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Pretty easy comparison when you're comparing Hagg's best case scenario against the others' worst case. MV and TL are already pretty much 10-12 minute capable players.
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My point is that's what I see as MV and TL's best case scenarios. In other words, I think Hagg's ceiling is higher.
Vecchione ability to be very good at faceoffs mixed in with his good forechecking skills puts him far ahead of Leier and even Laughton when comparing them both as 4Cs. Laughton has more ability, but game seems too fast for him, and he doesn't have one plus skill at the NHL level yet, mostly due to his poor IQ.
I am hoping that Vecchione is molded into a Blair Betts type of specialist.
I am hoping that Vecchione is molded into a Blair Betts type of specialist.
Laughton isn't a plus skater or shooter in game up to this point. Like I said, his lack of IQ and awareness makes him chase the game. I watched him a lot in Oshawa and was a big fan, but he hasn't shown that game yet in the NHL. Like Schenn, I think he was a case of a man playing against boys in jr and don't think his game will translate well at C.
Not really. Laughton should be given a roster spot because of waivers. And Vecchione should prob start 1 or 2C in LHV because he has options.
LegionOfDoom91
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Brayden wasn't a physically mature player in his draft year. Luke was but not Brayden. I wouldn't even classify Laughton as someone who physically dominated over his peers either.
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If Laughton can't win a job in camp, who cares if we lose him on waivers. Hextall might keep him only to buy time to trade him, because with the logjam at forward, starting next season, if he isn't ready by now, he's going to be passed by a number of players.
Conversely, if MV outplays Laughton, at his age he should be in the NHL.
Striiker
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Camp isn't long enough to determine anything, as Hextall has said many times.
Practice and pick-up games can't show enough to be taken seriously.
Practice and pick-up games can't show enough to be taken seriously.
LegionOfDoom91
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They protected him in the ED. At very worst they think Laughton is someone with trade value thus he'll be on the opening night roster.
deadhead
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That's simply wrong.
It can't show enough by itself to make a definite judgment, but you can certainly note a number of key factors in the decision:
1) has the player physically matured, become stronger and can translate that on ice, everything from skating to upper body strength in the corners
2) has the player improved their skill package, skating (balance, not just speed), shooting, passing
3) has the player improved their hockey IQ
Take those observations and combine them with the player's history and you're in position to make a better decision.
The eyeball test can give you a general sense as a fan, do they look like they belong? Are they being pushed around, caught out of position, rushing everything? Or are they under control and dominating play when they're on the ice?
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So if Laughton is dog **** and Vecchione tears it up, it wont matter? Waivers or not, Laughton has to earn his spot..which I think he will so this is all a moot point.
Striiker
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The bolded was never in question and IQ can't be determined by practice and scrimmages.
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Sure it can, if you're consistently in the wrong place or just not picking up on what you should be doing, that's a sign you're not ready for prime time.
Exhibition games certainly show you these things, it's not the same intensity as real games (though young players tend to go 100%, veterans with jobs are just trying to get their ice legs back), but they're still games and gaffes will stand out.
A better way to put is that if a young player makes a bunch of plays in practice and exhibition games, that by itself isn't enough to annoit them as a NHL player, it could be inferior competition, a fluke streak, etc. You want them to show that they're fundamentally ready in all aspects of the game, not just a few flashy highlights.
Striiker
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Well yeah, if you can't even play in those games then you're too stupid for the NHL, but I'm saying that, even if you look good in the scrimmages (playing against some NHLers but mostly AHL/CHL/Europe), you can still be below NHL level.
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Well, that's where media and fans get confused, scoring a few goals in exhibition games doesn't make you a NHL player, but coaches and Hextall are going to review the film, see how well you skate, your positioning, your anticipation, whether the speed of the game is too much, etc. They're not going to be fooled by shooting the puck past a backup NHL or AHL goalie or beating a scrub down the ice on a breakaway.
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Well, you're not as confused as he is.
Striiker
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If these videos were against full NHL teams then that's one thing, but being against mixed teams makes it useless. If all it took was looking at video, regardless of the opponents skill, then they could do that all summer... which means the preseason games are still useless.
And I never said anything about goals, so I have no idea what you're even talking about there.
And I never said anything about goals, so I have no idea what you're even talking about there.
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It is not useless, in any sport, you have to take pre-season games in context, but young players and marginal vets fighting for jobs are going full speed, and vets with guaranteed jobs just get enough PT to get into game shape (and many don't like to be embarrassed).
A young player who is NHL ready should stand out in those circumstances. But Hextall may be looking for certain things, for example, with Konecny last year, the question was whether he could physically hold his own.
A young player who is NHL ready should stand out in those circumstances. But Hextall may be looking for certain things, for example, with Konecny last year, the question was whether he could physically hold his own.
Striiker
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I didn't say they aren't trying or going at full speed, I'm saying a majority of the people they're playing against are sub-NHL players. Even if they're trying their best, they're still just not at the same level as the NHL players these prospects will have to play against if they do end up in the NHL.
So being better than them doesn't really mean anything or prove anything. There's a big gap between being able to skate circles around AHL/CHL players vs being able to play in the NHL.
So being better than them doesn't really mean anything or prove anything. There's a big gap between being able to skate circles around AHL/CHL players vs being able to play in the NHL.
I think a player can play his way off a team but can't play their on to a team in pre season.
Laughton past history should give him a penciled spot on opening day roster
The top 10 is set into stone
Konecny-Giroux-Simmonds
Flippula-Couts-Lindblom
Weal-Patrick-Voracek
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1x-Lehtera or Laughton
2x-Weise, Laughton, Read, Leier
Laughton past history should give him a penciled spot on opening day roster
The top 10 is set into stone
Konecny-Giroux-Simmonds
Flippula-Couts-Lindblom
Weal-Patrick-Voracek
Raffl-1x-2x
1x-Lehtera or Laughton
2x-Weise, Laughton, Read, Leier
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