Lafleurs Guy
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- Jul 20, 2007
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Good post... Thought you were of the mindset that this was a good signing, guess not.This is an interesting thread. I generally agree with LG, and in this case I also agree, but with some comments that I have not seen here:
1. I have repeatedly stated that the UFA route increasingly sucks. Time and time again we see evidence of this. My reasoning here is that the NHL has become a game of young men. 30 and over, you are a question mark. It seems absurd, but I believe this is true. I also believe that good NHL GMs are getting this.
2. I also said that Bergy's biggest challenge this summer was to find a big, young, productive top six forward, by trade. This forward should also be in our cup window in 2 years. I also stated that this would likely be impossible. This has proven to be the case.
3. I further said that Bergy's next challenge was to find a minute eating top 4 big D man, again, through trade. This D man should also be in our cup window in 2 years. We will see. It looks unlikely.
Conclusion: Bergy has dealt with next year and the need to at least be competitive. That is one of his jobs and we should not discount that. But he has not in any way improved Habs for the cup window in 2 years, discounting the draft.
I think that is what is really making LG and others upset, and I don't blame them. We have to act now by trade of good vets in order to have the youth, yes, youth, to compete for the cup in 2015.
Marky and Pleks will not be on our next cup team, and we should have traded them this summer, or we had better trade them next summer, in order to ensure that Habs are young enough, and big enough to win the cup in our window. The Cup is now all about youth, and it is taking some organizations a long time to realize this.
Briere was simply not a cup window signing. He is a signing to keep us in the playoff hunt next year. That is not good enough. Along with good drafting, Bergy needs to start trading for youth, next year, or he is done.
I posted this in another thread but we're seeing the consequences of not doing a full scale rebuild now. If we'd taken the awful tasting medicine back then we'd be in better shape now. Nothing we can do about this though.
Our blueline is ****ed. It really is right now. Tinordi is green, Gorges pulled a disappearing act and we're left with Markov who's now a PP specialist, Subban and spare parts. The one area where MB HAS to improve is adding a big shutdown guy. And he's got to do this now because we can't shaft Price the way we did this year. If we don't add that blueliner it's going to be ugly.
We didn't get the PF... okay. Too bad but it is what it is. Leaving aside Briere, there's no excuse for not getting a shut down guy. He's got to do this. Coburn would be good a guy with size and the Flyers are cap screwed. Trades aren't easy but he's got to do something about this. If he doesn't we'd better pray that Tinordi is all we hope he is and that Price can have a good year. Because if things don't go right, it's going to be a rough, rough year.
Actually they do. See Pittsburgh and Chicago. Edmonton is a different case because all their talent is loaded up on the forwards. There's no balance there. Still a very young team though, you aren't going to win a cup with 18 year olds but you can with 22 and 23 year olds.First, experienced vets are essential to winning a cup. Stop with the gerontophobia. Nobody wins a cup with a bunch of talented young guys (see EDM).
Can't blame MB for that. His predecessors refused to rebuild the right way and now we deal with the consequences.Second, our cup window always seem to be 2 years away. Anybody got anything more substantial in that regard? Maybe the fact that our cup window is always two years away is a clear sign that we are not making any significant progress?
What we can blame him for though is perpetuating the past by signing Briere... something that' right out of Gainey and VeganSkeletor's playbook. That was just dumb and really shook my confidence. If we were close, we took a step back. Any hopes that I had of us competing this year or next were really taken aback by this move.