2016 NHL Draft - Part 3 - June 24th

[Grvmnd]

This draft is so interesting.

Laine might not go 2nd, CBJ might not want Pul.

Does WPG take Tkachuk 2nd and CBJ Dubois? Do we have the opportunity to trade up to 4 or 5? That's probably the only situation I feel good about trading up.

Like Chayka I feel the bottom end of the draft is very strong as well, so I'd also love to stockpile more 2nds, we could get some great players out of that, even in the 4th round I could see top 6 talent there.

I feel like this happens every year. The top 3 will go how everyone expects.

 

[PhoPhan]

I'm going to be on the road all day tomorrow, probably right up until the draft, so I figured I'd post my top 100 now. Thoughts and feedback welcome. As always, this is almost purely a talent evaluation/projection and can't (and thus doesn't) take into account peripheral stuff I'm not privy to. As I've discussed in the past, my rankings are a combination of personal viewings (never in person, but full games as well as highlight packages and iso vids), publicly available scouting reports and rankings, and conversations with scouts et al. Where my rankings deviate from the consensus tends to be more a result of what traits I value and don't value (i.e. personal drafting philosophy) as opposed to a particularly keen eye.

Overall, it's a solid top end, a bit mediocre through the top 15 or so (relative to other drafts), but then fairly deep through the second round. I don't expect to see a lot of superstars emerge from this crop, but there should be an awful lot of effective players. It's a good draft to have four picks in the first two rounds (and an extremely good draft to pick up a few more, if possible).

1) Auston Matthews
2) Patrik Laine
3) Clayton Keller
4) Tyson Jost
5) Jesse Puljujarvi
6) Pierre-Luc Dubois
7) Max Jones
8) Charlie McAvoy
9) Matthew Tkachuk
10) Dante Fabbro
11) Logan Brown
12) Mikhail Sergachev
13) Jakob Chychrun
14) Kieffer Bellows
15) Luke Kunin
16) Olli Juolevi
17) Julien Gauthier
18) Pascal Laberge
19) German Rubtsov
20) Riley Tufte
21) Alex Nylander
22) Givani Smith
23) Jonathan Dahlen
24) Tyler Benson
25) Wade Allison
26) Adam Maschering
27) Vitali Abramov
28) Henrik Borgstrom
29) Tage Thompson
30) Libor Hajek
31) Boris Katchouk
32) Nathan Bastian
33) Rasmus Asplund
34) Kale Clague
35) Dennis Cholowski
36) Cam Dineen
37) Michael McLeod
38) Jake Bean
39) Chad Krys
40) Ryan Johansen
41) Will Bitten
42) Cliff Pu
43) Filip Hronek
44) Sean Day
45) Sam Steel
46) Simon Stransky
47) Carl Grundstrom
48) Frederic Allard
49) Markus Niemelainen
50) Alex DeBrincat
51) Jordan Kyrou
52) Otto Makinen
53) Cam Morrison
54) Dmitri Sokolov
55) Samuel Girard
56) Dillon Dube
57) Brett Howden
58) Taylor Raddysh
59) Victor Mete
60) Mitch Mattson
61) Jacob Cederholm
62) Tim Gettinger
63) Vojtek Budik
64) Luke Green
65) Janne Kuokkanen
66) Ryan Lindgren
67) Adam Fox
68) William Knierim
69) Noah Gregor
70) Eetu Tuulola
71) Josh Mahura
72) JD Greenway
73) Cole Candella
74) Ty Ronning
75) Logan Stanley
76) Brayden Burke
77) Trent Frederic
78) Josh Anderson
79) Jack Kopacka
80) Maxime Fortier
81) Otto Somppi
82) Jesper Bratt
83) Joey Anderson
84) Jacob Moverare
85) Matt Filipe
86) Vladimir Kuznetsov
87) Max Lajoie
88) Andrew Peeke
89) Linus Weissbach
90) Egor Korshkov
91) Michael O'Leary
92) Oscar Steen
93) Mikhail Maltsev
94) Tobias Eder
95) Dmitri Alexeev
96) Patrick Bajkov
97) Carson Twarynski
98) Rem Pitlick
99) Jake Ryczek
100) Ivan Kosorenkov

 

[Jakey53]

I'm going to be on the road all day tomorrow, probably right up until the draft, so I figured I'd post my top 100 now. Thoughts and feedback welcome. As always, this is almost purely a talent evaluation/projection and can't (and thus doesn't) take into account peripheral stuff I'm not privy to. As I've discussed in the past, my rankings are a combination of personal viewings (never in person, but full games as well as highlight packages and iso vids), publicly available scouting reports and rankings, and conversations with scouts et al. Where my rankings deviate from the consensus tends to be more a result of what traits I value and don't value (i.e. personal drafting philosophy) as opposed to a particularly keen eye.

Overall, it's a solid top end, a bit mediocre through the top 15 or so (relative to other drafts), but then fairly deep through the second round. I don't expect to see a lot of superstars emerge from this crop, but there should be an awful lot of effective players. It's a good draft to have four picks in the first two rounds (and an extremely good draft to pick up a few more, if possible).

1) Auston Matthews
2) Patrik Laine
3) Clayton Keller
4) Tyson Jost
5) Jesse Puljujarvi
6) Pierre-Luc Dubois
7) Max Jones
8) Charlie McAvoy
9) Matthew Tkachuk
10) Dante Fabbro
11) Logan Brown
12) Mikhail Sergachev
13) Jakob Chychrun
14) Kieffer Bellows
15) Luke Kunin
16) Olli Juolevi
17) Julien Gauthier
18) Pascal Laberge
19) German Rubtsov
20) Riley Tufte
21) Alex Nylander
22) Givani Smith
23) Jonathan Dahlen
24) Tyler Benson
25) Wade Allison
26) Adam Maschering
27) Vitali Abramov
28) Henrik Borgstrom
29) Tage Thompson
30) Libor Hajek
31) Boris Katchouk
32) Nathan Bastian
33) Rasmus Asplund
34) Kale Clague
35) Dennis Cholowski
36) Cam Dineen
37) Michael McLeod
38) Jake Bean
39) Chad Krys
40) Ryan Johansen
41) Will Bitten
42) Cliff Pu
43) Filip Hronek
44) Sean Day
45) Sam Steel
46) Simon Stransky
47) Carl Grundstrom
48) Frederic Allard
49) Markus Niemelainen
50) Alex DeBrincat
51) Jordan Kyrou
52) Otto Makinen
53) Cam Morrison
54) Dmitri Sokolov
55) Samuel Girard
56) Dillon Dube
57) Brett Howden
58) Taylor Raddysh
59) Victor Mete
60) Mitch Mattson
61) Jacob Cederholm
62) Tim Gettinger
63) Vojtek Budik
64) Luke Green
65) Janne Kuokkanen
66) Ryan Lindgren
67) Adam Fox
68) William Knierim
69) Noah Gregor
70) Eetu Tuulola
71) Josh Mahura
72) JD Greenway
73) Cole Candella
74) Ty Ronning
75) Logan Stanley
76) Brayden Burke
77) Trent Frederic
78) Josh Anderson
79) Jack Kopacka
80) Maxime Fortier
81) Otto Somppi
82) Jesper Bratt
83) Joey Anderson
84) Jacob Moverare
85) Matt Filipe
86) Vladimir Kuznetsov
87) Max Lajoie
88) Andrew Peeke
89) Linus Weissbach
90) Egor Korshkov
91) Michael O'Leary
92) Oscar Steen
93) Mikhail Maltsev
94) Tobias Eder
95) Dmitri Alexeev
96) Patrick Bajkov
97) Carson Twarynski
98) Rem Pitlick
99) Jake Ryczek
100) Ivan Kosorenkov

Wow, are you Button's nephew? This will stir the pot. Your opinion is as valid as the next. Tomorrow we shall see.

 

[MIGs Dog]

my rankings are a combination of personal viewings (never in person, but full games as well as highlight packages and iso vids), publicly available scouting reports and rankings, and conversations with scouts et al.

I didn't spend this much time picking out a wife.

 

[rt]

I had no idea that Lance Pitlick had a boy and named him after Rem Murray. That's so awesome.

 

[PhoPhan]

I didn't spend this much time picking out a wife.

Maybe this is why I'm unmarried.

 

[Jakey53]

I didn't spend this much time picking out a wife.

You made my day. Thanks for the good laugh.

 

[BUX7PHX]

Moving up 32 spots for moving down 6 spots would be impressive in my view. Especially if we can get 46 for eating Datsyuk. And then move 37 and 46 for another late first. 13+20+21+25(ish) would be very impressive I think. Especially if you want D more than F.

The view of moving up x spots while only moving down a few is impressive, but now you're just merging ideas on the trades to get to 4 first rounders. And again, we don't know that the draft board looks like, so #13 may not be an "impressive" pick, in a way.

I think it would have to involve a player somehow, especially considering that teams are trying to move around pieces to circumvent cap space and expansion draft issues. The good news is that if this offer is impressive and it was turned down, I would expect that if we traded the pick, we would get even more value day of.

 

[Jakey53]

The view of moving up x spots while only moving down a few is impressive, but now you're just merging ideas on the trades to get to 4 first rounders. And again, we don't know that the draft board looks like, so #13 may not be an "impressive" pick, in a way.

I think it would have to involve a player somehow, especially considering that teams are trying to move around pieces to circumvent cap space and expansion draft issues. The good news is that if this offer is impressive and it was turned down, I would expect that if we traded the pick, we would get even more value day of.

IF we move down, I think it will include a pick and a player.

 

[BUX7PHX]

IF we move down, I think it will include a pick and a player.

Agreed. Trying to think of what deals make sense.

Still think that we are looking at a player who can fill in on bottom 6 RW. Chiasson and Smith-Pelly are players that come to mind.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

The signing of GoGo certainly takes some of the pressure off of signing a D at #7 despite not being BPA. Now there is more freedom to gain assets and draft lower in the order and pick up a D at the proper place in the draft, or just draft Mr. Metrics at 7.

 

[cobra427]

I didn't spend this much time picking out a wife.

They are both dice rolls

 

[cobra427]

The view of moving up x spots while only moving down a few is impressive, but now you're just merging ideas on the trades to get to 4 first rounders. And again, we don't know that the draft board looks like, so #13 may not be an "impressive" pick, in a way.

I think it would have to involve a player somehow, especially considering that teams are trying to move around pieces to circumvent cap space and expansion draft issues. The good news is that if this offer is impressive and it was turned down, I would expect that if we traded the pick, we would get even more value day of.

I agree and our most valuable asset is cap space. I could see us trading the pick/ moving up or down, for a player we want that provides cap relief. if it is a player we really want, we could take a cap dump back too.

 

[Mosby]

Sports Illustrated's mock with NHL comparables for each:

1. Tor, Matthews, Kopitar
2. Wpg, Laine, Ovechkin
3. Cbj, Puljujarvi, Wheeler
4. Edm, M. Tkachuk, K. Tkachuk
5. Van, Dubois, Benn
6. Cgy, Brown, Johansen
7. Ari, Sergachev, OEL
8. Buf, Juolevi, Josi
9. Mtl, Nylander, Panarin
10. Col, Chychrun, Ekblad
11. NJ, Keller, Sakic
12. Ott, Jost, Turris
13. Car, McLeod, Helm
14. Bos, Bellows, Perry
15. Min, Gauthier, Rick Nash
16. Det, McAvoy, McDonagh
17. Nsh, Bean, Faulk
18. Phi, Jones, Hartnell
19. NYI, Fabbro, Ellis
20. Ari, Rubtsov, Steen
21. Car, Kunin, O'Reilly
22. Wpg, Stanley, Myers
23. Fla, Thompson, Hanzal
24. Ana, Howden, Zajac
25. Dal, DeBrincat, Toffoli
26. Wsh, Hajek, Seidenberg
27. TB, Cholowski, Goligoski
28. STL, Johansen, Hamhuis
29. Bos, Allison, Ladd
30. Ana, Katchouk, Jenner

 

[IPreferPi]

On Draft Eve, I'll go ahead and add my brief two cents: I'm not a fan of taking any of the "Big 3" defensemen at #7, and although Brown's skillset is tantalizing, unless PLD or Tkachuk drop to #7, I would much rather trade down and see if we can obtain more Top 25 picks in the process.

Ideally, I'd be trying to swap #7 with Carolina's #13 and #21. Then (barring some surprise fall) draft 3/4 of McAvoy, Fabbro, Kunin, and Max Jones .

 

[rt]

On Draft Eve, I'll go ahead and add my brief two cents: I'm not a fan of taking any of the "Big 3" defensemen at #7, and although Brown's skillset is tantalizing, unless PLD or Tkachuk drop to #7, I would much rather trade down and see if we can obtain more Top 25 picks in the process.

Ideally, I'd be trying to swap #7 with Carolina's #13 and #21. Then (barring some surprise fall) draft 3/4 of McAvoy, Fabbro, Kunin, and Max Jones .

Same.

 

[ParisSaintGermain]

On Draft Eve, I'll go ahead and add my brief two cents: I'm not a fan of taking any of the "Big 3" defensemen at #7, and although Brown's skillset is tantalizing, unless PLD or Tkachuk drop to #7, I would much rather trade down and see if we can obtain more Top 25 picks in the process.

Ideally, I'd be trying to swap #7 with Carolina's #13 and #21. Then (barring some surprise fall) draft 3/4 of McAvoy, Fabbro, Kunin, and Max Jones .

I agree. Also happy for the pick to be traded for a young D, even a young forward who makes sense now that Gogo has signed.

 

[rt]

I agree. Also happy for the pick to be traded for a young D, even a young forward who makes sense now that Gogo has signed.

Yes. Picking at 7th is really low on my preferences list.

1. Trade out
2. Trade down
3. Trade up
4. Pick at 7

 

[Mosby]

1. Trade out
2. Trade down
3. Trade up
4. Pick at 7

I'm the same. If we stay at 7, give me Sergachev.

I'm assuming 1-6 goes Matthews, Laine, Puljujarvi, Tkachuk, Dubois, Brown/Nylander.

 

[IPreferPi]

I'm really meh on any of Juolevi, Sergachev, or Chychrun as Top 10 D picks. Juolevi looks like he has the highest floor with his overall poise and hockey sense but I'm not impressed by his mobility and I don't know if he ultimately has top pairing upside. Sergachev and Chychurn probably have higher upside but their warts really make them boom-or-bust picks. I've been more impressed with what I've observed out of Fabbro and McAvoy.

1. Trade Down
2. Trade Out
3. Trade Up
4. Pick at 7 (PLD/Tkachuk/Brown)

 

[WrinkledPossum]

I'm the same. If we stay at 7, give me Sergachev.

Yeah that's who I'm leaning towards wanting at #7, if PLD and Tkachuk don't fall.

Best case scenario for the pick IMO is to trade for Trouba, next would be to move up to 3-5.

I also would like a scenario where the team trades down to 10-12 ish and uses the asset gained to move up from 20 to around 15. Someone good is likely gonna fall to around there. Maybe one of the top 3 dmen, maybe Nylander, Brown, Jost, Keller...Getting two of those would be a big win.

 

[hbk]

How far do we drop without being afraid of missing out on Jones? 13-15?

 

[Mr Pukhead]

I didn't spend this much time picking out a wife.

 

[PhoPhan]

How far do we drop without being afraid of missing out on Jones? 13-15?

I'd be nervous about even dropping that far. He's exactly the sort of player who goes higher than expected on draft day. 13 would probably be my limit if he's who I'm targeting.

 

[Sinurgy]

Anyone buy draft guides (Black book, Redline, McKeen's, etc.) this year? If so which ones and what's your opinion on them?