WJC: 2017 Canada Roster Talk - Part 2

[Tripod]

Also glad Hart got a chance at redemption.

3-0
2nd best SV% in tournament at .929
2nd best GAA in tournament at 1.75

 

[Raiderman74]

The guy who feels like he's getting to much credit to me is Chabot. Way more up and down than i'd expect from our supposed "#1D" and one of our 3 "players of the tournament". He's had a lot of impressive + plays, but he's also been on the wrong end of a lot of pretty brutal misplays. Haven't all ended up in the back of his own net...but man he creates a lot of events - both ways.

I would have to say you're wrong on this one. He did make a couple of mistakes today. However, the one that lead to Swedens 2nd goal was a heck of a player by Nylander.

All of the games leading up to this one, I did not see any glaring mistakes. Against the czechs, he was dominant. Czechs couldn't get it by him and he could have had 5 points. He was unreal.

The one thing that I think he needs to work on is setting people up for the onetimer. Many times in the tourney he has passed it to the shooters front leg. Other than that, I cannot complain about thing he has done.

 

[Zarzh]

Barzal was great early on in the tournament, but I haven't liked his game for much of the past 3 games. Too much individual effort, with little to show for all the dangling around.

But I guess the question is, who else deserved it? Strome, I felt, is in the same boat as Barzal. Some great games mixed with some where you wonder why there's hype. Maybe Mitchell Stephens? But he missed two games, probably knocking him out of contention.

Not really. He did dominate weak teams on the power play, but he didn't look good doing so. He made many plays which simply weren't punished by weak teams. Very predictable that he'd be neutered once he played teams which could defend.

 

[Sky04]

Glad to hear positives from TB prospects Stephens, Cirelli and Raddysh

 

[Bear12Good]

Russian people cheering for Canada

 

[PensBandwagonerNo272*]

Anyone else not very impressed by Bean? I think he's gotten better as the tournaments gone on but he seems a bit weak on the puck and indecisive. When he has space he is great but I wonder how he will fair in the NHL where space is much more limited.

 

[SuperUnknown]

Anyone else not very impressed by Bean? I think he's gotten better as the tournaments gone on but he seems a bit weak on the puck and indecisive. When he has space he is great but I wonder how he will fair in the NHL where space is much more limited.

He got back from an injury (I think to the wrist) just before the WJC so that could explain it.

 

[JackSlater]

Anyone else not very impressed by Bean? I think he's gotten better as the tournaments gone on but he seems a bit weak on the puck and indecisive. When he has space he is great but I wonder how he will fair in the NHL where space is much more limited.

He's been bad. Not sure why he was seemingly penciled into a top four spot months ago.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Anyone else not very impressed by Bean? I think he's gotten better as the tournaments gone on but he seems a bit weak on the puck and indecisive. When he has space he is great but I wonder how he will fair in the NHL where space is much more limited.

The only D performance i can remember in recent memory being worse was Ryan Murphy in 2013. I can't remember actually thinking "good play" at any point this tournament while watching Bean.

 

[PensBandwagonerNo272*]

He got back from an injury (I think to the wrist) just before the WJC so that could explain it.

Yeah that would make sense. Could be a bit shy in his play because of that. I have admittedly not followed him before this tournament to compare. Seems like a likeable kid so hoping he does well. The Canes D has the potential to be the best in the NHL easily.

 

[86Habs]

Glad to hear positives from TB prospects Stephens, Cirelli and Raddysh

Stephens and Cirelli have been great, certainly our two best forwards in the QF and SF, but I personally haven't been impressed with Raddysh since the Latvia game. His skating will need some work if he's going to make it to the NHL, but he is good at finding the soft areas in defensive coverage and getting his shot off quickly. He brings limited value away from the o-zone, though. For whatever reason the Barzal/Raddysh/Joseph line hasn't really clicked like our 3rd and 4th lines have. Consider Raddysh a longer-term project.

 

[86Habs]

The only D performance i can remember in recent memory being worse was Ryan Murphy in 2013. I can't remember actually thinking "good play" at any point this tournament while watching Bean.

Murphy is the name that came to my mind as well, a few games ago. That's not a good thing.

 

[PensBandwagonerNo272*]

Yeah I'm not super big on Raddysh either. Any play involving him seems to be a by-product of a big effort play by Barzal.

I sincerely hope the boys don't read HF though because even though I'm critical of them they obviously all have big talent and big potential and I wish them the best. Don't let a bunch of desk jockeys tell you otherwise.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

I'm all for a Jost-Barzal-Speers line

 

[86Habs]

I'm all for a Jost-Barzal-Speers line

I've been impressed by Jost and Speers, but highly doubt Ducharme will adjust the lines at this point, at least to start. I expect the bench to get shorter as the game wears on, though. I do find it odd how both Jost and Speers had their best games before being moved to Strome's line, while Stephens and Dubois have played better after being moved off of Strome's line. In my opinion, the 3rd (Roy) and 4th (Cirelli) lines will be critical to the outcome of the game tonight, as neither the Strome nor Barzal lines can seem to get much going at even strength.

 

[JackSlater]

I've been impressed by Jost and Speers, but highly doubt Ducharme will adjust the lines at this point, at least to start. I expect the bench to get shorter as the game wears on, though. I do find it odd how both Jost and Speers had their best games before being moved to Strome's line, while Stephens and Dubois have played better after being moved off of Strome's line. In my opinion, the 3rd (Roy) and 4th (Cirelli) lines will be critical to the outcome of the game tonight, as neither the Strome nor Barzal lines can seem to get much going at even strength.

The way Strome is playing this year reminds me of a pure striker in soccer. He floats around and waits for someone to feed him the puck in prime scoring areas, sometimes passes in the buildup and that's about it. Doesn't help out much near the boards. He is much less active than he was last year. The Roy and Cirelli lines are more built around pressure from all three forwards (Gauthier floats in scoring areas a bit) and hard work.

 

[Snippit]

No matter the result today, I'll be pretty happy with this tournament because this looked like an underwhelming team on paper that I thought would be lucky to get bronze.

Well coached team that plays "good old Canadian hockey".

 

[86Habs]

The way Strome is playing this year reminds me of a pure striker in soccer. He floats around and waits for someone to feed him the puck in prime scoring areas, sometimes passes in the buildup and that's about it. Doesn't help out much near the boards. He is much less active than he was last year. The Roy and Cirelli lines are more built around pressure from all three forwards (Gauthier floats in scoring areas a bit) and hard work.

That's a good description of what he's been doing, and I agree that he performed better last year. I certainly expected much more from him, given his draft position and status as a returning player. In fairness to Strome though, I thought he played his best game last night, creating some nice scoring opportunities which unfortunately weren't finished (the one with Raddysh comes to mind immediately). Putting aside his issues with skating and strength, he needs to quicken his release significantly if he's going to be successful as anything other than a PP specialist at the NHL level; NHL-caliber defencemen simply don't give that kind of time and space to a forward to do a full wind-up like he does, especially if that's the scouting report on him, and goaltenders obviously have more time to get set and react. Ironically he scored last night on a quick release screen shot.

 

[jj cale]

No matter the result today, I'll be pretty happy with this tournament because this looked like an underwhelming team on paper that I thought would be lucky to get bronze.

Well coached team that plays "good old Canadian hockey".

So far in this tournament they have only done this at times.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The guy who feels like he's getting to much credit to me is Chabot. Way more up and down than i'd expect from our supposed "#1D" and one of our 3 "players of the tournament". He's had a lot of impressive + plays, but he's also been on the wrong end of a lot of pretty brutal misplays. Haven't all ended up in the back of his own net...but man he creates a lot of events - both ways.

Wut? Chabot has been one of our best players hands down. lmao

He deserves the credit he's been getting. If you expect mistake free every game in any Junior player you are going to be disappointed. His game vs the Czechs is one of the most dominant performances at the WJC for quite a while.

 

[Zorf]

The guy who feels like he's getting to much credit to me is Chabot. Way more up and down than i'd expect from our supposed "#1D" and one of our 3 "players of the tournament". He's had a lot of impressive + plays, but he's also been on the wrong end of a lot of pretty brutal misplays. Haven't all ended up in the back of his own net...but man he creates a lot of events - both ways.

GUYS! Headline news coming!


Sometimes people make mistakes. Even 19 yr old hockey players make mistakes.


Amazing, eh? I just found that out myself a few minutes ago. Blew my mind.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Glad our guys are where they always should be, playing for gold. I'm most happy for Connor Ingram. I'm sure he was devastated.

I don't participate in the GDTs, just a whole lot of BS in those, but I do peruse a day later and most of it is disgusting what is written about 18 and 19 year old kids...

and people criticize me for being tough on Hockey Canada bureaucrats.

 

[PensBandwagonerNo272*]

I'm all for a Jost-Barzal-Speers line

Yeah definitely. Speers and Jost are a hell of a winger duo. Gotta spread the talent throughout the lineup though. Barzal is the one player on the team that you think of as a playmaker you can make others better kind of guy.

I like what Ducharme has done with this group. Just took a while for things to click.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Glad our guys are where they always should be, playing for gold. I'm most happy for Connor Ingram. I'm sure he was devastated.

I don't participate in the GDTs, just a whole lot of BS in those, but I do peruse a day later and most of it is disgusting what is written about 18 and 19 year old kids...

and people criticize me for being tough on Hockey Canada bureaucrats.

I'm just interested whether you still think Ducharme is one of the worst coaches we have ever had at this tournament.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Anyone else not very impressed by Bean? I think he's gotten better as the tournaments gone on but he seems a bit weak on the puck and indecisive. When he has space he is great but I wonder how he will fair in the NHL where space is much more limited.

As a Canes fan, I can say I haven't been impressed. Although I thought he played the best he has all tournament the 2nd half of the game against Sweden (the 1st half, I thought he was brutal). After that one play where he crept in and got a nice shot of, he seemed to gain confidence. Later in the game, he also had a nice hip check against the board, won a couple of puck battles (which he hasn't done all tournament), didn't make any glaring mistakes and skated with a little more confidence.

All that said, on the whole, he's looked pretty suspect to me. Weak on the puck I can kinda understand as he's a lightweight and needs to bulk up, but he's been indecisive and timid, even when he wasn't under pressure. You can see skill, but he's a LONG way from being an NHL player. That's ok though, because with Slavin (22), Hanifin (19), and Fleury (20), the Canes won't need to rush him and "hopefully" he can put on some weight and develop.