of elimination. Tavares is a bonafide 1c, still young and a home town kid. I’d imagine they try and sign Nylander as cheap as possible and look to trade Mathews. I sure as hell hope so, anyway haha.

2019 1st
Any prospect we have (Hayton, POJ, Strome) ect
And any roster player not named Keller or Ekman Larsson.

 

[Jamieh]

More of a process of elimination. Tavares is a bonafide 1c, still young and a home town kid. I’d imagine they try and sign Nylander as cheap as possible and look to trade Mathews. I sure as hell hope so, anyway haha.

2019 1st
Any prospect we have (Hayton, POJ, Strome) ect
And any roster player not named Keller or Ekman Larsson.

I don't see any way the Coyote's get Matthews without OEL plus plenty going the other way.

 

[XX]

2019 1st
Any prospect we have (Hayton, POJ, Strome) ect
And any roster player not named Keller or Ekman Larsson.

Hayton has like, 4x the value of Strome, so that's a pretty wide range. Can't trade guys like Hjalmarsson after extending them, just a bad look.

I would try to get Marner in the deal as well, try to keep Dvorak out. Pick Domi back up after Montreal inevitably misplays him and he becomes dirt cheap.

At a minimum you'd have to put 2 naked 1st round picks on the table, plus several of the best prospects, and some appealing roster players. Just put so much raw value on the table that Toronto can take it and use it to go acquire better roster players or just keep it all.

I don't see any way the Coyote's get Matthews without OEL plus plenty going the other way.

I do. All it takes is one tweet from an insider.

 

[SR]

Hayton has like, 4x the value of Strome, so that's a pretty wide range. Can't trade guys like Hjalmarsson after extending them, just a bad look.

I would try to get Marner in the deal as well, try to keep Dvorak out. Pick Domi back up after Montreal inevitably misplays him and he becomes dirt cheap.

At a minimum you'd have to put 2 naked 1st round picks on the table, plus several of the best prospects, and some appealing roster players. Just put so much raw value on the table that Toronto can take it and use it to go acquire better roster players or just keep it all.



I do. All it takes is one tweet from an insider.

Lay it out there then. What’re you adding to two unprotected firsts?

 

[Mosby]

I think JT is only using Toronto as leverage and will sign back with the Islanders.

 

[Plub]

Marner and Matthews are the 'problem' right now by not wanting to talk extension. The Toronto media will do all the dirty work for the Coyotes the longer this goes on.

I'll happily take both.

 

[Jamieh]

Hayton has like, 4x the value of Strome, so that's a pretty wide range. Can't trade guys like Hjalmarsson after extending them, just a bad look.

I would try to get Marner in the deal as well, try to keep Dvorak out. Pick Domi back up after Montreal inevitably misplays him and he becomes dirt cheap.

At a minimum you'd have to put 2 naked 1st round picks on the table, plus several of the best prospects, and some appealing roster players. Just put so much raw value on the table that Toronto can take it and use it to go acquire better roster players or just keep it all.



I do. All it takes is one tweet from an insider.

Are we playing Let's be silly tonight??

 

[XX]

Are we playing Let's be silly tonight??

Nope. 1 Bob McKenzie tweet is all it takes "Auston Matthews has let it be known he won't sign/he'd welcome a trade, Arizona remains his preferred destination"

Blam, a good chunk of his paper trade value obliterated. The Coyotes can then put the value equivalent of 4 1sts in usable assets on the table and see if the Leafs take it.

 

[DesertDawg]

Leafs sign Tavares trade Mathews to AZ for Dvorak, Chychrun, and a conditional pick ???

 

[Jagged Ice]

I think JT is only using Toronto as leverage and will sign back with the Islanders.

Toronto arguably is a top three offense team in the NHL. Tavares just adds to it. He could sign for a hometown discount and make up for it easily in endorsements in that market. Better odds of hoisting the cup, going home, and his long term girlfriend lives in Toronto.
I think Toronto is more than leverage.

 

[Jagged Ice]

Leafs sign Tavares trade Mathews to AZ for Dvorak, Chychrun, and a conditional pick ???

Not enough. Matthews gets Toronto Keller and a 2019 1OV minimum.

 

[Matias Maccete]

I think it costs one of OEL or Keller as a base unless something insane happens.

 

[XX]

I think it costs one of OEL or Keller as a base unless something insane happens.

Players of Matthews ilk only get traded if they are on their way out of town or are chased out. It's rarely a 1 for 1 swap with an equivalent tier player. It's usually a very nice basket of usable value.

 

[Grimes]

Players of Matthews ilk only get traded if they are on their way out of town or are chased out. It's rarely a 1 for 1 swap with an equivalent tier player. It's usually a very nice basket of usable value.

Just like Seguin. Hayton/Dvo + POJ + 19 1st?

 

[Matias Maccete]

Players of Matthews ilk only get traded if they are on their way out of town or are chased out. It's rarely a 1 for 1 swap with an equivalent tier player. It's usually a very nice basket of usable value.

Has a player in Matthews situation been moved though? He's a super young proven franchise center. Even if he demands a trade and prefers to come here, it's not like Toronto has to trade him here, we'd likely have to win an insane bidding war. I'd love to be wrong, but I think Toronto could do better than a basket style offer if they decide to move him.

 

[IPreferPi]

Has a player in Matthews situation been moved though? He's a super young proven franchise center. Even if he demands a trade and prefers to come here, it's not like Toronto has to trade him here, we'd likely have to win an insane bidding war. I'd love to be wrong, but I think Toronto could do better than a basket style offer if they decide to move him.

Seguin is probably the closest in recent memory.

 

[Matias Maccete]

Seguin is probably the closest in recent memory.

He's close, but Matthews has been much better when you compare their first two years. Iirc the return Chiarelli got was thought to be very low at the time too.