2018-2019 Roster Discussion - Official Roster is In

[hbk]

I appreciate how entertaining our system is but I’m not seeing the development of our future core that I’m willing to give Tocchet an A grade thus far. We need more from our young forwards.

 

[BlazingBlueAnt]

RT's response is always "someone has to make a play" a system that depends on a player pulling something out of their ass is a flawed system imho.

 

[CLW]

RT's response is always "someone has to make a play" a system that depends on a player pulling something out of their ass is a flawed system imho.

It takes either that, or the opposing team makes a mistake or a lucky bounce.

 

[mrjiggyfly]

I appreciate how entertaining our system is but I’m not seeing the development of our future core that I’m willing to give Tocchet an A grade thus far. We need more from our young forwards.

I agree with this completely.

 

[zerekstar]

Our record is better then what I expected but the thing that bothers me is that it just looks like we can't draft and develop our own prospects. With all the high picks we have had, I would like to see more effort and skill from them on the ice.

 

[BlazingBlueAnt]

2015 draft is gonna haunt us for years

 

[TheLegend]

2015 draft is gonna haunt us for years

Auston Matthews being born two days too damn late is gonna haunt us for years.

 

[SR]

I think what you are watching has more to do with talent than system.

Comparing tippets system to tochetts system is apples to oranges. Pretty confident when I say I prefer the system of tochetts than years past.

 

[TheLegend]

Just my $0.02....

Up until Chayka came on board we were drafting based upon Dave Tippett.

Since then it’s been players based upon Rick Tocchet.

Players drafted under the former are now having to adapt themselves into being the latter, and the learning curve for each player is going to be different, if they ever can get there.

 

[RemoAZ]

I appreciate how entertaining our system is but I’m not seeing the development of our future core that I’m willing to give Tocchet an A grade thus far. We need more from our young forwards.

Can't "Like" this post enough. Love the system's push towards more speed and offense. Hate the lack of making development of our youth the priority at this point in the rebuild.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

Comparing tippets system to tochetts system is apples to oranges. Pretty confident when I say I prefer the system of tochetts than years past.

I heard Tippet interviewed after his first season. He noted that when talking with the GM when he took the job Tippet told him that given the low level of talent and high end players he would implement a slow down system and try to win games 2 to 1. He also noted that he needed a top 10 goalie to make it work.

 

[Grimes]

Our record is better then what I expected but the thing that bothers me is that it just looks like we can't draft and develop our own prospects. With all the high picks we have had, I would like to see more effort and skill from them on the ice.

Agreed. If we had this record and Perlini had Richardsons point total, Fischer had Grabners and Strome was playing 3rd line minutes, this season would feel like a triumph. Instead we are winning games, but are not getting the wins because of the players we have on the roster for years to come. It's concerning.

 

[rt]

Agreed. If we had this record and Perlini had Richardsons point total, Fischer had Grabners and Strome was playing 3rd line minutes, this season would feel like a triumph. Instead we are winning games, but are not getting the wins because of the players we have on the roster for years to come. It's concerning.

Also, Richardson and Grabner will both completely freeze over any game now. I promise both will have month long slumps starting within a couple of weeks. They always have and always will. Who’s going to step up? Probably nobody and we’ll end up with last season in reverse.

 

[rt]

Can't "Like" this post enough. Love the system's push towards more speed and offense. Hate the lack of making development of our youth the priority at this point in the rebuild.

It’s just our luck. We get the new system we thirsted for but the old ideology we were sick of. #coyoteslife

 

[rt]

2015 draft is gonna haunt us for years

The 1996-2015 drafts are gonna haunt us forever.

 

[rt]

Keller and OEL share our scoring lead with 12 points each. That ties them for 123rd-140th in the league with 18 other players. One of which is Anthony Duclair. Mikkel Boedker has 11 points. Haha.

 

[RemoAZ]

Keller and OEL share our scoring lead with 12 points each. That ties them for 123rd-140th in the league with 18 other players. One of which is Anthony Duclair. Mikkel Boedker has 11 points. Haha.

And Max Domi has 24.

 

[Grimes]

And Max Domi has 24.

Which is OEL and Kellers totals combined...

 

[rt]

And Max Domi has 24.

Probably best to just become a Montreal fan. I think I like Domi more than the Coyotes anyway. If the Habs acquired Yandle, I’d drop the Coyotes in a second. If they hadn’t dealt Subban, I’d have dropped the Coyotes the day the Domi trade went down. I’m ______ this close.

 

[Sinurgy]

I remember loving the old team but still being a little frustrated they never had any big "stars". Doan, Yandle, OEL, Hanzal, Whitney, Vrbata, Aucoin, Morris, etc....I don't think my sentiment at the time was necessarily incorrect but man talk about not realizing what you had until it's gone. That team would absolutely destroy the current incarnation of the Yotes.

I'm starting to become concerned the team is going to emerge (if you can call it that) from the rebuild in a worse spot than when they entered it. Nothing like tearing down mediocrity and rebuilding it into mediocrity. What's the point of going full rebuild if you don't really rebuild? I suppose I'm just jealous of all the other teams who sucked while the Coyotes did yet they're all emerging with great promise. I love Keller but if he was a Canuck he'd be their 3rd best youngster behind Pettersson and Boeser. The Nylander to Matthews and Marner. The Reinhart to Eichel and Dahlin. The Ehlers to Laine and Connor. The Nugent-Hopkins to McDavid and Draisaitl.

f***!

 

[rt]

We need to miss the playoffs by a point or two and win a friggin lottery. That’s it.

 

[FinnishCoyote]

It is just amazing, how we have had so many high picks and still our last player who managed to score 70 points were fossil of Ray Whitney.

You can't deny that we have been unlucky, maybe unluckiest organization in the whole universe, but still drafting mediocre player after mediocre player with high picks is totally unacceptable

 

[Jakey53]

I appreciate how entertaining our system is but I’m not seeing the development of our future core that I’m willing to give Tocchet an A grade thus far. We need more from our young forwards.

Exactly correct. I thought Strome's line looked good last game but only got around I think it was 8 TOI. For us as a team to improve in the standings we will need the kids to step it up, and of course our PP has to get a life.

 

[Jakey53]

I remember loving the old team but still being a little frustrated they never had any big "stars". Doan, Yandle, OEL, Hanzal, Whitney, Vrbata, Aucoin, Morris, etc....I don't think my sentiment at the time was necessarily incorrect but man talk about not realizing what you had until it's gone. That team would absolutely destroy the current incarnation of the Yotes.

I'm starting to become concerned the team is going to emerge (if you can call it that) from the rebuild in a worse spot than when they entered it. Nothing like tearing down mediocrity and rebuilding it into mediocrity. What's the point of going full rebuild if you don't really rebuild? I suppose I'm just jealous of all the other teams who sucked while the Coyotes did yet they're all emerging with great promise. I love Keller but if he was a Canuck he'd be their 3rd best youngster behind Pettersson and Boeser. The Nylander to Matthews and Marner. The Reinhart to Eichel and Dahlin. The Ehlers to Laine and Connor. The Nugent-Hopkins to McDavid and Draisaitl.

****!

A rebuild does not guarantee winning. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't, but I agree with what you are saying and it's a little depressing not to have that star power of the other teams.

 

[Kaibur]

I still believe our greater problem is development, rather than drafting. Chayka believes the draft is mostly a crapshoot, and I agree.

Look at the forward prospects who have been scoring forwards that we've tried to develop (and failed at nearly every turn). If a forward isn't basically NHL-ready coming out of junior/collegiate, we're probably best off trading them, because our AHL development system has been so bad, it sucks the value right out of our prospects.

Keller and Mueller skipped directly from junior/collegiate to pro and scored 20+ goals their first year. No other Coyotes prospect has been able to pot 20+ goals IN ANY SEASON, no matter how much development focus we've given them.

At this stage of the development track, we needed a coach who would hand-hold our best prospects - no matter which system they were drafted to be integrated into. Playing Cousins over Strome? And on the PP? That shows a coach thinking about winning a fairly meaningless game in the short term, with no vision on how to develop a core to win a Stanley Cup in the long term.

If you can't develop your own scoring forwards, maybe you're better off trading your top 10 picks for veteran help to speed up the rebuild and get you into the playoffs. No team had traded a top 10 pick for a player in a very long time, so it was worth a shot given our circumstances. But that has failed too. Raanta has been injured too often to carry us to the postseason. And Stepan is a good role model, but he's not a 1C, and he's being paid $6M by a budget team and he's on pace for 35 points through the quarter pole. That's simply not good enough.

At this point, I think we can safely expect to see this team miss the playoffs for a franchise setting 7th straight season. And we'll probably pick 12th overall.