Speculation: 2018-2019 Trade rumors thread

[Getzmonster]

You just described the 2015 version of that line.

2018-19 - Jones smiles at Kesler, and the change in air pressure causes Kesler’s hip to break, Jones attempts to catch him, but winds up with Kesler sitting on top of him, Perry, limping by, pucks up both their sticks to use as crutches and totters off.

"Following this unfortunate series of events, Jones has been reassigned to San Diego, while Perry and Kesler are listed as day-to-day. Eaves, who was on the bench at the time, is out indefinitely with an undisclosed injury."

 

[Anaheim4ever]

"Following this unfortunate series of events, Jones has been reassigned to San Diego, while Perry and Kesler are listed as day-to-day. Eaves, who was on the bench at the time, is out indefinitely with an undisclosed injury."

Eaves sat on the bench wrong & hurt his hamstring.

 

[Paul4587]

My initial reaction to that lineup is "poor Gibby".

And poor Kase.

 

[Opak]

I'd be surprised if Silfverberg isn't traded at the deadline for futures and if GMBM doesn't push the narrative that he was traded as a result of failed contract negotiations and to make space for Perry.

Read in the voice of GMBM - "Jakob is a terrific player and will be an important part of [insert future team's name] playoff push. When my team and Jakob's agent couldn't agree on a contract extension during the holiday break and all-star break, and with Corey returning to the lineup, it made the most sense for both parties to look to the future. We thank Jakob for his time spent in Anaheim and wish him the best of luck going forward."

If I was the GM, the first place I'd shop Silf is Colorado. Not because I like them, but because it's a deal that makes a ton of sense...

• Avs are currently in a playoff spot, while also heading for a top-10 pick courtesy of Ottawa. Their own 1st rounder could be available for a roster upgrade (lotto protection assumed).
• They are 3rd in the Central being 5-3-2 in their last 10, while the Wild have slowly started to catch up to them. Given how competitive the Pacific is right now, dropping out of that 3rd spot could put them back into the wild card chase. They could be in a position, where a roster upgrade is needed sooner rather than later.
• Colorado has a ton of cap space this year, but are looking to shell ALL the money for Rantanen next offseason. They could look for rental options instead of long-term solutions, plus they have the cap space to make almost anything work without any cap dumps and/or retentions.
  
• They have the hottest top line in hockey right now. However, their RW depth after Rantanen is basically trash. Rantanen has 13 goals and 53 points, while that whole group combines for 20 goals and 71 points. They are insanely top-heavy, a guy like Silf would definitely stabilize their top-6, plus give an extra boost for a playoff run.
• From our perspective, I don't see Colorado beating Nashville and Winnipeg in the standings (nor in the playoffs, for that matter), meaning that their first rounder could end up being as high as somewhere in the 20-24 range.

Therefore: Silf for COL 2019 1st + conditional pick (we get a 2020 3rd if Silf re-signs with the Avs). Don't know if they can re-sign Silf, but it'd be nice to have that pick as a bonus, just in case.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

If I was the GM, the first place I'd shop Silf is Colorado. Not because I like them, but because it's a deal that makes a ton of sense...

• Avs are currently in a playoff spot, while also heading for a top-10 pick courtesy of Ottawa. Their own 1st rounder could be available for a roster upgrade (lotto protection assumed).
• They are 3rd in the Central being 5-3-2 in their last 10, while the Wild have slowly started to catch up to them. Given how competitive the Pacific is right now, dropping out of that 3rd spot could put them back into the wild card chase. They could be in a position, where a roster upgrade is needed sooner rather than later.
• Colorado has a ton of cap space this year, but are looking to shell ALL the money for Rantanen next offseason. They could look for rental options instead of long-term solutions, plus they have the cap space to make almost anything work without any cap dumps and/or retentions.
  
• They have the hottest top line in hockey right now. However, their RW depth after Rantanen is basically trash. Rantanen has 13 goals and 53 points, while that whole group combines for 20 goals and 71 points. They are insanely top-heavy, a guy like Silf would definitely stabilize their top-6, plus give an extra boost for a playoff run.
• From our perspective, I don't see Colorado beating Nashville and Winnipeg in the standings (nor in the playoffs, for that matter), meaning that their first rounder could end up being as high as somewhere in the 20-24 range.

Therefore: Silf for COL 2019 1st + conditional pick (we get a 2020 3rd if Silf re-signs with the Avs). Don't know if they can re-sign Silf, but it'd be nice to have that pick as a bonus, just in case.

They have money to resign him... if they want.... but I agree they would be a good target

 

[Teemu Salami]

I’m interested in giving Burakovsky a shot here. Will I be thrown in a fire for suggesting trading cogs and a late pick? 23 year old with high skill and Washington gets a useful PK’er.

I’ll always love Cogs, haven’t been reading the board’s opinion of him this year.

 

[Trojans86]

I love cogs but only see him as a 4th liner pk specialist. Dont think he would get much of a return either.

 

[Teemu Salami]

I feel like that’s a player Washington would be interested in, Burakovsky isn’t producing and not doing much else from what I know.

 

[Opak]

I’m interested in giving Burakovsky a shot here. Will I be thrown in a fire for suggesting trading cogs and a late pick? 23 year old with high skill and Washington gets a useful PK’er.

I’ll always love Cogs, haven’t been reading the board’s opinion of him this year.

A couple of opinions posted in the main boards:

A couple points:

Burakovsky is better at RW than he is at LW.

The Capitals currently have Travis Boyd on the 4th line, so I don't see any stylistic reason Burakovsky couldn't play on the Caps 4th line. It's not exactly a grind line. Obviously you don't break up the 4th line that has been hot the last couple games, but he could definitely rotate in there once they cool off.

Burt's trade value isn't particularly high right now. Unless someone is willing to pay closer to full price for the player or the Capitals have a defined need for his cap space (another trade), there's not much advantage to trading Burakovsky at this time. Makes more sense to keep him as depth as deal with him in the off-season.

Cap Friendly showing Burakovsky as an RFA Arbitration Eligible, while Panik's a UFA. Still is not Panik a RW. Caps are heavy on the RWs they need a LW coming back for Burakovsky.

Even though Cogs is LW, I don't think that's enough to entice a trade with the Caps, even with us adding a late pick. If it is, I'm all for it.

EDIT:
Friedman says Caps are not interested in a futures deal for Burakovsky, they want a win-now piece. HFCaps have said they especially need LW and PK help, so there could in fact be something in a hypothetical Cogliano-Burakovsky swap...

EDIT2:
Just noticed that the Caps have less than $14k cap space, Cogliano's cap hit is $250k higher than Burakovsky's. We would most likely have to retain a bit of salary in order to make that deal work...

 

[Teemu Salami]

A couple of opinions posted in the main boards:





Even though Cogs is LW, I don't think that's enough to entice a trade with the Caps, even with us adding a late pick. If it is, I'm all for it.

EDIT:
Friedman says Caps are not interested in a futures deal for Burakovsky, they want a win-now piece. HFCaps have said they especially need LW and PK help, so there could in fact be something in a hypothetical Cogliano-Burakovsky swap...

EDIT2:
Just noticed that the Caps have less than $14k cap space, Cogliano's cap hit is $250k higher than Burakovsky's. We would most likely have to retain a bit of salary in order to make that deal work...

Yeah I noticed fans seeing that as a need, and I see Cogliano as a good playoff piece for them.. I wouldn’t mind it being a decent pick, but the guy is getting healthy scratched. Could be more complicated like you’ve brought up in your edits. Food for thought, at least. I’m enjoying giving high skill wingers a chance

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

I feel like that’s a player Washington would be interested in, Burakovsky isn’t producing and not doing much else from what I know.

How is this an argument in favor of trading for him?

 

[mightyquack]

I don't see the point in trading for Burakovsky, he's soon to be 24 years old and into his 5th NHL season - at this point it's far more likely he 'is what he is' at the NHL level now opposed to there being untapped potential yet to be found.

It's much different to a Sprong type situation - a guy who is only in his 2nd season of pro hockey and had huge success in his first season at the AHL level but hadn't put it all together at the NHL level just yet.

 

[Opak]

I don't see the point in trading for Burakovsky, he's soon to be 24 years old and into his 5th NHL season - at this point it's far more likely he 'is what he is' at the NHL level now opposed to there being untapped potential yet to be found.

It's much different to a Sprong type situation - a guy who is only in his 2nd season of pro hockey and had huge success in his first season at the AHL level but hadn't put it all together at the NHL level just yet.

If we're re-tooling the forward group (which we should do), I don't see there being a downside for us in a hypothetical Cogliano-Burakovsky swap, as long as we don't add anything absurd into the deal. If it's a straight swap, we get to test Bura for the rest of the year to see how he fits into the team. If he's good, Bob can either "nickle and dime" him to submission during RFA negotiations or trade him for extra assets. If Bura doesn't fit in Anaheim, Bob can either try and trade his rights, or he can just let him walk via not qualifying him. In either scenario, we lose the last 2 years of Cogliano's contract and use the vacant roster spot to add scoring to the lineup, one way or the other.

And it's not like this is a straight up cap dump from our side either. If the Caps are looking for a Cup-hungry veteran LW, who will chip in on the PK and give 100% for the team every night, Cogs could be their man. The salaries are almost a wash, which is also good as both teams are right up against the cap -- the Ducks would have to retain $250k to make the deal happen.

IMO Bura could very well re-bound in Anaheim:

 

[Trojans86]

I know everyone says we cant resign Silf but is that an issue with cap, expansion draft or both? Couldnt we sign Silf and trade Cogs? Couldnt we also resign Silf and trade someone in the offseason? I guess I just understand why our only scenario is to trade Silf. We could even buy out Eaves and Kesler. It is tough for an organization that looks like it is going to the playoffs to be a big seller. Especially when we have our d, Gibson in net and Getzlaf at the late stages of his career. For a team like the Ducks that are not a cap team and in a non traditional market a playoff run is great for the bottom line and growing the fanbase. I would also like to see the kids in sd get some playoff experience. They are significantly better than our 4th line.

 

[mightyquack]

If we're re-tooling the forward group (which we should do), I don't see there being a downside for us in a hypothetical Cogliano-Burakovsky swap, as long as we don't add anything absurd into the deal. If it's a straight swap, we get to test Bura for the rest of the year to see how he fits into the team. If he's good, Bob can either "nickle and dime" him to submission during RFA negotiations or trade him for extra assets. If Bura doesn't fit in Anaheim, Bob can either try and trade his rights, or he can just let him walk via not qualifying him. In either scenario, we lose the last 2 years of Cogliano's contract and use the vacant roster spot to add scoring to the lineup, one way or the other.

And it's not like this is a straight up cap dump from our side either. If the Caps are looking for a Cup-hungry veteran LW, who will chip in on the PK and give 100% for the team every night, Cogs could be their man. The salaries are almost a wash, which is also good as both teams are right up against the cap -- the Ducks would have to retain $250k to make the deal happen.

IMO Bura could very well re-bound in Anaheim:

The only way I would do a Cogs/Bura swap is if we absolutely couldn't move Cogs out for a draft pick to anyone in the NHL. I'd much rather see someone like Kossila get an extended look at the NHL level given he's had great production in the AHL for the 3rd straight season and hasn't really had a long NHL look as of yet or even give another look to some of the other young players in San Diego - I'd much rather see this then hoping a guy in his 5th full NHL season is suddenly going to break out.

I know everyone says we cant resign Silf but is that an issue with cap, expansion draft or both? Couldnt we sign Silf and trade Cogs? Couldnt we also resign Silf and trade someone in the offseason? I guess I just understand why our only scenario is to trade Silf. We could even buy out Eaves and Kesler. It is tough for an organization that looks like it is going to the playoffs to be a big seller. Especially when we have our d, Gibson in net and Getzlaf at the late stages of his career. For a team like the Ducks that are not a cap team and in a non traditional market a playoff run is great for the bottom line and growing the fanbase. I would also like to see the kids in sd get some playoff experience. They are significantly better than our 4th line.

Well Anaheim would still only have about 8m or so in cap room with Silf - and the owners are apparently unhappy with with the amount of money currently being spent (I assume because we look f***ing ass 90% of the time despite the high payroll) so I'd imagine the actual room Anaheim has is much less than 8m.

And buying out players doesn't really help Anaheim - they are still on the hook to actually pay the contract out. So while it gives Anaheim cap space, it doesn't give them budget room (unless the owners are happy to spend an extra 10m+ on buyouts which I doubt they are).

 

[Teemu Salami]

How is this an argument in favor of trading for him?

I’m not trying to make an argument. His situation is what it is. If you’d rather have Cogs than giving this particular talented player a shot in new scenery, I respect that. Not going to butter my post up to get approval from HF on what i’d like to see lol.

Edit: if anything it was an argument in favor of Cogs being enough

 

[Deuce22]

I don't see the point in trading for Burakovsky, he's soon to be 24 years old and into his 5th NHL season - at this point it's far more likely he 'is what he is' at the NHL level now opposed to there being untapped potential yet to be found.

It's much different to a Sprong type situation - a guy who is only in his 2nd season of pro hockey and had huge success in his first season at the AHL level but hadn't put it all together at the NHL level just yet.

Might be different than Sprong, but no so much from Aberg.

 

[Paul4587]

Burakovsky has some major skill and is good defensively but suffers from major slumps due to confidence issues. When he’s on he is very good but when he’s off he is completely invisible and his work ethic can suffer as a result of it.

I’m not sure if a change of scenery would help him or if he will always be that player. He’s certainly at the very worst a useful third line forward though.

 

[AngelDuck]

I would absolutely take a shot on Burakovsky. If you can get him for Cogs and a minor +, you do that obviously

 

[Trojans86]

The only way I would do a Cogs/Bura swap is if we absolutely couldn't move Cogs out for a draft pick to anyone in the NHL. I'd much rather see someone like Kossila get an extended look at the NHL level given he's had great production in the AHL for the 3rd straight season and hasn't really had a long NHL look as of yet or even give another look to some of the other young players in San Diego - I'd much rather see this then hoping a guy in his 5th full NHL season is suddenly going to break out.


Well Anaheim would still only have about 8m or so in cap room with Silf - and the owners are apparently unhappy with with the amount of money currently being spent (I assume because we look ****ing ass 90% of the time despite the high payroll) so I'd imagine the actual room Anaheim has is much less than 8m.

And buying out players doesn't really help Anaheim - they are still on the hook to actually pay the contract out. So while it gives Anaheim cap space, it doesn't give them budget room (unless the owners are happy to spend an extra 10m+ on buyouts which I doubt they are).

If they're never going to play we simply save money if we buy someone out. Since we are not a cap team them it even makes more sense because extending out the payment of a player doesnt matter if we are saving money in total and dont really care about the cap hit. My point isnt just that we need to buy someone out, just that if we are looking like we may make the playoffs then I dont see why we have to trade Silf this year because there are other options and having him along for the playoffs helps with the fan base and could potentially extend us into another round which would bring additional dollars. If we are out of the playoffs then I totally agree, move him. If not, let's keep him and try to resign him.

I'd much rather trade Cogs and use those savings to keep Silf.

 

[dracom]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think keeping Silf at all is a mistake. Do we really need another long term deal that will most likely be around 5mil on the books? We can't keep everyone and we have very limited spots for our rookies who have a good chance at making the jump next year. I love Silf, think he's great, but for the future of the team he should not be on the roster next season (this extends to Cogs as well unfortunately).

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Burakovsky has some major skill and is good defensively but suffers from major slumps due to confidence issues. When he’s on he is very good but when he’s off he is completely invisible and his work ethic can suffer as a result of it.

I’m not sure if a change of scenery would help him or if he will always be that player. He’s certainly at the very worst a useful third line forward though.

Id take burakovsky over cogliano instantly

Burak
for
Cogs(with retention to make work) and a pick.

Kase Getzlaf Sprong
Rakell Henrique Aberg
Burakovsky Kesler Silfverberg
Ritchie Rawney Sheerwood

If we trade silf, just let a rookie fill in and have sheerwood move up to 3rd line... until perry or eaves is back.

 

[tomd]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think keeping Silf at all is a mistake. Do we really need another long term deal that will most likely be around 5mil on the books? We can't keep everyone and we have very limited spots for our rookies who have a good chance at making the jump next year. I love Silf, think he's great, but for the future of the team he should not be on the roster next season (this extends to Cogs as well unfortunately).

I think everything GMBM has done so far this year points to him trading Silfverberg at TDL. That includes his comments earlier this year talking about "flexibility" at RW (and that was before Aberg and Sprong IIRC). Of course, things could change but I think the desired plan right now is to maximize him as an asset and make sure that they don't lose him for nothing. One other poster mentioned Colorado as a destination and that makes a lot of sense for both teams on several levels. We'll see...

 

[Nurmagomedov]

I hope GMBM doesn't get allured by the mirage of potential playoff success. This team need a retool, badly. We don't have the talent level up front to compete, we'll go as far as Gibson, the defence and Getz take us, perhaps even to the conference finals if Gibby goes on a heater. Silf or Cogs won't make a lick of difference in that. Trade Silf & Cogs and if you can get something for nothing in Aberg, trade him.

Also, trade Fowler. He doesn't make a difference for us, not because he isn't good but because when he's in the lineup, the rest of the D plays worse. Maybe that's a coaching usage issue, maybe something else. End result is the same, we seem to always be as good with him as we are without him, thus take the assets and salary flexibility you can get.

Buying out Kesler is simple, it'll always be 2.25 per for twice the number of years remaining. So you keep him until you need the ~4.5M for something else.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Burakovsky seems like a worthy gamble to take.
Even with 'defense first' fowards like Cogs, Silf & Kesler the Ducks still get out shot like crazy.
Ducks seem to be doing better with 'offense first' type forwards like Aberg & Sprong vs shutdown guys.