Speculation: 2017 NHL Draft Thread.

[raynman]

I'm looking forward to the draft and agree with others that just because there aren't the high quality generational talents at the top, it doesn't there won't be solid players found throughout. It'll be interesting to see how the expansion draft affects the normal entry draft trading considering the expansion draft occurs before the entry draft. I'm guessing we'll see more deals during and immediately after the playoffs? Or perhaps during the expansion draft?

 

[A Star is Burns]

I'm looking forward to the draft and agree with others that just because there aren't the high quality generational talents at the top, it doesn't there won't be solid players found throughout. It'll be interesting to see how the expansion draft affects the normal entry draft trading considering the expansion draft occurs before the entry draft. I'm guessing we'll see more deals during and immediately after the playoffs? Or perhaps during the expansion draft?

I would think so as well. I'm sure the NHL won't love deals happening in the playoffs, taking attention away, or whatever. But I think teams that are eliminated or didn't make it will definitely make them happen when they happen and not risk the deal not coming together later.

 

[Unsustainable]

If we could grab a later 1st, Isaac Ratcliffe would be a solid grab, if we could get a top 5 pick with Vilardi, we have a very good set of forwards then.

 

[NotOpie]

Yes, which is where the "things can always go wrong with prospects" comes in. Staal is a very solid player, but I'd say things went wrong to some degree compared to what you'd want from a second overall pick. Look at Toews going right behind him. So there's definitely risk involved in any prospect, but I don't see any way Patrick shouldn't be "projected" to be better than Staal. It's like some have resigned themselves already to the probable first overall pick being nothing more than a middle 6er at best because it's a weak draft. I think he'd be comparable to a Draisaitl level player, and most of us would give up Faulk to get that right now.

Although my use of "much" was overdone there

Draisaitl+

What you've never been to the main trade board?

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

I'm not sure if it's just me, but I am pretty convinced that Edmonton fans hate us more than Buffalo fans still from 2006. I swear every Canes trade proposal has at least on Oiler fan saying we're overvaluing whoever is being offered.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I'm not sure if it's just me, but I am pretty convinced that Edmonton fans hate us more than Buffalo fans still from 2006. I swear every Canes trade proposal has at least on Oiler fan saying we're overvaluing whoever is being offered.

Good.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It's nice to still be hated by someone.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

What's funny about that, is go back and read what the EDM fans thought Hall and Davidson were worth.

 

[RodTheBawd]

What's funny about that, is go back and read what the EDM fans thought Hall and Davidson were worth.

What do you mean? According to them, Larsson is incredibly underrated and was a great pickup, same for DD.

 

[GoldiFox]

What's funny about that, is go back and read what the EDM fans thought Hall and Davidson were worth.

I member last week when EDM fans were saying that Pesce was just a right-handed version of Davidson. Guess we can peg Pesce's value at a worthless Cap dump.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

What do you mean? According to them, Larsson is incredibly underrated and was a great pickup, same for DD.

I actually thought, at the time of the trade, that Larsson was a good move for them. HF tends to look strictly at player value when evaluating a trade. (OMG, Hall only got them Larsson!!!). GMs look at how to improve their team. The Oilers without Hall but with Larsson are a better team, no question. I also think Davidson for DD is good for them. Davidson was sitting in the press box and was going to be expansion draft fodder. DD isn't great, but he improves their bottom six.

Still, the Oiler's fans were over the top in their valuations of both players. Hall was in the "untouchable" category right up until that trade...and some Oiler's fans were adding Davidson as a key part of a trade proposal for Faulk.

I guess I shouldn't talk though. If/when Faulk, or Hanifin, or whoever, is traded, we may be in same boat.

 

[RodTheBawd]

I wasn't commenting on the actual value of that trade (which I thought wasn't terrible), moreso on Oilers fans comments leading up to it (as you've pointed out).

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I wasn't commenting on the actual value of that trade (which I thought wasn't terrible), moreso on Oilers fans comments leading up to it (as you've pointed out).

ah..yeah. fair enough.

 

[SaskCanesFan]

Draisaitl+

What you've never been to the main trade board?

I thought it was Draisaitl for Faulk+ there lol

 

[Anton Babchuk]

Our first round pick

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=196908&encode=TRUE

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

1 goal and 22 pim in 7 games?

yeah

seems like our guy

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

1 goal and 22 pim in 7 games?

yeah

seems like our guy

Definitely. He's got NHL size already. We could use a few more big bodies.

 

[NotOpie]

If we could grab a later 1st, Isaac Ratcliffe would be a solid grab, if we could get a top 5 pick with Vilardi, we have a very good set of forwards then.

He'll likely be available in the 2nd round.

I thought it was Draisaitl for Faulk+ there lol

You from Edmonton bro.

Our first round pick

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=196908&encode=TRUE

One a more serious note, ISS came out with their Top 31 for March the other day.

http://www.isshockey.com/iss-top-31-march-2017/

Not a lot of changes but there is some size. I've heard mixed reviews on both Rasmussen and Mittelstadt, and the clips I've seen of them are "highlights" which never show the "low lights".

Right now I'd guess we'll end up picking 10th or 11th. Unless we pick defense again (Valimaki is very good and would be the most Canes pick ever, even if he's a lefty), we'd be looking at a guy like Eeli Tolvanen or reaching a bit for fast rising Cody Glass (who I'd be fine with).

The upshot is this draft is tailor-made for the Canes to package that 1st round pick for young offensive help. I cannot imagine that isn't part of the thought process on Edwards Mill Rd.

 

[MMM]

Do Canes own NJ 3rd in this year's draft?

We're the conditions of the Ruutu trade met? I'm seeing conflicting views on this on the internet.

 

[NotOpie]

We're the conditions of the Ruutu trade met? I'm seeing conflicting views on this on the internet.

Pretty certain our GM is confident that pick is the Canes.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

We're the conditions of the Ruutu trade met? I'm seeing conflicting views on this on the internet.

Yes, the Canes have that pick. Mike Smith (Canes Web director and reporter) tweeted last year that they definitively have it last year.

Mike Sundheim, Canes PR guy recently tweeted that Canes have it also. These are not "low level employees", these are guys that speak on behalf of the Canes.

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Lebrun and Sherry Ross both tweeted out that the Devil's don't have their own 3rd round pick as well, so I think the information out there is pretty consistent. Per both of them, the Devil's have: their own 1st, their own 2nd, Boston's 2nd, Colorado's 3rd, San Jose's 3rd (for hiring DeBoer), their own 4th, Nashville's 4th, their own 5th, their own 6th and their own 7th (which was conditional to Philly or LA

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0620307746360663051-4

 

[Lucky Lindy]

I would like them to take a Swede so I can have someone over here to watch.

 

[Breakdowns]

I would like them to take a Swede so I can have someone over here to watch.

How many Sweds you want to have @ Canes?

 

[Hulkacaniac]

I would like them to take a Swede so I can have someone over here to watch.

Maybe another Elias?

 

[NotOpie]

Maybe another Elias?

Another Elias or our first Lias. Either wouldn't be bad.

Digging a little deeper into the draft, an interesting Americans who might be there when our 2nd round picks come around:

Jason Robertson - biggish (6'2", 194 lbs) left wing prospect w/good hands and an excellent shot. Skating is above average, not a strength but also not a liability. His shot has been compared to Owen Tippett's.