Speculation: 2018-2019 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II

[LA Shark]

Expansion Draft in 2017 - Which exposed Shark does Vegas select? (hint:it's Schlemko)

Well I'm most certainly not reading 30+ pages to find one troll poster who was livid that Schlemko was left unprotected. But after a quick glance I didn't see anything to suggest people were livid or wanted DW fired for exposing him. Disappointment to lose him?sure. Livid and calling for firings? No. Maybe people on Twitter, I can't speak for that. However I don't believe anyone here fits what your describing.

I have no problem if people like Kurz, he's just certainly not for me. His I'm better than you because I actually get to talk to the players attitude is just obnoxious to me. Every word the guy types has a condescending elitist feel to it, even though he's just a yes man that refuses to accept things he disagrees with(i.e. advanced stats.) Then coming on here to steal JTR's stat and post it as his own was just the icing on the cake lol

 

[pappaf2]

I think Kurz is terrible but it's true that people on here were losing their "S" over Schlemko getting exposed and picked. Schlemko was a good 3rd pairing guy but he was hugely overrated by people on here.

That said Kurz sucks.

 

[CupfortheSharks]

And after reading that thread, there is not one person losing their minds at losing Schlemko.

I didn’t read that thread, I remember. Call it what you want, there was a vocal group of posters that overvalued schlemko a ton. Based on both his advanced stats and their personal eye test. They thought DW was foolish to expose him and couldn’t fathom that no GM was willing to trade more than a 4th for him. They were wrong.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I think Kurz is terrible but it's true that people on here were losing their "S" over Schlemko getting exposed and picked. Schlemko was a good 3rd pairing guy but he was hugely overrated by people on here.

That said Kurz sucks.

Except I went through that 30 page thread and nobody was losing their shit over it. There were disagreements. There was nobody losing it over it. Just because a few people thought Schlemko did well for his role and made some comments about how he ranks relative to the rest of the blue liners now means that they lost their shit over losing him? That kind of misremembering and treating it like a fact is part of the problem.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I didn’t read that thread, I remember. Call it what you want, there was a vocal group of posters that overvalued schlemko a ton. Based on both his advanced stats and their personal eye test. They thought DW was foolish to expose him and couldn’t fathom that no GM was willing to trade more than a 4th for him. They were wrong.

You remember incorrectly. No such thing occurred with regards to thinking DW was foolish or not fathoming a GM willing to trade whatever for him.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

After reading through that thread, I’m convinced that Sideshow Raheem left HFBoards to pursue a full-time job as a fortune teller.

And even more likely, Heed could be great but get stapled to the press box because DeBoer is in love with Dylan DeMelo.

He said this before the start of the 2017-2018 season. That’s incredible foresight.

Yet another fortune teller:

Braun and Karlsson are next season's whipping posts: confirmed

 

[CupfortheSharks]

You remember incorrectly. No such thing occurred with regards to thinking DW was foolish or not fathoming a GM willing to trade whatever for him.

I’m not remembering incorrectly. I’m not willing to read the whole thing but I just looked a little. In post #628 on page 26 JTR calls DW clueless and McPhee a complete idiot. There is more but I don’t know how to pull it over to this thread.

 

[matt trick]

I hate the friggin athletic and I unfollow every single journalist as soon as he/she joins those bastards.

No idea how why they have my address but one of my google accounts gets several mails from them every day. I unsubscribed from those newsletters about 9498393793753975953 times but nothing changed. I get multiple mails everytime there's a sale (so pretty much all the time) and also newsletters from several regional divisions (like Athletic Columbus) on a regular basis. Seriously. Never have I experienced anything like it. They even make it past the google spam filter despite me marking their emails as spam. Crazy. I should probably go public with this but that would be a waste of time. Still. **** those bastards! A reputable company would never do anything like it. They're a disgrace for journalism and the sooner they disappear the better.

Say you're an EU resident and that you will be sharing the emails with organization who enforce GDPR.

Also, I wasn't disappointed we lost Schlemko. Great fit with Dillon, pretty cheap and a aolid player. Kurz is right that he's be a boat anchor now. We were lucky they didn't take Dilly. I don't recall our making a super inpactful argument on why we lucky to lose him.

Who'd we protect? Carpenter, Couture, Hertl, Pavs, Carpenter, Burns, Vlasic, and Braun. Donskoi, Labanc, and Meier were all inelligible. Marleau and Jumbo were UFAs.

Who were the others?

 

[one2gamble]

I’m not remembering incorrectly. I’m not willing to read the whole thing but I just looked a little. In post #628 on page 26 JTR calls DW clueless and McPhee a complete idiot. There is more but I don’t know how to pull it over to this thread.

Is this a kurz alias or something

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I’m not remembering incorrectly. I’m not willing to read the whole thing but I just looked a little. In post #628 on page 26 JTR calls DW clueless and McPhee a complete idiot. There is more but I don’t know how to pull it over to this thread.

People in this context ought to be more than one poster calling DW clueless for not trading a 4th to keep a solid player for us. And I don’t even view that as losing their shit. That’s more like someone with conviction voicing an opinion and not one that conveys a valuation of a player that is too much.

 

[NiWa]

Say you're an EU resident and that you will be sharing the emails with organization who enforce GDPR.

@Hinterland I work at a multinational, and can confirm that this is exactly how you'll get this done.

Try [email protected] first, if that doesn't go anywhere, use the one listed for their press contact: The Athletic
If you take the second route, for additional pressure (outside of highlighting that you've been ignored multiple times when asking to be taken off the list) you can add that their privacy policy page is not listing a contact email address, and that by not honoring your request, they are violating the very CAN-SPAM act that they were proudly listing to be upholding:

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• CAN-SPAM Act: A Compliance Guide for Business (see §6)

 

[DG93]

 

[CupfortheSharks]

People in this context ought to be more than one poster calling DW clueless for not trading a 4th to keep a solid player for us. And I don’t even view that as losing their ****. That’s more like someone with conviction voicing an opinion and not one that conveys a valuation of a player that is too much.

I encourage anyone who is interested to read the old thread and judge for themselves.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I encourage anyone who is interested to read the old thread and judge for themselves.

And I would encourage anyone who wants to share that judgment to state why rather than yes or no.

 

[tiburon12]

no you had people here thinking we shoulda went 4-4 to protect schlemko.... Kurz is an idiot but in this case he has a valid case considering we'd of lost a much better player at the expense of schlemko...

and if you point that out to anyone here... Ou boy Schlemko was gonna be a bonafide top 4 D.

Idk what you are talking about. I didnt even post on this board during that time.....

 

[SjMilhouse]

People in this context ought to be more than one poster calling DW clueless for not trading a 4th to keep a solid player for us. And I don’t even view that as losing their ****. That’s more like someone with conviction voicing an opinion and not one that conveys a valuation of a player that is too much.

It's poster routinely using hyperbole to blow little issues or perceived issues way out of proportion that leads to everyone arguing about it for pages and pages. Then Kurz reads it, is like these fools are insane, gets snarky on twitter for the lulz, people here get mad, he sees that and laughs, and the cycle repeats.

If every post is "this persons a moron" "Wilson is a f***ing idiot" "Karlsson is the worst f***ing player ever" you get this

Edit: Seriously, read the thread. After #628 the entire things collapses into an argument about how message board posters can evaluate talent and sometimes better than GM's and it's the GM's that are dumb for not seeing the value of Schlemko like posters here can...which is exactly what Kurz is getting at when he says what he says

 

[Pinkfloyd]

It's poster routinely using hyperbole to blow little issues or perceived issues way out of proportion that leads to everyone arguing about it for pages and pages. Then Kurz reads it, is like these fools are insane, gets snarky on twitter for the lulz, people here get mad, he sees that and laughs, and the cycle repeats.

If every post is "this persons a moron" "Wilson is a ****ing idiot" "Karlsson is the worst ****ing player ever" you get this

Edit: Seriously, read the thread. After #628 the entire things collapses into an argument about how message board posters can evaluate talent and sometimes better than GM's and it's the GM's that are dumb for not seeing the value of Schlemko like posters here can...which is exactly what Kurz is getting at when he says what he says

Judging by the people making most of those comments, a lot of that was sarcasm. One of them was genuine and maybe one other one was facetiously telling GM's good job but does that constitute losing it and isn't describing it as such also the hyperbole and exaggeration that people are stating the reason they are somewhat defending Kurz on for his use of it? If so how is it any better? And I would be okay with Kurz saying something like that if he supported that opinion with anything remotely resembling substance that would allow him some credibility. He is no different in that regard than anyone here. Yeah, he has access to the team but he never uses that access to convey whatever knowledge he may be privy to as to why anyone with the team values anything the way they do. He doesn't even offer less substantive ways to support it. He just makes a claim, supports none of it, and expects people to believe him or they're idiots.

 

[Hinterland]

@Hinterland I work at a multinational, and can confirm that this is exactly how you'll get this done.

Try [email protected] first, if that doesn't go anywhere, use the one listed for their press contact: The Athletic
If you take the second route, for additional pressure (outside of highlighting that you've been ignored multiple times when asking to be taken off the list) you can add that their privacy policy page is not listing a contact email address, and that by not honoring your request, they are violating the very CAN-SPAM act that they were proudly listing to be upholding:

• The Athletic
  
• CAN-SPAM Act: A Compliance Guide for Business (see §6)

Thanks. Not sure if I wanna waste my time fighting those assclowns but thanks for the advice. I'll think about it.

Wondering what they're thinking though. Even assuming that I had the slightest intention to sign up...do they really think that I'm more likely to do it the more newsletters they send me? That's awful marketing. Seeing the permanent sales and the forced twitter promo by their writers Rooster mentioned, I wonder whether they're in trouble financially. They must also buy data because otherwise (unless somebody is trolling me) they wouldn't have my email. Certainly looks like desperation to me. Not even for viagra pills did I ever receive that many promo mails and, assuming that I'm not the only victim, they're about to ruin their reputation. You don't do that unless you're desperate or completely bonkers.

 

[Mattb124]

It's poster routinely using hyperbole to blow little issues or perceived issues way out of proportion that leads to everyone arguing about it for pages and pages. Then Kurz reads it, is like these fools are insane, gets snarky on twitter for the lulz, people here get mad, he sees that and laughs, and the cycle repeats.

If every post is "this persons a moron" "Wilson is a ****ing idiot" "Karlsson is the worst ****ing player ever" you get this

Edit: Seriously, read the thread. After #628 the entire things collapses into an argument about how message board posters can evaluate talent and sometimes better than GM's and it's the GM's that are dumb for not seeing the value of Schlemko like posters here can...which is exactly what Kurz is getting at when he says what he says

#firedougwilson

#firepetedeboer

#appealtoauthority

Kurz can be patronizing given his position, but very frankly the manic and know it all because of advanced stats nature of many on this board invite it upon themselves.

 

[FunkyPhin]

Back to the roster discussion, DW saying he might be interested in a rental, who's out there that could make a legit difference? Duchene, Stone (will OTT really make another trade with the sharks again?) Panarin? Eberle? Simmonds?
Who do you guys think, and what do you think it'll take to land them

 

[Pinkfloyd]

#firedougwilson

#firepetedeboer

#appealtoauthority

Kurz can be patronizing given his position, but very frankly the manic and know it all because of advanced stats nature of many on this board invite it upon themselves.

Invite what upon themselves? Having someone with a platform purposely misrepresent their views because they have an opinion you don't share? People that have had the views of firing DeBoer or Wilson have had legitimate reasons for such a position. Outright dismissing them because you don't agree with them and then misrepresenting them as you have done on many occasions before is being a hypocrite when you cite the same reasons as a problem from a perspective defending one that's doing it themselves.

 

[Mattb124]

Back to the roster discussion, DW saying he might be interested in a rental, who's out there that could make a legit difference? Duchene, Stone (will OTT really make another trade with the sharks again?) Panarin? Eberle? Simmonds?
Who do you guys think, and what do you think it'll take to land them

Stone strikes me like a Doug Wilson type of player, but I highly doubt we have the assets to land him.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

LOL! What a smug attitude and unprofessional tone.

People who wanted DeBoer fired have absolutely not been proven wrong either. This team has the two best defensemen in the NHL, being 6th in points percentage with this personnel doesn’t automatically mean that the coach is absolved of all blame.

 

[Mattb124]

People that have had the views of firing DeBoer or Wilson have had legitimate reasons for such a position.

No they haven't.

And that is EXACTLY my point. Thank you.

 

[Mattb124]

LOL! What a smug attitude and unprofessional tone.

People who wanted DeBoer fired have absolutely not been proven wrong either. This team has the two best defensemen in the NHL, being 6th in points percentage with this personnel doesn’t automatically mean that the coach is absolved of all blame.

And thank you.