2016 NHL Draft - Part 3 - June 24th

[rt]

Some people dream about caves or boats or work. Haha.

 

[PhoPhan]

Wouldn't we likely still be looking at one of Jost or Keller at 10?

Would Colorado do 10+40 for 7+53?

I suspect at least one of them would still be there at 10, but I've got them both in my top five, so it's possible Montreal and Buffalo do, too. I'd want something like 10 and 40 for 7 and a later pick, or I'd just sit tight.

 

[tucknroll]

Chychrun is going to be a stud, watched him play all season very well, great mind on defence (no D is better at covering their man this year than him), he is constantly moving and he's incredibly fast, he wont QB your team but he's got a shot from the point thats hard and will make it through a crowd 8/10, he's just like Ekblad in so many ways, and one of the best leaders on the ice I saw all year.

But Keller is starting to look like my clear cut choice personally, he's just too good and will make an awesome winger, i'm also hearing that Windsor believes he's going to end up there next year to play with his buddy Brown instead of BU which should raises his value even more. Any team that drafts him will probably try and convince him to play with Windsor too


Keller or Chychrun at #7 for me, if they are both available and Dubois hasn't dropped to 7 then the only problem should be picking just one

 

[Mosby]

https://www.nhl.com/news/arizona-co...-re-enter-nhl-draft/c-280854820?tid=277764372

Chayka was blunt as could be. Maybe there is hope for this kid

Not only did we leave Bleakley unsigned, but if we look at Colorado's first 4 picks from the 2014 draft:

23 ov - Conner Bleakley - traded, unsigned and will re-enter drafted
84 ov - Kyle Wood - traded
93 ov - Nick Magyar - unsigned and will re-enter draft
114 ov - Alexis Pepin - unsigned and will re-enter draft

May be time for some new scouts in Colorado.

 

[PhoPhan]

It's time for new a lot of things in Colorado. But it's going to be real hard for them to fire Roy and Sakic.

 

[Mosby]

Same reason I don't want Doan as GM. He can learn to be an AGM here and then move on, like Yzerman did in Detroit.

 

[hbk]

Had a dream last night that we picked him and talked him into playing for Everett rather than NoDak.

UND great school. Perfect place for development. There is nothing to do but go to school, exercise, and play hockey.

One of my favourite hockey venues. Worth going to. Amazing game experience.

 

[Heldig]

So ISS final rankings are up:

http://www.isshockey.com/iss-top-30/

One surprise for me is McAvoy at 23. I thought he would rise.

 

[YotesFan47]

Brown or Chychurn at 7 and Hajek or Jones at 20. If we move 7 for a later pick (say 13) then Fabbro.

I think I'm the only one aiming for Hajek, then again, last year I think I was the only one calling for Carlo (@30). I like those rangy, 2 way, physical defenders. Maybe I'll get lucky and he'll be there at 37 and we can grab him.

 

[rt]

So ISS final rankings are up:

http://www.isshockey.com/iss-top-30/

One surprise for me is McAvoy at 23. I thought he would rise.

I could see the first 12 picks going exactly like that.

 

[lanky]

UND great school. Perfect place for development. There is nothing to do but go to school, exercise, and play hockey.

You're not kidding about that. I went there for a buddy's bachelor party and was surprised there's no strippers in the city. A college town with no strippers. Weird.

 

[Mosby]

Brown or Chychurn at 7 and Hajek or Jones at 20. If we move 7 for a later pick (say 13) then Fabbro.

I think I'm the only one aiming for Hajek, then again, last year I think I was the only one calling for Carlo (@30). I like those rangy, 2 way, physical defenders. Maybe I'll get lucky and he'll be there at 37 and we can grab him.

I like Hajek but not at 20 or 37. He's likely gone by 57.

 

[PhoPhan]

I like Hajek but not at 20 or 37. He's likely gone by 57.

Hajek at 37 would be a great value pick. 20 is justifiable. Very steady player.

 

[Mosby]

If there was still any fear that we would empty the cupboard for Matthews, Twitter says we didn't even bother to interview him at the combine.

 

[AZviaNJ]

If there was still any fear that we would empty the cupboard for Matthews, Twitter says we didn't even bother to interview him at the combine.

Saw that too, hopefully this puts a fork in the Matthews to AZ (very false/HF Board-driven) rumors.

 

[OriginalJetsCoyotes]

My hope is that he comes here during his career at some point.

 

[Nalens Oga]

Not only did we leave Bleakley unsigned, but if we look at Colorado's first 4 picks from the 2014 draft:

23 ov - Conner Bleakley - traded, unsigned and will re-enter drafted
84 ov - Kyle Wood - traded
93 ov - Nick Magyar - unsigned and will re-enter draft
114 ov - Alexis Pepin - unsigned and will re-enter draft

May be time for some new scouts in Colorado.

Rick Pracey who I believe was in charge was fired with a new regime brought in 2015. I dunno if the other scouts changed but the head guy is gone at least, he's an amateur scout for the Flyers now. Screwed up the rebuild tbh, Duchene/Barrie/O'Reilly were the only productive players drafted between 2008-2012 outside the obvious Landeskog and possibly Pickard

 

[ck26]

UND great school. Perfect place for development. There is nothing to do but go to school, exercise, and play hockey.

Cue Jonathan Toews, the most boring, serious dude in the NHL

One of my favourite hockey venues. Worth going to. Amazing game experience.

Top of my North American list; gotta find a Coyotes v Wild/Jets trip one of these years that makes sense schedule-wise.

So ISS final rankings are up:

http://www.isshockey.com/iss-top-30/

One surprise for me is McAvoy at 23. I thought he would rise.

Brown + Fabbro/McAvoy or Chychrun + Howden/Thompson are both fine by me. Big centers, skilled defense, pro hockey bloodlines ... we're checking all the boxes here.

 

[rt]

To COL
7th+53rd

To ARI
10th+40th
--
To CAR
20th+40th

To ARI
13th+104th
--
PHI gets the 104th and we keep our 2017 3rd
--
@10th: Tyson Jost
@13th: Dante Fabbro
@37th: Cam Dineen
@67th: Tyler Parsons
--
We get yet another top C prospect; pipeline keeps flowing
We get a #1 RD prospect to slot ahead of Kyle Wood
We get a new #1 LD prospect to slot ahead of Capobianco
We get a new G prospect to add to the steady stream coming

 

[Puck possession wins]

To COL
@67th: Tyler Parsons

We get a new G prospect to add to the steady stream coming

Be leary of drafting a goalie early on

 

[rt]

45-90 is the best range to draft goalies. They actually have a better success rate in that range than other positions. See earlier in this thread for reference.

 

[rt]

My list:
1. Matthews
2. Laine
3. Puljujarvi
4. Tkachuk
5. Dubois
6-11. Brown/Jost/Keller/Chychrun/Juolevi/Sergachev<Can't rank them.
12. Nylander

So I guess I'd rather trade out, trade up, or trade down. Probably at least to 10, 11, or 12.

My initial thought, that changes with the wind and is based on nothing is:

6. Brown
7. Jost
8. Chychrun
9. Juolevi
10. Sergachev
11. Keller

 

[BUX7PHX]

My list:
1. Matthews
2. Laine
3. Puljujarvi
4. Tkachuk
5. Dubois
6-11. Brown/Jost/Keller/Chychrun/Juolevi/Sergachev<Can't rank them.
12. Nylander

So I guess I'd rather trade out, trade up, or trade down. Probably at least to 10, 11, or 12.

I'd be more inclined to just put Nylander in the 6-12 group and at that point, we are getting a player who is high on the list, regardless. Trading back just seems like the prudent thing to do - in a way, we really can't lose by trading back.

I think my big fear/concern is that our management will have a player who is consensus #13-19 on most other draft boards be ranked somewhere in the #7-10 range and we wind up taking that player at #7, even though it is very likely that same player would be available at #10, 11, or 12 - possibly later than that.

That has been my story all along - is #7 the right value for the player or players that we are interested in, or can we move back and get basically the same player that we were eyeing at #7 about 3-8 picks later? For all we know, Jost may be the #7 player on our board and he still may be there at #11 if we move back. Nothing wrong with moving back when all of the options are so closely packed together and also fulfill needs for the team in general.

 

[rt]

It is popular these days to do a value chart for draft selections. Recently on TSN, Travis Yost did one based on adjusted games played which is a good starting point. However, it misses the fact that games played only measure the quantity not the quality of games played. For those following along to my blog, you will know that most of my research has been in trying to group forwards and defenseman based on quality of play using career avg PPG for forwards and career ATOI for defensemen. Combining my work with the fantastic work done by Michael Schuckers I was able to come up with a value chart for first year eligible forwards and defenseman. These are the results:

I also look into some trade scenarios for the 2016 draft using my draft pick value chart. For example, if the Leafs traded down to 2nd overall Yost suggests all the Jets need to add is the 96th overall pick. My chart suggests otherwise.

To read more, CLICK HERE

For our trade back speculation fun.

 

[Matias Maccete]

I think trading back could be a great idea value wise. With our scouts recent success though if they think highly of someone we're not sure will still be on the board when we trade down I'd rather us take him.