NFL: 2017 NFL Training Camps thread

[Gene Parmesan]

Which is stupid.

 

[Preds Partisan]

Burfict's Rap Sheet:

Week 3, 2013: $10K — striking Packers’ Ryan Taylor in the groin
Week 3, 2013: $21K — hit on defenseless player, Packers’ James Jones
Week 8, 2013: $21K — spearing New York Jets’ WR Stephen Hill
Week 6, 2014: $25K — ankle twisting Cam Newton and Greg Olsen
Week 13, 2015: $69.4K — three separate unsportsmanlike incidents vs. Steelers
Week 17, 2015: $50K — hit to defenseless tight end Maxx Williams away from play
Wildcard Playoffs, 2016: $534K -- three-game suspension — multiple violations of player-safety rules including hit on Antonio Brown
Week 6, 2016: $75K -- stomping on leg of LeGarrette Blount

 

[Gene Parmesan]

It looked to be within 5 yards, didn't hit him in the head or knee. It wasn't illegal. Burfict has done some greasy **** but not this time. So now receivers are untouchable on mesh routes?

 

[Preds Partisan]

It looked to be within 5 yards, didn't hit him in the head or knee. It wasn't illegal. Burfict has done some greasy **** but not this time. So now receivers are untouchable on mesh routes?

Application of new defenseless player rule adopted this off-season.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

So more grey area bs? I don't think the hit warrants a suspension.

 

[m9]

I am fine with it being a suspension, or at least working to get it out of the league. It's a reckless and unnecessary play.

 

[Shockmaster]

Burfict's Rap Sheet:

Week 3, 2013: $10K — striking Packers’ Ryan Taylor in the groin
Week 3, 2013: $21K — hit on defenseless player, Packers’ James Jones
Week 8, 2013: $21K — spearing New York Jets’ WR Stephen Hill
Week 6, 2014: $25K — ankle twisting Cam Newton and Greg Olsen
Week 13, 2015: $69.4K — three separate unsportsmanlike incidents vs. Steelers
Week 17, 2015: $50K — hit to defenseless tight end Maxx Williams away from play
Wildcard Playoffs, 2016: $534K -- three-game suspension — multiple violations of player-safety rules including hit on Antonio Brown
Week 6, 2016: $75K -- stomping on leg of LeGarrette Blount

How does a repeat offender like Burfict get suspended 3 games for his actions in the Wild Card game, then only gets fined for his next offense?

That might make NHL discipline look good in comparison.

 

[Bonzai12]

Wow - you'd think the repeated offenses would stack somehow instead of get softer. The union goes out of its way to keep these questionable dudes on the field.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

 

[What the Faulk]

So much for him being on any sort of hot seat. Not that I believed it.

 

[Avs_19]

Hard to tell exactly where Burfict hit him on the replay I saw but that was a completely unnecessary play. He's the dirtiest player in the NFL and him getting 5 games means now there are only 11 games for him to do something idiotic, which is good for the opposing players.

 

[What the Faulk]

Lombardi is also saying Jarvis Landry could be on the trade block. He's due an extension. Nobody is going to give them what he's worth. It'd be real stupid if this is true.

 

[mouser]

Application of new defenseless player rule adopted this off-season.

2017 RULES CHANGES

In the interest of protecting players from unnecessary risk, NFL owners voted to:

- Prohibit running toward and leaping across the line of scrimmage in an obvious attempt to block field goal or extra-point kick. Previously, it was a foul if the “leaper” contacted other players. Now it is illegal if he crosses the line of scrimmage, regardless of whether he contacts other players.

- Give a receiver running a pass route defenseless player protection when a defender approaches from behind or the side. The change prohibits forcible contact to the head or neck area or with the crown of the helmet. Once the receiver becomes a blocker, or assumes a blocking posture, he no longer has defenseless player protection.

- Prohibit crackback blocks by an offensive player in a backfield position and in motion, even if he is not more than two yards outside the tackle when the ball is snapped. A player in motion can legally block a defender if he blocks upfield and not back toward the position where the ball was snapped.

- Reduce the length of preseason and regular season overtime periods to 10 minutes.

Guess it will come down to whether one thinks they've been making defenseless player calls correctly in recent years. Looks like they're expanding the situations in which it can be called, but the criteria for determining if the hit itself is on a defenseless player should be the same.

 

[Preds Partisan]

Bengal's announcer defended Burfict by asking "what about the Steelers, why aren't they penalized more?" Whataboutism at its finest.

 

[GKJ]

Saints out here trading for long snappers

 

[Bonzai12]

Broncos won't give Sloter a chance at all.

Sloter - 16/20, 193 yards, 2 TD and 0 INT in the preseason
Lynch - 16/24, 90 yards, 0 TD and 0 INT in preseason

Sloter's probably had the best camp of all 3 QB's, but they won't even let him sniff the #2 job. Unreal.

If your team needs a backup or a development guy, hope they steal this kid away from the Broncos. It's ridiculous how they're treating him here and coddling Paxton.

 

[GKJ]

There's more invested in Lynch. Just as it looks bad on the coaching if he's not a starter in year 2, it looks even worse if a 1st round pick in year 2 gets passed on the depth chart, and then your staff and front office don't look good either. That'll get Elway asking more questions than they want him to.

 

[Troy McClure]

Bengal's announcer defended Burfict by asking "what about the Steelers, why aren't they penalized more?" Whataboutism at its finest.

The only reason the Steelers aren't penalized more is because James Harrison has lost a step and isn't able to get to the ball carrier as often as he used to.

 

[Bonzai12]

Yeah I definitely get it. But on one hand when the media tried to question The Broncos about Lynch they take the protective role so they don't damage the kids confidence. Then when asked about Sloter they basically already tell you he's not making the team no matter what he does. He's basically chopped liver in this whole thing. But the kid has been playing better than anyone expected for sure.

 

[mulli25]

Application of new defenseless player rule adopted this off-season.

but as the rule is written, and as it was described to players and coaches, the hit was legal

How does a repeat offender like Burfict get suspended 3 games for his actions in the Wild Card game, then only gets fined for his next offense?

That might make NHL discipline look good in comparison.

cause he never actually stomped on anyone

Hard to tell exactly where Burfict hit him on the replay I saw but that was a completely unnecessary play. He's the dirtiest player in the NFL and him getting 5 games means now there are only 11 games for him to do something idiotic, which is good for the opposing players.

Its plain as day where he hit him, shoulder to the chest.

The FB should have have his head up when running across the middle less than 5yds from the LOS, and even he agreed the hit was clean.

I get wanting to make an example of Burfict, but wait until he (inevitably) does something that's actually illegal.

 

[mulli25]

Bengal's announcer defended Burfict by asking "what about the Steelers, why aren't they penalized more?" Whataboutism at its finest.

I think there can be a very real discussion about NFL's consistency in the application of flags, fines, and suspensions.

 

[Troy McClure]

cause he never actually stomped on anyone

Except when he did and it was caught on video.

 

[mulli25]

Except when he did and it was caught on video.

try again

there's a video where it looked like he might have, but you never actually see it. And there's another that came out later where you can see he does not.

 

[What the Faulk]

Seems interesting. They like their tight ends and Jesse James is pretty limited.

 

[m9]

Seems interesting. They like their tight ends and Jesse James is pretty limited.

James is a very solid backup/depth TE, he just shouldn't be a starter. Their backups (Grimble, Johnson) are fringe NFL players .

The cost seems like almost nothing, especially if it's the 49ers 5th for the Steelers 4th. Should only be a handful of spots.

The annoying part as a Steelers fan is that is that Kittle was a guy that the team seemed interested in and some of us had locked in as a later round pick. Now partially because of his emergence, we're flipping picks to get a lesser guy.