Pre-Game Talk: 2014 NHL Entry Draft Part 1

[Ventana*]

The more and more I think about it the more I want Nylander. He's sick.

 

[me2]

Hmm I wonder if he'll get as big as Nichushkin?

I wonder if Nichushkin will get as big as Krutov.

 

[BobbyJazzLegs]

I wonder if Nichushkin will get as big as Krutov.

Way to go old school on me. Not fair.

 

[Verviticus]

If he isn't at least willing to put some realistic thought behind what each GM's motivations and patterns are, he probably shouldn't be doing mock drafts for NHL.com.

your expectations are too high for the bottom of the barrel

 

[Verviticus]

At the end of the day I just feel like you need at least 1, preferably 2, elite talents to drive the offense. I don't see what the big issue with that is.

well the bruins and the kings, for one

you just need a good enough hockey team to win more than 50% of the games in four sets of matches. thats it. thats all you need. you dont need anything else. you can do that with higgins x 16 and tanev x 6 or you can do 6x crosby and 14x andrew alberts, it doesnt matter

 

[Love]

More than anything Im just interested to see where we're picking at the draft. I feel like it could be anywhere from around 6th-20th. I dont think the team is as bad as its been lately and could still make the playoffs, but that is no easy task at this point.

 

[Wilch]

More than anything Im just interested to see where we're picking at the draft. I feel like it could be anywhere from around 6th-20th. I dont think the team is as bad as its been lately and could still make the playoffs, but that is no easy task at this point.

I think our core will be even more fatigued by the time they're back from the Olympics with the exception of Henrik.

It could get really ugly.

 

[ihaveyuidonttouchme]

Does Ho Sang has a reputation for making bad turn overs?

Saw his game today and thought he turned the puck over many times.
Especially near the end of 3rd
turned the puck over many times (mostly, he tried to do too much which ended up going nowhere)
which lead to many (a few) scoring chances for North Bay
which ultimately lead to Liberati's game tying goal...

 

[me2]

ISS Hockey February ranking of the the top 30 prospects for the 2014 NHL Draft.

Rank Player Last Rank

1 Aaron Ekblad 1
2 Sam Reinhart 2
3 Sam Bennett 3
4 Michael Dal Colle 4
5 Willie Nylander 5
6 Brendan Perlini 6
7 Jake Virtanen 9 +2
8 Haydn Fleury 8
9 Josh Ho-Sang 19 +10
10 Nick Ritchie 13 +3
11 Leon Draisaitl 7 -4
12 Kasperi Kapanen 12
13 Nikolay Goldobi 25 +12
14 Alex Tuch 16
15 Roland McKeown 11 -4
16 Conner Bleackley 14
17 Jared McCann 15
18 Sonny Milano 17
19 Ivan Barbashev 18
20 Nikolaj Ehlers 25 +5
21 Anton Karlsson 10 -11
22 Adrian Kempe 21
23 Dylan Larkin 22
24 Nikita Scherbak 45 +21
25 Anthony Deangelo 23
26 Alex Peters 48 +22
27 Robby Fabbri 24
28 Oskar Lindblom 26
29 David Pastrnak 31
30 Jack Dougherty 35 +5

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articl...reinhart-still-1-2-in-the-2014-draft-rankings

 

[ugghhh]

Does Ho Sang has a reputation for making bad turn overs?

Saw his game today and thought he turned the puck over many times.
Especially near the end of 3rd
turned the puck over many times (mostly, he tried to do too much which ended up going nowhere)
which lead to many (a few) scoring chances for North Bay
which ultimately lead to Liberati's game tying goal...

Thats been the issue with him since he was 15(14?). Great skill, still tries to do too much.

 

[QuietContrarian]

ISS Hockey February ranking of the the top 30 prospects for the 2014 NHL Draft.

Rank Player Last Rank
1 Aaron Ekblad 1
2 Sam Reinhart 2
3 Sam Bennett 3
4 Michael Dal Colle 4
5 Willie Nylander 5
6 Brendan Perlini 6
7 Jake Virtanen 9
8 Haydn Fleury 8
9 Josh Ho-Sang 19
10 Nick Ritchie 13
11 Leon Draisaitl 7
12 Kasperi Kapanen 12
13 Nikolay Goldobi 25
14 Alex Tuch 16
15 Roland McKeown 11
16 Conner Bleackley 14
17 Jared McCann 15
18 Sonny Milano 17
19 Ivan Barbashev 18
20 Nikolaj Ehlers 25
21 Anton Karlsson 10
22 Adrian Kempe 21
23 Dylan Larkin 22
24 Nikita Scherbak 45
25 Anthony Deangelo 23
26 Alex Peters 48
27 Robby Fabbri 24
28 Oskar Lindblom 26
29 David Pastrnak 31
30 Jack Dougherty 35

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articl...reinhart-still-1-2-in-the-2014-draft-rankings

Never been fond of ISS rankings. Too much not to like for me.

Don't like Perlini, Virtanen or Ho-Sang in the top 10.
I can accept Jake, but not Perlini or Ho-Sang.

Still think Ehlers is too low, I know Draisaitl has fallen, but NOT out of the top 10, I mean come on....

Milano also too high for me, and same with Goldobin.

 

[Peen]

Never been fond of ISS rankings. Too much not to like for me.

Don't like Perlini, Virtanen or Ho-Sang in the top 10.
I can accept Jake, but not Perlini or Ho-Sang.

Still think Ehlers is too low, I know Draisaitl has fallen, but NOT out of the top 10, I mean come on....

Milano also too high for me, and same with Goldobin.

Agreed with all of what you just said.

Barbashev, moreso Pastrnak should be quite a bit higher. Also, where the heck is Honka/Fiala?

 

[QuietContrarian]

Agreed with all of what you just said.

Barbashev, moreso Pastrnak should be quite a bit higher. Also, where the heck is Honka/Fiala?

Agreed.

Have been high on Fiala and Pastrnak for a while aswell. No love for them...

 

[PhilMick]

ISS Hockey February ranking of the the top 30 prospects for the 2014 NHL Draft.

Rank Player Last Rank

1 Aaron Ekblad 1
2 Sam Reinhart 2
3 Sam Bennett 3
4 Michael Dal Colle 4
5 Willie Nylander 5
6 Brendan Perlini 6
7 Jake Virtanen 9 +2
8 Haydn Fleury 8
9 Josh Ho-Sang 19 +10
10 Nick Ritchie 13 +3
11 Leon Draisaitl 7 -4
12 Kasperi Kapanen 12
13 Nikolay Goldobi 25 +12
14 Alex Tuch 16
15 Roland McKeown 11 -4
16 Conner Bleackley 14
17 Jared McCann 15
18 Sonny Milano 17
19 Ivan Barbashev 18
20 Nikolaj Ehlers 25 +5
21 Anton Karlsson 10 -11
22 Adrian Kempe 21
23 Dylan Larkin 22
24 Nikita Scherbak 45 +21
25 Anthony Deangelo 23
26 Alex Peters 48 +22
27 Robby Fabbri 24
28 Oskar Lindblom 26
29 David Pastrnak 31
30 Jack Dougherty 35 +5

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articl...reinhart-still-1-2-in-the-2014-draft-rankings

Who's this Alex Peters dude who's rising so much?

 

[arsmaster*]

Who's this Alex Peters dude who's rising so much?

6'5" dman on the Plymouth Whalers. Brother to the goalie on Carolina - Justin Peters.

Doesn't have eye popping stats, but I remember the debate on drafting non 0.5ppg defensman and he only has 7 points this year.

What is weird though is that I've been tracking (through game sheets) 6'6" defensman from the Prince George Cougars. Last year I couldn't understand why teams were so high on him and why he was showing up in top 60 lists. He only had 15 points in 52 games, well below the 0.5ppg threshold, but this year he has 15 goals and 36 points in 54 games to go with 100+ PIMS. Sometimes these bigger, ganglier guys just need that extra year of development.

Of course Detroit drafted McNulty.

 

[Tiranis]

6'5" dman on the Plymouth Whalers. Brother to the goalie on Carolina - Justin Peters.

Doesn't have eye popping stats, but I remember the debate on drafting non 0.5ppg defensman and he only has 7 points this year.

What is weird though is that I've been tracking (through game sheets) 6'6" defensman from the Prince George Cougars. Last year I couldn't understand why teams were so high on him and why he was showing up in top 60 lists. He only had 15 points in 52 games, well below the 0.5ppg threshold, but this year he has 15 goals and 36 points in 54 games to go with 100+ PIMS. Sometimes these bigger, ganglier guys just need that extra year of development.

Of course Detroit drafted McNulty.

The .5ppg thing was about guys never reaching that in their junior career. You've definitely got guys like Weber who didn't produce in their draft year due to a lack of opportunity rather than a lack of skill.

It's when you pick a Taylor Ellington, who had all the opportunities in the world, that you're left scratching your head.

 

[PhilMick]

6'5" dman on the Plymouth Whalers. Brother to the goalie on Carolina - Justin Peters.

Doesn't have eye popping stats, but I remember the debate on drafting non 0.5ppg defensman and he only has 7 points this year.

What is weird though is that I've been tracking (through game sheets) 6'6" defensman from the Prince George Cougars. Last year I couldn't understand why teams were so high on him and why he was showing up in top 60 lists. He only had 15 points in 52 games, well below the 0.5ppg threshold, but this year he has 15 goals and 36 points in 54 games to go with 100+ PIMS. Sometimes these bigger, ganglier guys just need that extra year of development.

Of course Detroit drafted McNulty.

How would you compare him to Dillon Heatherington from last year?

 

[Vankiller Whale]

6'5" dman on the Plymouth Whalers. Brother to the goalie on Carolina - Justin Peters.

Doesn't have eye popping stats, but I remember the debate on drafting non 0.5ppg defensman and he only has 7 points this year.

What is weird though is that I've been tracking (through game sheets) 6'6" defensman from the Prince George Cougars. Last year I couldn't understand why teams were so high on him and why he was showing up in top 60 lists. He only had 15 points in 52 games, well below the 0.5ppg threshold, but this year he has 15 goals and 36 points in 54 games to go with 100+ PIMS. Sometimes these bigger, ganglier guys just need that extra year of development.

Of course Detroit drafted McNulty.

Shea Weber had a similar development curve, I believe. While I wouldn't want to take a guy like that in the first round(see: Morin), I'm not entirely opposed to taking a guy like that in the late rounds. Although I have no idea what it is in those kinds of players that finally makes them "click"

 

[arsmaster*]

How would you compare him to Dillon Heatherington from last year?

Haven't watched Plymouth. But for a kid to even on a team with a -40 goal differential at least shows he can hold his own.

 

[dave babych returns]

Of course Detroit drafted McNulty.

McNutty!

 

[arsmaster*]

Shea Weber had a similar development curve, I believe. While I wouldn't want to take a guy like that in the first round(see: Morin), I'm not entirely opposed to taking a guy like that in the late rounds. Although I have no idea what it is in those kinds of players that finally makes them "click"

Yeah, I think that's the key....how do you project those guys to know their going to "click".

I mean there are Shea Weber's and Zdeno Chara's, but what does the middle ground look like.

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@Tiranis, I think McNulty was getting opportunities last year, it just seems PG is a lot better in terms of talent this year. Their 2015 NHL draft class looks quite good (Harkins, Morrison, and Olson). I was hoping to see them this year but didn't get the chance.

Also interesting to note Detroit took another similar guy, Mitchell Wheaton out of Kelowna, and he's up over 0.5ppg this year too.

 

[dave babych returns]

More than anything Im just interested to see where we're picking at the draft. I feel like it could be anywhere from around 6th-20th.

20th would be a weird spot, basically 13th-25th (14th-26th in a year where NJ isn't forfeiting a pick) are for teams that don't make it past the second round and within that group it goes by regular season finish - the Canucks would have to pass a lot of teams to end up the 7th-worst team to make the playoffs and lose in the first or second round.

I think the latest this team drafts is the late teens, barring a cinderella story playoff run that puts them in the conference finals.

 

[Addison Rae]

Draisaitl at 11? I'd take him at 5

 

[Nuckles]

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