2015 NHL redraft

[CodeE]

They should because he isn't going backwards. He showed what the future holds. Let's see Barzal play that good in the playoffs.

If you plan on defending Auston Matthews anytime in this offseason, I'd hesitate on the "let's see Barzal play that good in the playoffs" negativity. Lest anyone in the thread point out #34's choke job, offensively as well as defensively, against the Bruins. That actually happened, as opposed to theoretically predicted.

 

[Romang67]

First of all, you are looking at 36 goals and saying he has amazing finishing ability. JVR is painfully slow and one-dimsensional. His "Finishing" ability is sitting infront of the net on the PP and banging in rebounds. Marner spent time on the 4th line.
You like the TOI argument in Laine vs Matthews threads I've noticed. Not here.

Good thing Marner didn't get almost 40% of his points on the PP, or one might point out that having a finisher on the PP may have helped Marner's point totals this season.

Also worth pointing out that JVR had 25 even strength goals this season. Good for 2nd on the Leafs behind Matthews.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Barzal has ALWAYS been better than Marner. Even from the hockey minor days. I grew up playing with and against Barzal and even as kids we knew the 2 best forwards in the country were McDavid and Barzal. They were always compared at tournaments like The Brick tournament and Quebec peewee tournament. The only reason Barzal fell at the draft, he basically had to carry his junior team and had that freakish injury during his draft year

That’s a ridiculous argument to make especially when you look at what Marner did in the OHL, the numbers aren’t even close. Peewee lol please...

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Good thing Marner didn't get almost 40% of his points on the PP, or one might point out that having a finisher on the PP may have helped Marner's point totals this season.

Also worth pointing out that JVR had 25 even strength goals this season. Good for 2nd on the Leafs behind Matthews.

How much for Laine on the PP?

 

[Romang67]

How much for Laine on the PP?

Gosh, if only I could think of some reason why Marner was being discussed in a 2015 draft thread and Laine wasn't.

 

[Mick Riddleton]

Just impressed with DeBrusk's over all game. He will not come close to the other guys in points but is pretty good. In this video at 11:20 to 11:51 shows you why he is a warrior on the ice. Gets hit hard, maybe a head shot. Goes down, maybe a concussion. Play goes on, no call to stop it. Gets up, gets his stick, blocks a shot, gets hurt again. Gets up races to the boards makes a stick lift, steals the puck and tries to get it out high, fails. So he goes at the dee and dives to get it past the blue line and crawls to the bench. Epic shift, not sure the other guys can do that. They show it closer at 12:05 to 12:25. Here you see he takes the shot on an unprotected part above the knee.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Gosh, if only I could think of some reason why Marner was being discussed in a 2015 draft thread and Laine wasn't.

Well you are obviosuly using PP points as a detriment of Marner’s game yet I bet you think otherwise about your boy

 

[LemonSauceD]

Barzal had 85 points including 3 5 point games.. in his rookie season. Marner is nowhere even close to his level. How are leafs fans even debating this?

 

[Romang67]

Well you are obviosuly using PP points as a detriment of Marner’s game yet I bet you think otherwise about your boy

I don't know if I'm less impressed by your attempt to veer the thread off-topic, or by your reading of my post.

Having a player who is good at scoring goals on the PP is a good thing for a player who puts up a lot of points on the PP. This is hardly groundbreaking stuff.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Barzal had 85 points including 3 5 point games.. in his rookie season. Marner is nowhere even close to his level. How are leafs fans even debating this?

Last I checked one season doesn’t make a player. Plenty of rookies have been great one year and regressed afterwards. Was your opinion that Barzal was better than Marner when the year started? I’m guessing not.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

I don't know if I'm less impressed by your attempt to veer the thread off-topic, or by your reading of my post.

Having a player who is good at scoring goals on the PP is a good thing for a player who puts up a lot of points on the PP. This is hardly groundbreaking stuff.

Were you not attempting to state that Marner’s production is somewhat tarnished because 40 percent came on the PP.

 

[Romang67]

Were you not attempting to state that Marner’s production is somewhat tarnished because 40 percent came on the PP.

No, I didn't. I'm not sure why you want me to rag on how Marner produces points, but you're attempting to read into things that simply aren't in my posts.

I responded to a post that insinuated that JVR was good for nothing but banging in rebounds on the PP by pointing out that Marner thrived on the PP. If it were true that JVR got most of his goals that way (it's not), Marner would still benefit from having a player that scores goals on the PP.

Again, pointing out very obvious things here.

 

[CodeE]

Last I checked one season doesn’t make a player. Plenty of rookies have been great one year and regressed afterwards. Was your opinion that Barzal was better than Marner when the year started? I’m guessing not.

I wonder where this train of thought was during all the "McDavid vs Matthews" threads last year/this past offseason when Matthews only one had NHL season to go off of.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/mcdavid-or-matthews.2397933/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/mcdavid-v-matthews.2396379/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...n-another-level-compared-to-matthews.2195839/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/matthews-close-to-mcdavid.2214301/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/matthews-vs-mcdavid.2350759/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...le-for-matthews-to-be-mcdavids-equal.2360077/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...pass-auston-matthews-as-a-goalscorer.2218343/


Matthews has a Calder-winning season: OMG AUSTON HAS ARRIVED! Best player in the NHL? I think there's certainly a case to be made!

Barzal has a Calder-winning season: Last I checked one season doesn’t make a player. Plenty of rookies have been great one year and regressed afterwards.

 

[Riseonfire]

I was about to do this! you beat me, well done sir.

 

[PWJunior]

I wonder where this train of thought was during all the "McDavid vs Matthews" threads last year/this past offseason when Matthews only one had NHL season to go off of.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/mcdavid-or-matthews.2397933/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/mcdavid-v-matthews.2396379/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...n-another-level-compared-to-matthews.2195839/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/matthews-close-to-mcdavid.2214301/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/matthews-vs-mcdavid.2350759/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...le-for-matthews-to-be-mcdavids-equal.2360077/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...pass-auston-matthews-as-a-goalscorer.2218343/


Matthews has a Calder-winning season: OMG AUSTON HAS ARRIVED! Best player in the NHL? I think there's certainly a case to be made!

Barzal has a Calder-winning season: Last I checked one season doesn’t make a player. Plenty of rookies have been great one year and regressed afterwards.

Apparently a Leaf fan got a hold of the Time Gem and Reality Gem so whatever they say goes. That would explain the double standard applicable only to their players.

 

[MardyBum]

How is pointing out how his production soared after going on another line a what if? He accomplished it the second he went on a better line which is exactly what Leaf fans stated he would.
I am very confused. What is an excuse or a"could of" here?

What date are you using for Marner's 100 point pace? Serious question as I haven't bothered looking at it.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

If you plan on defending Auston Matthews anytime in this offseason, I'd hesitate on the "let's see Barzal play that good in the playoffs" negativity. Lest anyone in the thread point out #34's choke job, offensively as well as defensively, against the Bruins. That actually happened, as opposed to theoretically predicted.

Funny how people dismissed Matthews performance in last years playoffs but when it comes to this year, its all they can talk about. Forget what he did last season, forget what he did vs Washington and forget about what he did this season because only the 7 games vs Boston mean anything now.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

I wonder where this train of thought was during all the "McDavid vs Matthews" threads last year/this past offseason when Matthews only one had NHL season to go off of.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/mcdavid-or-matthews.2397933/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/mcdavid-v-matthews.2396379/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...n-another-level-compared-to-matthews.2195839/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/matthews-close-to-mcdavid.2214301/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/matthews-vs-mcdavid.2350759/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...le-for-matthews-to-be-mcdavids-equal.2360077/

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...pass-auston-matthews-as-a-goalscorer.2218343/


Matthews has a Calder-winning season: OMG AUSTON HAS ARRIVED! Best player in the NHL? I think there's certainly a case to be made!

Barzal has a Calder-winning season: Last I checked one season doesn’t make a player. Plenty of rookies have been great one year and regressed afterwards.

The expectations on Matthews were that of a franchise player a clear cut #1 centre, tell me that’s what Barzal’s expectations were when we he got drafted. Good on the kid that he proved some doubters wrong but it still doesn’t equate that the level he played at this season will be the norm. Plenty of anomalies happened in the NHL this season, his two teammates were one example and then you look at how 10 and 20 point players previously turned into 40 and near 80 point players for Vegas this year.

 

[CodeE]

Apparently a Leaf fan got a hold of the Time Gem and Reality Gem so whatever they say goes. That would explain the double standard applicable only to their players.

Good thing the winter soldier is on our side.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

What date are you using for Marner's 100 point pace? Serious question as I haven't bothered looking at it.

The second half of the year he was pacing at a bit better than a PPG. Around the 85-90 point mark. Still not 100.

 

[Strait2thecup]

Last I checked one season doesn’t make a player. Plenty of rookies have been great one year and regressed afterwards. Was your opinion that Barzal was better than Marner when the year started? I’m guessing not.

ummm... no not quite. In the 21st century the only players with rookie seasons of that caliber are crosby malkin and ovechkin. so there has been a grand total of 3 other rookies that have been THAT great in the past 18 seasons and believe it or not none of them regressed.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Gosh, if only I could think of some reason why Marner was being discussed in a 2015 draft thread and Laine wasn't.

Matthews was drafted in 2016 too and I'm still seeing Islanders fans bringing him up

 

[A91]

I dunno I think the Oilers might take Marner over McDavid in a redraft.

Like take McDavid's 108 points and Marner's 69 points.

But then factor in icetime and playing in a "run and gun" system, and the numbers speak for themselves: McDavid is a 40 point player and Marner is a 350 point player.

I can't honestly believe you non-Leaf fans once compared him to Yakupov. The numbers have officially proven he is 8.75x the player McDavid is. It just... it just hurts me deeply to the core to know Marner is the best player of the 2015 draft and these ******* haters aren't using my adjusted numbers and instead whining "oh but McDavid won the Art Ross", "but Barzal's gonna win the Calder". Marner's game ascends individual trophies.

G.O.A.T

 

[The List Of Jericho]

ummm... no not quite. In the 21st century the only players with rookie seasons of that caliber are crosby malkin and ovechkin. so there has been a grand total of 3 other rookies that have been THAT great in the past 18 seasons and believe it or not none of them regressed.

I think rookies that post 55 points and above should be considered having great rookie seasons. Anyways, that’s beside the point. Like I’ve said, if he does it again next year then so be it. Do I personally think he will? I do not.

 

[PWJunior]

The second half of the year he was pacing at a bit better than a PPG. Around the 85-90 point mark. Still not 100.

So Marner is being praised for about the same pace for half a season that Barzal put up in an entire season?