Speculation: 2018 Off-season Thread #2
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Matias Maccete
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Would love Matthews on the Coyotes but the team may be worse off after trading what it would take to land him. If it was to happen it should have included the 5th overall - and TO would have taken one of the D.
Lets assume the cost is 4 1st rounds - Strome, Chychrun, Crouse and 2019 1st (* not enough)
Dvorak - Matthews - Keller
Perlini - Galchenyuk - Fischer
Panik - Stepan - Merkely
Cousin - Kruger - Archibald
OEL - Demers
Goligoski - Hjalmarrson
Murphy / Connauton - Lybushkin
Lets assume the cost is 4 1st rounds - Strome, Chychrun, Crouse and 2019 1st (* not enough)
Dvorak - Matthews - Keller
Perlini - Galchenyuk - Fischer
Panik - Stepan - Merkely
Cousin - Kruger - Archibald
OEL - Demers
Goligoski - Hjalmarrson
Murphy / Connauton - Lybushkin
Oh how could I forget the ultimate comparison, Mr. Jumbo Joe. Unhappy in Boston, criticism from Boston media after an early playoff exit and a 1st overall center. 8 years with Boston but otherwise a similar situation.
Matias Maccete
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It's close in a lot of ways, but as you said he was 6 years older. Seguin is probably the closest, but really what I'm getting at is the return is going to be hard to peg down because we don't have many, if any, true comparables. 20 year old proven franchise centers just don't get traded. I think if they put him on the open market, the bidding war would be insane.
How is that a worse team? You just added a 1C at the cost of an injured 2nd pairing D (albeit with tons of upside) and prospects that have yet to consistently contribute. Matthews is a best case scenario for Strome. That 1st will probably be 15 or worse. Crouse is nothing. Would you trade Chych, Crouse, and a 1st to unlock Strome's ultimate potential? I would. Every time. That's before we get to the marketing and the potential for Matthews to find another gear at home, away from the spotlight.
The Coyotes would have the very real incentive to offer the best overall value. If you want to argue that another team would offer up more quality - perhaps even something approaching a direct swap - I won't dispute that.
TheLegend
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Seriously?? If someone proposed that for either of OEL or Keller what would your reaction be? Matthews costs you OEL plus at a minimum.
When it sounded like OEL wasnt going to re-sign I knew that his value was lower than it would have been if we wanted to trade him before any such rumors swirled. As soon as the player makes re-signing difficult, the trade value goes down. As long as there is a bidding war it can rise again, but it will never be as much as it was before a player indicated they may not want to stay. You could argue Galchenyuk's value dropped because Montreal knew it could be difficult to re-sign him in ufa.
There's nothing to say that Matthews is truly unhappy. What we know is Babcock flew to AZ to talk to him days after their playoff elimination. This tells me two things; Matthews didnt hang out in Toronto very long after the season ended (potentially only a day or two) and that Babcock felt the need to come to AZ during the summer to talk to his star player. If Toronto were to add a #1 center from the area, signed long term, what does that do to Matthew's confidence, pathway to regain his 1C status, and potential payout when his contract is due? Honestly I have no idea why Toronto would even get themselves involved in the Taveres rumors, all it can do is piss off Matthews if nothing comes to fruition and if they sign Taveres theres no way they can keep Austin happy. It seems silly to even entertain the idea of adding JT when their defense still consists of no true #1 and a bunch of 6-4 specialists. They are going to have cap issues just by re-signing Marner, Nylander and Matthews, let alone add JT.
It's a pipe dream. But last year this time it fel impossible to happen. :insert dumb and dumber meme about having a chance:
There's nothing to say that Matthews is truly unhappy. What we know is Babcock flew to AZ to talk to him days after their playoff elimination. This tells me two things; Matthews didnt hang out in Toronto very long after the season ended (potentially only a day or two) and that Babcock felt the need to come to AZ during the summer to talk to his star player. If Toronto were to add a #1 center from the area, signed long term, what does that do to Matthew's confidence, pathway to regain his 1C status, and potential payout when his contract is due? Honestly I have no idea why Toronto would even get themselves involved in the Taveres rumors, all it can do is piss off Matthews if nothing comes to fruition and if they sign Taveres theres no way they can keep Austin happy. It seems silly to even entertain the idea of adding JT when their defense still consists of no true #1 and a bunch of 6-4 specialists. They are going to have cap issues just by re-signing Marner, Nylander and Matthews, let alone add JT.
It's a pipe dream. But last year this time it fel impossible to happen. :insert dumb and dumber meme about having a chance:
Babcock has a reputation. I don't believe he was beloved by Datsyuk or Zetterberg and Matthews was pissed off about ice time this past year. That being said he's not being traded anytime soon. Those two will be given time to work this out. If they don't, expect difficult extensions because Mathews knows he can go to AZ at any point as a UFA and sign for max term and $. He's not scared about financial security. He won't be intimidated by Babcock and could force his way to UFA at an early age if he doesn't love how things are going. That's our only chance of ever getting him in AZ. He has to decide that he wants to be the saviour of hockey in AZ and turn down contracts that eat up his late 20's.
If I’m Toronto, Babcock goes before Matthews.
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You guys are all forgetting one thing... John Chayka is our GM.
He's not going to pursue Matthews. Period.
He's not going to pursue Matthews. Period.
Matias Maccete
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Because of acquisition cost I'm assuming? He has mentioned several times how hard it is to acquire centers, you'd have to think if Matthews is available he'd at least look into it.
rt
The Kinder, Gentler Version
Diet isn’t specialized enough. Shows lack of discipline. Barrett Hayton doesn’t eat anything that casts a shadow.
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Acquisition cost is the primary reason. Chayka is an asset hoarder and he obviously plays the long game (see: his pick of Barrett Hayton). The only way he'd even consider going after Matthews is if the Leafs were selling him low, and that isn't going to happen. But the other reason is our budget. We don't have the money to pay both OEL and a guy like Matthews. Until we get new ownership, we're going to have to make do with young talent or older, midrange talent on favorable deals.
Jets are scrambling for cap space to re-sign Stastny. We should swoop in to take Myers off their hands.
RABBIT
Years of my life w you f*cks only to get relocated
RABBIT
Years of my life w you f*cks only to get relocated
They should worry about retaining Myers over Stastny but im down. Always have been.
ArizonaCoyotes19
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All this fantasy talk about aquiring Matthews. You would think it was the dead of Summer with nothing going on.
Free Agency is less than a week away, plenty of time later to talk nonsense
Free Agency is less than a week away, plenty of time later to talk nonsense
Toronto isn't trading Mathews period, under almost any circumstance to anyone for anyone. One of the best, top 5, young players and a 1C on an ELC, he won't get traded. Babcock and Mathews will kiss and make up. Now if Mathews refuses to play and sits out a year, that could force Toronto's hand, and that isn't happening.
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