Line Combos: 2018-19 Starting Roster II

[portamoral]

Copp is leading the Jets' forwards in Evolving Hockey's expected goals for per 60 (xGF_60, RAPM) by a considerable margin. I'm not convinced that you couldn't put Copp between two very talented wingers like Ehlers and Connor and run that as your second line. He has speed, decent vision, some finishing ability and is outstanding defensively. Ehlers and Connor are dynamic enough to create offense.

Next year...

Laine-Scheifele-Wheeler
Connor-Copp-Ehlers
Vesalainen-Little-Roslovic
Perreault-Lowry-Appleton

that 3rd line looks very bad

also not convinced copp is anything more than a good 3C. he's having a real nice season but so was lowry last year and look at him now. the 2 are pretty similar players, i don't think he has the consistent offense to warrant playing that high up the lineup

 

[Whileee]

that 3rd line looks very bad

also not convinced copp is anything more than a good 3C. he's having a real nice season but so was lowry last year and look at him now. the 2 are pretty similar players, i don't think he has the consistent offense to warrant playing that high up the lineup

I think offense from the C position is overrated. You could mix around the third and 4th lines a bit, moving Perreault to LW with Littele. I think Vesalainen and Roslovic are going to be very good wingers, but time will tell.

 

[portamoral]

I think offense from the C position is overrated. You could mix around the third and 4th lines a bit, moving Perreault to LW with Littele. I think Vesalainen and Roslovic are going to be very good wingers, but time will tell.

wasn't just talking offense from the C position but offense from the 2nd line in general. i think it'd be worth trying copp with more skill this year before the playoffs, but to rely on him in the 2 slot next year is pushing it a bit imo. i was starting to think the same thing about lowry after last season and then this season happened.

i am still very hopeful for roslovic but vesalainen i have serious doubts, especially that soon.

 

[garret9]

Partly, but he also leads Jets' forwards in xGPM_60, and it's not very close. He's having an outstanding season however look at it.

^ this

 

[Whileee]

I'm tempted to make a full "Andrew Copp Appreciation Thread", but instead I'll just leave nuggets here and there.

Copp is 2nd among Jets Cs in total points/60 (5v5), and matches well in the metric with players like E Staal and B Schenn, among others.

Here is where the Jets Cs fit in the NHL in total points/60 (5v5), considering only players with 400+ minutes this season...

Copp sits at around 72 in the NHL, despite playing mostly with low-scoring line-mates. He's ahead of Little and within shouting distance of Scheifele.

I think the Jets would be very smart to try Copp with a couple of scoring wingers, as they have with Perreault and Roslovic. I think he would also fit very well with Connor or Laine with Ehlers.

 

[Al Camino]

Is is just me or is that third line not looking so good? Wasn't the point of getting Hayes to have Little move down and take advantage of going against inferior competition? Does this organization over value what Adam Lowry is? Not trying to be sarcastic, just wondering what everyone's thoughts are.

 

[surixon]

I'm tempted to make a full "Andrew Copp Appreciation Thread", but instead I'll just leave nuggets here and there.

Copp is 2nd among Jets Cs in total points/60 (5v5), and matches well in the metric with players like E Staal and B Schenn, among others.

Here is where the Jets Cs fit in the NHL in total points/60 (5v5), considering only players with 400+ minutes this season...

Copp sits at around 72 in the NHL, despite playing mostly with low-scoring line-mates. He's ahead of Little and within shouting distance of Scheifele.

I think the Jets would be very smart to try Copp with a couple of scoring wingers, as they have with Perreault and Roslovic. I think he would also fit very well with Connor or Laine with Ehlers.

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Is this am outlier year ala Lowry last year or does he have a history of scoring at a decent clip?

 

[JetsFan815]

Is is just me or is that third line not looking so good? Wasn't the point of getting Hayes to have Little move down and take advantage of going against inferior competition? Does this organization over value what Adam Lowry is? Not trying to be sarcastic, just wondering what everyone's thoughts are.

Tanev-Lowry-Little line is the line I've been most disappointed by. They have had a couple of good games but haven't looked threatening other than that. I expected them to be much better

 

[DRW204]

ive been a proponent of giving Copp more talent on his line. he's been performing well offensively/defensively with a majority of the time being paired with Appleton/Lemieux and Roslovic, two rookies and a guy who can't produce at 5v5. it doesn't surprise me Perreault started to produce more since he has been playing with Copp. If i recall Copp is far and away the leader on the team in 5v5 +/- too?

 

[Neuf]

Is is just me or is that third line not looking so good? Wasn't the point of getting Hayes to have Little move down and take advantage of going against inferior competition? Does this organization over value what Adam Lowry is? Not trying to be sarcastic, just wondering what everyone's thoughts are.

Yeah banishing Little was a weird result.

 

[Maukkis]

Is this am outlier year ala Lowry last year or does he have a history of scoring at a decent clip?

...look away now...

 

[DashingDane]

...look away now...

Where can I find that kind of graphic for the rest of the team?

 

[Maukkis]

Where can I find that kind of graphic for the rest of the team?

WPG 1819

Those are under 'career' next to each player.

 

[DashingDane]

WPG 1819

Those are under 'career' next to each player.

Thanks!

 

[Whileee]

Tanev-Lowry-Little line is the line I've been most disappointed by. They have had a couple of good games but haven't looked threatening other than that. I expected them to be much better

If that line can play opponents' top 2 lines to even, then the Jets are in very good shape. I don't think they need to score much. However, to date they have been buried in shot metrics and need to improve or that experiment needs to end. I've been underwhelmed by Tanev's game lately. He's making a lot of poor decisions with the puck, particularly in his own zone. Lowry has been up and down.

 

[DRW204]

If that line can play opponents' top 2 lines to even, then the Jets are in very good shape. I don't think they need to score much. However, to date they have been buried in shot metrics and need to improve or that experiment needs to end. I've been underwhelmed by Tanev's game lately. He's making a lot of poor decisions with the puck, particularly in his own zone. Lowry has been up and down.

i kind of disagree. the top 6 is poor/inefficient at 5v5 scoring and the combo of top 6 players is negative at 5v5 +/-. It's sub-optimal but the bottom 6 needs to make up the fact that the top 6 has scoring inefficiencies. Copp typically does whilst playing good defensively. Lowry is a defensive specialist who's fallen off compared to last year

 

[Maukkis]

i kind of disagree. the top 6 is poor/inefficient at 5v5 scoring and the combo of top 6 players is negative at 5v5 +/-. It's sub-optimal but the bottom 6 needs to make up the fact that the top 6 has scoring inefficiencies. Copp typically does whilst playing good defensively. Lowry is a defensive specialist who's fallen off compared to last year

Interesting. I'd be inclined to think that your best players should perform the best.

The balance we had last year (at least at times) was simply unreal. How nearly everyone has lost several steps over the summer is unbelievable.

 

[DRW204]

Interesting. I'd be inclined to think that your best players should perform the best.

The balance we had last year (at least at times) was simply unreal. How nearly everyone has lost several steps over the summer is unbelievable.

agreed that's why i said it is sub-optimal. but the fact is they haven't been performing at top line quality at 5v5 for majority of the year, other guys who have displayed good 5v5 scoring efficiencies in the past (ie: Lowry, Roslovic) have taken steps back as well.

so yes - our top line players should be better, i also think there are other guys in supporting roles who should be scoring at better efficiencies too that should step up a bit.

 

[MoreMorrissey]

Laine-Scheif-Roslo
Connor-Hayes-Wheeler
Perreault-Little-Ehlers
Tanev-Lowry-Copp

In the quest to find a 3rd scoring line we reunite PLE hoping it works as it has in previous seasons.
Give Roslo (and the first line as a whole) some easy matchups hoping all 3 guys rediscover the form we know they are capable of.
Wheeler and Hayes would be a cycling machine and would set up our 30 goal farmboy with some ridiculous sauce.
CLT enough said.
Balanced ice time, what do y'all think?

 

[DRW204]

Laine-Scheif-Roslo
Connor-Hayes-Wheeler
Perreault-Little-Ehlers
Tanev-Lowry-Copp

In the quest to find a 3rd scoring line we reunite PLE hoping it works as it has in previous seasons.
Give Roslo (and the first line as a whole) some easy matchups hoping all 3 guys rediscover the form we know they are capable of.
Wheeler and Hayes would be a cycling machine and would set up our 30 goal farmboy with some ridiculous sauce.
CLT enough said.
Balanced ice time, what do y'all think?

I think Copp deserves a look between higher skilled players tbh. he's been one of the more unheralded players on the team rating well both offensively and defensively. Consider also he was playing most of the year b/w 2 rookies (Appleton and Lemieux) and a guy with underwhelming 5v5 production (Roslovic). I have not been impressed with Roslovic at all this year. I don't see any instance he should be playing over Wheeler or Ehlers. Id rather keep 55-26 together than 28 on the top line.

I also think Perreault has been a bit mis-casted this season. I think he can still provide good results in a top 6 role.

Perreault-Scheifele-Laine
Ehlers-Hayes-Wheeler
Connor-Copp-Roslovic
Tanev-Lowry-Little

Each scoring line (lines 1-3) has a strong goal scorer/playmaker/and a skilled grinder.

You can also put Little at 3C and unite TLC if needed too.

 

[Duke749]

Copp needs to center a line. He’s playing too well to not even if it means putting Little on the wing. Wouldn’t be opposed to those two in a line honestly.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think Copp deserves a look between higher skilled players tbh. he's been one of the more unheralded players on the team rating well both offensively and defensively. Consider also he was playing most of the year b/w 2 rookies (Appleton and Lemieux) and a guy with underwhelming 5v5 production (Roslovic). I have not been impressed with Roslovic at all this year. I don't see any instance he should be playing over Wheeler or Ehlers. Id rather keep 55-26 together than 28 on the top line.

I also think Perreault has been a bit mis-casted this season. I think he can still provide good results in a top 6 role.

Perreault-Scheifele-Laine
Ehlers-Hayes-Wheeler
Connor-Copp-Roslovic
Tanev-Lowry-Little

Each scoring line (lines 1-3) has a strong goal scorer/playmaker/and a skilled grinder.

You can also put Little at 3C and unite TLC if needed too.

Perrault has not been any better than Roslovic. Roslovic at least shows the spark of something more while Perrault doesn't.

 

[Maukkis]

Perrault has not been any better than Roslovic. Roslovic at least shows the spark of something more while Perrault doesn't.

Yeah. The things Perreault has been better than Roslovic in are...

- point production rate at 5v5
- relative xG differential
- relative Corsi differential
- individual goal- and xG production rate

Soooo... yeah, that spark you're alluding to might be a little less important than you think.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Yeah. The things Perreault has been better than Roslovic in are...

- point production rate at 5v5
- relative xG differential
- relative Corsi differential
- individual goal- and xG production rate

Soooo... yeah, that spark you're alluding to might be a little less important than you think.

At 4x the cost Perrault is such a bargain.

 

[Maukkis]

At 4x the cost Perrault is such a bargain.

He has a history of being well worth the price. This year is the outlier.