2015 NHL Draft Thread (Lottery: 4/18, Draft: 6/26-6/27)

[EspenK]

I think the Hartnell trade balances out 4 bad ones And Morin for Erixon was a very good trade, in my books.

Back to the draft!

Meier seems like a prime Jarmo draft target. He is one of the best shooters in the draft and one of the strongest forwards. His main weakness seems to be his skating, he lacks quickness and top end speed. But he is a strong skater - he can really overpower defensemen and get leverage on them. He is very smart, doesnt need that speed to create offense (something that we are seeing this year with Hartnell, speed isnt everything). Knows where to go to get the soft spaces. Goes to the front of the net early and often. Sticks up for teammates. He is a mature interview and his physically developed. He has scored 51 goals this season between the Q and WJC.

I would not hesitate to take him at 6. There are a few good options there and we have a more glaring need for a defenseman right now. But I don't see Hanifin slipping, and who knows what our defense will look like in 2-3 years when Provorov is ready to make an impact.

Jarmo has said as much with his drafting philosophy: BPA, and don't draft based on current NHL roster. It does seem like he will draft based on organizational (prospect) need though. I forget the exact categories he uses. Something like Offensive Forward, Defensive Forward, Offensive Defenseman, Defensive Defenseman, and Special. And he could have one for each category all valued roughly the same. It does seem like he makes the distinction within categories or positions (I'm sure they will clearly decide if they like Werenski or Provorov more by draft day - but they could be back and forth between Provorov and Barzal)

In 2013 we took Heatherington in the 2nd even though we had Carrier ranked a spot or two above him on the master ranking. This being because we just had drafted Wennberg Rychel and Dano - Carrier and Heatherington were on the same plane (roughly similarly valued players), Carrier was like 32 and Heatherington 34 on our master list, but we had a organizational hole at DFD.

We arent going to just draft Provorov because we traded Wisniewski. We could draft him because we are likely to lose Reilly though. Only if it is a coinflip between the two players though, that we draft on position.

Kind of like Jenner on the skating issue? That's why he dropped wasn't it?

I'm sure Carolina or the devils will take a close look at him at 6. That ship sailed for us a few W's ago.

 

[Jackets16]

Good
- Umberger and a 4th for Hartnell

Bad
- Mason for Leighton and a 3rd
- Brassard, Dorsett, Moore for Gaborik...followed by Gaborik for two picks and Frattin...followed by Frattin for D'Amigo...followed by D'Amigo for Luke Adam
- Horton for Clarkson
- Wisniewski, 3rd-rounder for Karlsson, 2nd-rounder, and a guy who'd been on waivers that very day

Unknown
- 5th-rounder for Nick Schultz, then getting that pick back for Nikitin

Those are the only trades involving NHL players.

This is a draft thread, so I am not going to say anything more than I do not agree with your opinion on the trades.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Good
- Umberger and a 4th for Hartnell

Bad
- Mason for Leighton and a 3rd
- Brassard, Dorsett, Moore for Gaborik...followed by Gaborik for two picks and Frattin...followed by Frattin for D'Amigo...followed by D'Amigo for Luke Adam
- Horton for Clarkson
- Wisniewski, 3rd-rounder for Karlsson, 2nd-rounder, and a guy who'd been on waivers that very day

Unknown
- 5th-rounder for Nick Schultz, then getting that pick back for Nikitin

Those are the only trades involving NHL players.

A 5th for Leopold, flipped for a 5th and Falk.

 

[blahblah]

Good
- Umberger and a 4th for Hartnell

Bad
- Mason for Leighton and a 3rd
- Brassard, Dorsett, Moore for Gaborik...followed by Gaborik for two picks and Frattin...followed by Frattin for D'Amigo...followed by D'Amigo for Luke Adam
- Horton for Clarkson
- Wisniewski, 3rd-rounder for Karlsson, 2nd-rounder, and a guy who'd been on waivers that very day

Unknown
- 5th-rounder for Nick Schultz, then getting that pick back for Nikitin

Those are the only trades involving NHL players.

Really wouldn't classify any of your bad's as bad.

 

[CoachWithNoTeam]

I'm all for us winning as many games as possible for the rest of the season. The top 5 has somewhat come to a consensus. After that There about 12-15 people that could go at 6, or slip to 20.

Werenski, Provorov, Barzal, Rantanen, Meier, Merkley, Zacha, Crouse, Connor, Konecny, Harkins, Kylington, Svechnikov, Zboril, Chabot

I'm not interested in a lot of those guys, but I have a hard time being certain who would go off the board at 6 and 7 that would make us regret dropping a couple spots in the last month. I know that 6 has higher value than 8 when it comes to trades, but as far as the specific players available in those spots, I have no clue who will go where.

The only way I am upset about not having 6 is when someone gets displaced from the top 5.

And as far as the lottery odds, we are talking a 7.5% at #6 vs a 6.0% at #8... On a one-time draw.

 

[EspenK]

I'm all for us winning as many games as possible for the rest of the season. The top 5 has somewhat come to a consensus. After that There about 12-15 people that could go at 6, or slip to 20.

Werenski, Provorov, Barzal, Rantanen, Meier, Merkley, Zacha, Crouse, Connor, Konecny, Harkins, Kylington, Svechnikov, Zboril, Chabot

I'm not interested in a lot of those guys, but I have a hard time being certain who would go off the board at 6 and 7 that would make us regret dropping a couple spots in the last month. I know that 6 has higher value than 8 when it comes to trades, but as far as the specific players available in those spots, I have no clue who will go where.

The only way I am upset about not having 6 is when someone gets displaced from the top 5.

And as far as the lottery odds, we are talking a 7.5% at #6 vs a 6.0% at #8... On a one-time draw.

You make good points. If we win out though, and Dallas,Colorado & Philly and even San Jose & Florida tank out we could drop as low as 12th. I am still of the opinion that a couple of losses in the last 4 would be a good thing.

I think we should tank to Buffalo just to piss them off.

 

[Viqsi]

Good
- Umberger and a 4th for Hartnell

Bad
- Mason for Leighton and a 3rd
- Brassard, Dorsett, Moore for Gaborik...followed by Gaborik for two picks and Frattin...followed by Frattin for D'Amigo...followed by D'Amigo for Luke Adam
- Horton for Clarkson
- Wisniewski, 3rd-rounder for Karlsson, 2nd-rounder, and a guy who'd been on waivers that very day

Unknown
- 5th-rounder for Nick Schultz, then getting that pick back for Nikitin

Those are the only trades involving NHL players.

Ignoring the Erixon for Morin deal because "they're not NHL players" is like dismissing Howson picking up Derek MacKenzie.

 

[CBJSlash]

What would you be willing to add to our 1st Rounder for Couture or Pavelski?

 

[Theo Von]

What would you be willing to add to our 1st Rounder for Couture or Pavelski?

I will admit... the Sharks are my favorite team after the Jackets. I root for them heavily. Love a lot of their players. I watch a ton of Sharks games too. Pavelski and Couture are similar players. Couture prides his play more on the defensive side then offensive side.. he plays a defensively sound game and makes few mistakes. Pavelski is the more natural scorer of the two and possesses more of an offensive upside. Pavelski and Couture have eerily similar numbers... both are 0.76 ppg players. Weird, I know. Despite Pavelski having a better point total, I think Couture is having the better of a season. Couture's corsi per 60 numbers at even strength are phenomenal. He's at a 16.91 corsi/60 at even strength... that would be first on our team, solidly. This year, If I had to guess, the chances of the Sharks management unloading Pavelski/Couture is very slim... they'd unload Marleau or Jumbo Joe before the two 'youngins'.

What we would need to add to the first would all depend on what our draft position is... if it were to be 6-8, I'd be a little hesitant to add good prospects/players to the deal. If the first round pick is 9-12, I'd offer a package something along the lines of: 2015 1st round pick + Anisimov + Quenneville/LeBlanc/C-Grade prospect for Pavelski/Couture.... that might be a little steep but considering the draft is 'loaded' but you have to give to get.

With Pavelski/Couture inserted into our lineup... our top 6 could look something like:

Couture/Pavelski - Johansen - Atkinson
Foligno - Dubinsky - Dano.

Note: we'd have to probably sent a cap dump player in the trade since we'd be taking on a Pavelski/Couture contract of 6 million per year.

 

[EspenK]

What we would need to add to the first would all depend on what our draft position is... if it were to be 6-8, I'd be a little hesitant to add good prospects/players to the deal. If the first round pick is 9-12, I'd offer a package something along the lines of: 2015 1st round pick + Anisimov + Quenneville/LeBlanc/C-Grade prospect for Pavelski/Couture.... that might be a little steep but considering the draft is 'loaded' but you have to give to get.

With Pavelski/Couture inserted into our lineup... our top 6 could look something like:

Couture/Pavelski - Johansen - Atkinson
Foligno - Dubinsky - Dano.

Note: we'd have to probably sent a cap dump player in the trade since we'd be taking on a Pavelski/Couture contract of 6 million per year.

I think you're dreaming if you think a 9-12 plus Anisimov + a C level prospect gets either of those guys. If one of them is available I think you have to consider it though. If we believe that December and the last 12 are truly representative of this team then the time is now to bolster the team for a serious run. I'd give the #1 plus Arty plus Bourque as the salary dump plus I don't know. Cam? A couple of 2's? Next year's #1 which hopefully will be somewhere in the 20's? One of the top prospects? Rychel, Milano or Bjorkstrand?

 

[Theo Von]

I think you're dreaming if you think a 9-12 plus Anisimov + a C level prospect gets either of those guys. If one of them is available I think you have to consider it though. If we believe that December and the last 12 are truly representative of this team then the time is now to bolster the team for a serious run. I'd give the #1 plus Arty plus Bourque as the salary dump plus I don't know. Cam? A couple of 2's? Next year's #1 which hopefully will be somewhere in the 20's? One of the top prospects? Rychel, Milano or Bjorkstrand?

I think your dreaming if you think it's fine to be giving up our first round picks in the next 2 drafts.... you can't just 'hope' it's in the 20's. If, hypothetically, we don't make playoffs next year and win the lotto, would you still be happy with acquiring Pavelski/Couture then? Come on man. There's about a 3 percent chance that Jarmo (the draft specialist) trades this year's first round pick and about a 0.00001 percent chance we trade both of our firsts over the next 2 drafts..... dream on.

 

[EspenK]

I think your dreaming if you think it's fine to be giving up our first round picks in the next 2 drafts.... you can't just 'hope' it's in the 20's. If, hypothetically, we don't make playoffs next year and win the lotto, would you still be happy with acquiring Pavelski/Couture then? Come on man. There's about a 3 percent chance that Jarmo (the draft specialist) trades this year's first round pick and about a 0.00001 percent chance we trade both of our firsts over the next 2 drafts..... dream on.

Well, all I know is if we wait for all our prospects to develop as the top guys get older our window may shut. If we are as good as most here believe due to our fantastic finish and our December run then why not go all in and try to make a serious run? On the other hand if you're just blowing smoke and think your suggestion is even in the ball park then you don't have a clue.

I agree there is little chance we trade two #1's - I was merely looking for further discussion not some moronic response. Curses, foiled again.

 

[Sore Loser]

Well, all I know is if we wait for all our prospects to develop as the top guys get older our window may shut. If we are as good as most here believe due to our fantastic finish and our December run then why not go all in and try to make a serious run? On the other hand if you're just blowing smoke and think your suggestion is even in the ball park then you don't have a clue.

I agree there is little chance we trade two #1's - I was merely looking for further discussion not some moronic response. Curses, foiled again.

I think the legitimate core of this team is still young enough, with most of the youth now being nearly ready, to combine for a damn good team for a lot of years to come. Scott Hartnell is one of the oldest players on the team, and he's still only 32.

I don't know about giving up two first round picks for any one player, personally. I would rather give up a first and one of the prospects currently in the system than give up next year's first, it just "feels safer".

Or, you could always put a lottery protection stipulation on the trade. Something other teams have been ridiculed for not doing.

 

[EspenK]

Dallas with a nice win although I was hoping for it to be a 3 pointer.

As of today Kings and Sharks could win the lottery. With the possibility of either Pittsburgh or Detroit joining them.

 

[Jackets16]

I think the legitimate core of this team is still young enough, with most of the youth now being nearly ready, to combine for a damn good team for a lot of years to come. Scott Hartnell is one of the oldest players on the team, and he's still only 32.

I don't know about giving up two first round picks for any one player, personally. I would rather give up a first and one of the prospects currently in the system than give up next year's first, it just "feels safer".

Or, you could always put a lottery protection stipulation on the trade. Something other teams have been ridiculed for not doing.

I'd rather just keep the team as is. I see no reason to trade a bunch of assets for a forward.

 

[Jackets16]

Well, all I know is if we wait for all our prospects to develop as the top guys get older our window may shut. If we are as good as most here believe due to our fantastic finish and our December run then why not go all in and try to make a serious run? On the other hand if you're just blowing smoke and think your suggestion is even in the ball park then you don't have a clue.

I agree there is little chance we trade two #1's - I was merely looking for further discussion not some moronic response. Curses, foiled again.

How long do you expect it to take our prospects to make the NHL? 5 years? 10 years? I think we have enough good, young players in the NHL already to be good for a quite a long time. Now, we need to just keep drafting well and make smart signings/trades when needed.

Dano - 20
Wennberg - 20
Jenner - 21
Murray - 21
Johansen - 22
Savard - 24
Atkinson - 25
Calvert - 25
Connauton - 25
Goloubef - 25
Prout - 25
Bobrovsky - 26
Foligno - 27
Dubinsky - 28
Johnson - 28

 

[cslebn]

it's easy to forget how young guys like Dubi, Foligno, JJ, AA (26) really are since they've been around for so many years now.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

How long do you expect it to take our prospects to make the NHL? 5 years? 10 years? I think we have enough good, young players in the NHL already to be good for a quite a long time. Now, we need to just keep drafting well and make smart signings/trades when needed.

Dano - 20
Wennberg - 20
Jenner - 21
Murray - 21
Johansen - 22
Savard - 24
Atkinson - 25
Calvert - 25
Connauton - 25
Goloubef - 25
Prout - 25
Bobrovsky - 26
Foligno - 27
Dubinsky - 28
Johnson - 28

Looks like Anisimov is gone, though, per your list. And since the team is already so young, you could probably part with a young player who hasn't cracked the roster yet for a still-young player.

 

[Jackets16]

Looks like Anisimov is gone, though, per your list. And since the team is already so young, you could probably part with a young player who hasn't cracked the roster yet for a still-young player.

Yes, I would trade him.

Yes, you could, but who is that player? Is it really needed or worth it? I just don't see a need to trade for a forward. A defenseman? Sure, if he is young and proven, but not a forward.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Yes, I would trade him.

Yes, you could, but who is that player? Is it really needed or worth it? I just don't see a need to trade for a forward. A defenseman? Sure, if he is young and proven, but not a forward.

I wouldn't trade for a forward, either. Just askin'. I jest felt like, to some ways of thinking, you made as good a case against your point as for it.

 

[EspenK]

I'd rather just keep the team as is. I see no reason to trade a bunch of assets for a forward.

The original post that started this debate was a proposal to trade our 1st as part of a package for Logan Coture or Joe Pavelski not any forward. Both are established stars.

Our current team is good but could be better. We4 also have too many players looking ou a couple of years. Adding one or two to our pick willnot set back the development of this team. Adding a guy like either of those two, although I'd prefer Coture, would make this team a whole lot better immediately. Other teams don't stand still, why should we?

You know I'm a big draftnik and think we will add a good player this year. But if, which I doubt, the opportunity arises to obtain one of those two (especially Coture) at the cost of our 1st plus I'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

[EspenK]

How long do you expect it to take our prospects to make the NHL? 5 years? 10 years? I think we have enough good, young players in the NHL already to be good for a quite a long time. Now, we need to just keep drafting well and make smart signings/trades when needed.

Dano - 20
Wennberg - 20
Jenner - 21
Murray - 21
Johansen - 22
Savard - 24
Atkinson - 25
Calvert - 25
Connauton - 25
Goloubef - 25
Prout - 25
Bobrovsky - 26
Foligno - 27
Dubinsky - 28
Johnson - 28

Logan Coture is 26. Would fit right in. He's a proven star. Better than most of our forwards.

You would fit in the Winnipeg front office;me I'm more of a wheeler dealer Rangers type GM.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

You know I'm a big draftnik and think we will add a good player this year. But if, which I doubt, the opportunity arises to obtain one of those two (especially Coture) at the cost of our 1st plus I'd do it in a heartbeat.

As a fanbase, we've been here before, in a position where we find it hard to think about giving up this year's first-rounder because it will be "the last time we draft this high". I've got some of that going myself - acknowledging, of course, in particular for Espen, that the 2015 first-rounder is getting less and less "high."

The idea of adding one of the SJS forwards, especially Couture, is tempting. I'd be more likely to consider it for a defenseman. My dream scenario (in which I haven't considered salary implications, and which will be met with plenty of CBJ fans fairly worried about his health) is that Kris Letang somehow becomes available.

 

[Jackets16]

The original post that started this debate was a proposal to trade our 1st as part of a package for Logan Coture or Joe Pavelski not any forward. Both are established stars.

Our current team is good but could be better. We4 also have too many players looking ou a couple of years. Adding one or two to our pick willnot set back the development of this team. Adding a guy like either of those two, although I'd prefer Coture, would make this team a whole lot better immediately. Other teams don't stand still, why should we?

You know I'm a big draftnik and think we will add a good player this year. But if, which I doubt, the opportunity arises to obtain one of those two (especially Coture) at the cost of our 1st plus I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I will agree to disagree, at least when it comes to Pavelski. For Couture, the price would have to be right. I just think our forwards (goal scoring) is fine. If we are going to spend any assets to trade for someone it should be for a defenseman.

 

[Jackets16]

Logan Coture is 26. Would fit right in. He's a proven star. Better than most of our forwards.

You would fit in the Winnipeg front office;me I'm more of a wheeler dealer Rangers type GM.

Hey, I like making trades, I just don't like giving up assets for a position that isn't a need when we have needs. If we had no needs and we could get him, great. Unfortunately, we have a big need at another position.