2018-19 Roster Talk: Part One
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deadhead
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Voracek is what he is, a very good player who will never play up to his athletic skill because he's not as focused on defense as he is on offense. He's frustrating, because you look at his size and speed and can envision a dominant forward instead of merely a very good one.
But he's a better player than say TK right now, TK struggled with every combination he played with last year except G and Couts, Voracek's advanced metrics were the same where ever he played, his points declined when his linemates couldn't score but it wasn't for lack of trying by V.
That's why Voracek could fit right on the second line with Patrick and Lindblom, and if need be, you could put him with Laughton - the only center he didn't do well with was Filppula, but there's some extenuating circumstances.
But he's a better player than say TK right now, TK struggled with every combination he played with last year except G and Couts, Voracek's advanced metrics were the same where ever he played, his points declined when his linemates couldn't score but it wasn't for lack of trying by V.
That's why Voracek could fit right on the second line with Patrick and Lindblom, and if need be, you could put him with Laughton - the only center he didn't do well with was Filppula, but there's some extenuating circumstances.
Outlaw Samurai
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Dude..
.75 points per game for his career.
One of the best wingers in the game. With a scoring LW in JVR he’ll be a beast.
Also, his beard is badass.
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Well, you're not as confused as he is.
TheKingPin
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That would be nice. Either way we will be a 2 line team next year and a three line team after that.
hatcher
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No show in playoffs though. Can't trust him.Dude..
.75 points per game for his career.
One of the best wingers in the game. With a scoring LW in JVR he’ll be a beast.
Also, his beard is badass.
Those excuses wont fly anymore. The only holes in our line up this year will be the ones he chooses to put in there...which is the issue everyone has with him. He actually has a really good team on paper now...with depth good enough to have guys like Lindblom and Simmonds on the 3rd line and guys like Raffl and Weal on the 4th. These were all guys who played in our top 6 at different points the last couple seasons, so the team is finally shaping up like it should. If the coach chooses to put those guys back in the top 6 and demote TK...or if he insists a guy like Lethera should be in the line up...then the depth falls apart...but that is on him. Deadhead even you can agree Lethera has no business being in the top 9 this year.
One thing I will give Hak credit for is that his boring calm day to day style is actually good for the dog days of the season. The team usually has a stretch each year where they get in a groove and gain a lot of points over a 20 game stretch or so because they just play their game. The problem with Hak is going to be the playoffs. His line up decisions easily cost the Flyers a shot in that series. They are going to need the best possible line up on the ice to beat a team like the Pens or Caps in the 1st round but his love for his shitty vets is going to prevent that every time.
Outlaw Samurai
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His post season stats as a Flyer dips to .6 per game but big shock, his average BEFORE beet-boy showed up was .77 per game (slightly above his average) from 2011-2014.
Since Hak, he's dropped to .33 per game (12 games; 4 points).
His inability to matchup in the playoffs plays a big role in this imo. Getting your star players in the best position to succeed matters. K being dropped off the line for example.
I will say Jake can be frustrating at times but still an incredible winger we are lucky to have.
deadhead
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No coach was beating the Penguins with last year's team, reality check, they just weren't that talented.
Taking them to 6 games was about as much as anyone could reasonably expect, and they had a shot in that 6th game if Gudas doesn't meltdown.
Lehtera played 10 minutes a night, the bottom six basically sucked. Weal was the only one who should have played more, and he was inconsistent.
This year could be better if Ron can find a 3C - that's the key to this season.
However, with Couts playing 20+ and Patrick 18-20 minutes a night, we're talking 20-22 minutes between the 3C and 4C.
You can live with Laughton at 4C with Raffl and NAK until Vorobyev is ready, but Laughton is not a 3C, and I doubt Weal can handle it.
The only way Weise and Lehtera see the ice this year is if everyone else is injured or goes belly up. If they land a 3C, not sure there is room on the roster for Weal and Leier, much less those two.
This is a GM issue, but Ron has lots of assets and plenty of time, no reason to panic right now, see Vorobyev and Frost in camp, see who is willing to move a veteran C for cheap in late September.
Hakstol would have loved Ron to get him O'Reilly or Bozak to play 3C this year, that would have made making out a lineup card a breeze.
Right now bottom six center is a mess, but Ron's problem is he's looking at Frost, Vorobyev and Rubtsov in 2019-20, so he doesn't want to block them.
Ideally, find a solid RH C who can move to RW next year and replace Simmonds.
Taking them to 6 games was about as much as anyone could reasonably expect, and they had a shot in that 6th game if Gudas doesn't meltdown.
Lehtera played 10 minutes a night, the bottom six basically sucked. Weal was the only one who should have played more, and he was inconsistent.
This year could be better if Ron can find a 3C - that's the key to this season.
However, with Couts playing 20+ and Patrick 18-20 minutes a night, we're talking 20-22 minutes between the 3C and 4C.
You can live with Laughton at 4C with Raffl and NAK until Vorobyev is ready, but Laughton is not a 3C, and I doubt Weal can handle it.
The only way Weise and Lehtera see the ice this year is if everyone else is injured or goes belly up. If they land a 3C, not sure there is room on the roster for Weal and Leier, much less those two.
This is a GM issue, but Ron has lots of assets and plenty of time, no reason to panic right now, see Vorobyev and Frost in camp, see who is willing to move a veteran C for cheap in late September.
Hakstol would have loved Ron to get him O'Reilly or Bozak to play 3C this year, that would have made making out a lineup card a breeze.
Right now bottom six center is a mess, but Ron's problem is he's looking at Frost, Vorobyev and Rubtsov in 2019-20, so he doesn't want to block them.
Ideally, find a solid RH C who can move to RW next year and replace Simmonds.
deadhead
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That has less to do with Hak than the decline in quality depth at forward, and Giroux's falloff at center.
Three years ago he was paired with Giroux, so can't blame Hak for the same combination that worked in the past.
Last year, Lindblom and Patrick struggled, so that dragged Voracek down.
Tripod
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ummm....what about the stretches where we lose 10 in a row?
I officially think Simmonds won't be traded until at the earliest the TDL. Hextall will see how this roster performs and if they are competing for a playoff spot keep him.
I hate the term "own rental" but that's basically what Simmonds is at this point. A guy you probably should trade but then want to add if you're looking to win some playoff games.
I hate the term "own rental" but that's basically what Simmonds is at this point. A guy you probably should trade but then want to add if you're looking to win some playoff games.
Tripod
I hate this team
I agree. I think that is one reason Hextall wanted Allison to be in the AHL this coming year. If he played well and showed he was NHL ready thru the season, he could explore Simmonds offers.
But I think Simmonds is here to stay now.
CS
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IF frost makes the team (which I dont consider likely since I think 3C is Laughtons to lose) then I think you have to consider leaving Patrick and Lindblom with Voracek to make a JVR, Frost, Simmonds line and giving them a ton of ozone draws. Shelter them defensively and hope they become Hartnell, Bridge, Leino.
Played 2016 playoffs on broken foot. Just can't trust him, simple as that.
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Which, to be honest, is probably the smartest move at this point.
BrindamoursNose
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Can we just agree that we're better WITH Voracek than without him and shadduppp about it at least until the season begins?
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Outlaw Samurai
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New scapegoat to replace Schenn? Thereal reason why G and Jake campained for jvr to come back, ehh?
Beef Invictus
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Any coach could've given them a better chance by not making horrible decisions.
The talent gap between the teams does non match the absysmal record. But once you account for things like Half eagerly trying to match Flip against Crosby, it makes sense.
Our roster cannot overcome such stupidity
hatcher
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I get whatever I want.Hatch, how do you get this much internet access locked away in the insane asylum?
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