Speculation: 2018-2019 Trade rumors thread Pt 2

[duckpuck]

Being a center is a big part of that equation, though, and the Canucks were deservedly ripped to shreds for that contract.

Cogs would undoubtedly get a similar contract on the open market, but like I said, that team would get ripped for it. It's a premium for a guy who's probably best suited for a fourth line role at this point.

I was going to post that and you saved me the trouble. I would add that Beagle is very good at face offs (valuable/premium skill), joined a young team with a ton of cap space (i.e., they were willing to overpay), and even then Beagle's contract was roundly considered an over payment. Beagle's prior contract, signed as a UFA, was 3 years at $1.75M/per year - the right amount for a team like the Caps looking to win with a capped roster. The Caps passed at $3M and I'm sure they are glad they did.

Edit: Another example. Chris Wagner - productive fourth line player who many around here really like. Signed a UFA contract for 2 years $1.25M per year.

 

[Exit Dose]

f*** Friedman for bringing up Montour as a trade target for the Leafs, and f*** Murray if he's actually considering that.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

You gotta figure Bob's getting a lot of calls. You gotta hope that given the current situation he puts any deals on hold (other than Silf or Rico at the TDL) until he better understands the youth of this team. His whole reason for becoming a rookie coach at 64 was to better understand the team/player dynamics. Hopefully, any deal(s) involving any of the young core would be pre draft deals based on having completed a full evaluation of the current team and the desired direction he wants to take the team. At least I hope that's what he's doing.

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

**** Friedman for bringing up Montour as a trade target for the Leafs, and **** Murray if he's actually considering that.

+1. Especially because I know that Dubas is going to want to center it around Nylander. Do not let the Leafs out of jail in Cap Hell.

 

[Exit Dose]

You gotta figure Bob's getting a lot of calls. You gotta hope that given the current situation he puts any deals on hold (other than Silf or Rico at the TDL) until he better understands the youth of this team. His whole reason for becoming a rookie coach at 64 was to better understand the team/player dynamics. Hopefully, any deal(s) involving any of the young core would be pre draft deals based on having completed a full evaluation of the current team and the desired direction he wants to take the team. At least I hope that's what he's doing.

I'd add Rico to the list of the 'do not move'. I do not trust that this team is going anywhere in the next couple of years with Getzlaf, Kesler, and Rowney as its centers.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I'd add Rico to the list of the 'do not move'. I do not trust that this team is going anywhere in the next couple of years with Getzlaf, Kesler, and Rowney as its centers.

I could live with Rico or Silf but probably lean toward Silf depending upon the deal. I think it would be bad to commit to both given their age and likely cost. But I'd like to see one go at the TDL.

 

[paine]

I'd add Rico to the list of the 'do not move'. I do not trust that this team is going anywhere in the next couple of years with Getzlaf, Kesler, and Rowney as its centers.

Trade Henrique or we’ll be stuck with a large, underperforming contract in a few years. And we’re not winning the cup between then.

 

[dracom]

+1. Especially because I know that Dubas is going to want to center it around Nylander. Do not let the Leafs out of jail in Cap Hell.

If Dubas is anything like Leaf fans, he'll want to center it around Bracco, Zatsiev and a 2nd.

 

[Exit Dose]

I could live with Rico or Silf but probably lean toward Silf depending upon the deal. I think it would be bad to commit to both given their age and likely cost. But I'd like to see one go at the TDL.

While I'd be sad to see Silf go, he should be shipped off at the deadline. We look safe at the wings. Center...even if we draft a really talented center or someone in the system pays off, that could take years for that player to get here and years for them to develop to the point where they make an impact.

 

[Exit Dose]

Trade Henrique or we’ll be
stuck with a large, underperforming contract in a few years. And we’re not winning the cup between then.

Henrique isn't Kesler.

 

[paine]

Big names scouting Capitals @ Ducks.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Big names scouting Capitals @ Ducks.

Are you linking your own twitter account?

 

[Doothpick]

I have a hard time figuring out why anyone would want to trade Henrique. They signed him to reasonable extension not much more than half a year ago, and despite the whole team looking like a dumpster fire all season Henrique is the guy who's managed to look *ok*. I think he would be better suited to play wing, but he still has the ability to play center in a scoring role and he is good enough defensively as well. They are going to need a guy like that until Steel and Lundestrom are ready for the roles Murray probably envisions them to be.

Getzlaf probably has only a few good years left as a scoring line center and then they have the corpse of Ryan Kesler and Carter Rowney. It just doesn't make much sense to me to trade a guy like Henrique with that kind of center depth. He also plays a style of game that I think ages well in todays league since he isn't a banger like Kesler, Mike Richards etc. I actually wouldn't be at all surprised if he has a career year or two left in him.

Edit: Also for a team like the Ducks where players are constantly dropping like flies, Henrique's ability to stay healthy is a very nice thing to have.

 

[KyleJRM]

Does Henrique look OK? I need more than ~38-point pace from my 2nd C, especially with scoring up all over the league.

 

[paine]

Henrique is an average 2nd line center, and he's only going to decline. I'd rather not be stuck with that contract in 2-3 years.

 

[Doothpick]

Does Henrique look OK? I need more than ~38-point pace from my 2nd C, especially with scoring up all over the league.

Considering the crap they've put up this season, I'd say he is one of the players who I've been least disappointed with. He's also been asked to be the play driver of his line and he's more suited as a complementary guy. It isn't ideal he makes that money when he can't drive his own line, but with good players I have no doubt he can produce better numbers. I just think if you're going to trade him at the TDL or in the summer, you better acquire someone who can fill his role next season, and I have a hard time believing the kids are up for it.

Henrique is an average 2nd line center, and he's only going to decline. I'd rather not be stuck with that contract in 2-3 years.

What makes you say that? Nothing about his playing style would lead me to say that.

 

[KyleJRM]

Being less disappointing than all our other top-6 forwards isn’t the same as being not disappointing.

 

[Exit Dose]

Being less disappointing than all our other top-6 forwards isn’t the same as being not disappointing.

Yeah, it's a shame that he can't carry all the offensive responsibilities of an entire line.

 

[KyleJRM]

Yeah, it's a shame that he can't carry all the offensive responsibilities of an entire line.

Or any offensive responsibilities at all.

We can’t continue with so many mediocre forwards making too much money and under contract for too long. He’s not one of the worst offenders, but he is a problem and one of the easiest ones to get out from under

 

[Exit Dose]

Or any offensive responsibilities at all

He's our second leading scorer.

 

[Doothpick]

Being less disappointing than all our other top-6 forwards isn’t the same as being not disappointing.

Well sure, but if you're going to start trading guys only based on this season, it's going to be a long list.

All I'm saying what's the rush trading from a position of weakness unless it considerably strengthens the team? If there are deals to be made where they ship off Rico and get better guy down the middle somewhere, sure, but I doubt that's in the cards right now.

 

[KyleJRM]

He's our second leading scorer.

That doesn’t mean he isn’t a huge mediocrity offensively

 

[KyleJRM]

Well sure, but if you're going to start trading guys only based on this season, it's going to be a long list.

All I'm saying what's the rush trading from a position of weakness unless it considerably strengthens the team? If there are deals to be made where they ship off Rico and get better guy down the middle somewhere, sure, but I doubt that's in the cards right now.

With Henrique specifically, the rush is that this is the last chance to move him before a significant NTC comes into play, iirc

 

[Exit Dose]

That doesn’t mean he isn’t a huge mediocrity offensively

If this were the only season to go on you'd be right. It is not.

 

[Doothpick]

With Henrique specifically, the rush is that this is the last chance to move him before a significant NTC comes into play, iirc

It's a 10-team no trade list, which still leaves another 2/3 of the league where you can ship him off if need be. I'd rather take those chances than trade him for less than he is worth.