GDT: 2013 NHL Free Agent Frenzy Part 3

[Ghetto Sangria]

I hate rumour mongers like Dreger and Damien Cox and their ilk for being vague horoscope writers at best and also stupid old white men "analysts" like Mackenzie and Hodge for being shills for their respective organizations (NHL; Leafs).

Nice try though.

Those were the guys who came up with the contract offered to lecav... My point stands.

 

[lou4gehrig]

I'd rather put my money out there to sign Scuderi and gamble on bringing back Dominic Moore than to sign Briere.
If I'm signing Briere, I make sure damn well that I have a team willing to take DD because I'm not embarrassing my franchise by watching him fall down on the ice every time he engages on the boards.

I already had a detailed post before. We have 3 needs. A scoring winger with size. A PK/Face-off specialist.. and an all situations D-man.

There were few on the market but we did not chase hard enough for any and chose to sign Briere instead. With no exit strategy on DD.

I can call MB an idiot. He extended DD and Bouillon. Anyone who is legally blind could see those two morons can't compete on a team destined to contend for the stanley cup.

He didn't even tempt Vinny when he was a better option and addressed more concerns on this team than Briere could dream of doing.

Finally, while it's only a 7th rounder, he could've claimed Asham for free.

Okay Scuderi and Moore. What else. Other than listing our needs, I don't see a realistic plan there.

And we'd have to offer Scuderi alot more than he got from Pittsburgh since they are a contender and we're not.

Again is sounds like more "Waah, we small. Waah we bad. Waah other teams are overspending and we're not. Waaah."

 

[Habskrieg]

I replied already bro look at my posts
1st + Beaulieu + Kristo (ooops)

That isn't even close to beating the Sens offer. Silfverberg is already a good player who will become even better. Silf's shot will make a deadly sniper for years to come. Noens is a good prospect that should soon come into the league, he plays a lot like Ryan.

While Beaulieu and Kristo are good prospects. Btw, we don't have Kristo anymore, so your offer wouldn't even be good. But let's just say... Neither are in the NHL yet. But the Sens offered an already established NHL and a good prospect. You're offering to current AHLers who still need to grow to get into the NHL and would probably take more time than anyone the Sens gave. Top to that, you're offering a player we don't even own anymore.

 

[JPGoHabsGo]

The unacceptable part about this offseason for me is offering Vinny less then Desharnais, then giving briere more than desharnais

 

[Rosso Scuderia]

Ryan is a 60 point guy. Not the messiah. Far lazier than Eller and not any bigger. Eller even plays with more of an edge.

I wouldn't trade Eller+High prospect+1st round pick for Ryan but let's not underrate him. 4 straight 30 goals season. Pacioretty did it once and he's basically an untouchable here.

 

[sandysan]

Again. Like the other whiners, offer some alternatives to the reality that has happened. We know the price for the "big names" like Clarkson and Vinny and Ryan.

So present a scenario with current assets and cap situation to construct a worthy team. You can't just sit in your basement and call MB and idiot over and over without showing realistic alternatives.

Matt Hendricks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> danny briere ( for what we need and he was cheaper and longer term).

 

[Habs8517]

Enough with the character word. It doesn't mean anything, just a fancy word they put out there to pull the wool over the eyes of the fans to mask that the Habs are a crappy team and to raise the prices. They want you to believe that they are going in the right direction to win the Stanley Cup but in reality, they just dont care and even if they want to, they are just too incompetent to achieve the goal.

With Gainey and Gauthier it was "speed and skill", Carbo was "team toughness" and "work hard", Martin was "puck possession". Funny how much the Habs had those qualities in abundance but they still sucked, oh wait, they didn't have them to begin with or if they had, it was so minuscule that it didn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

 

[ZARTONK]

Guys, vote for Roy Munson's GDT for the Waffle Cup. Victory is within our reach!

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1461153

Up by 30!

 

[sharks9]

Am i the only one having faith in Bergevin? This is not Houle or Gainey/Gauthier here. Marc got Briere for offensive depth purpose and now Parros. 2 missing pieces. Yes there are some more things to get but he can't get all these things in one day.

We got bigger in the future with Mccarron, Crisp and co. and maybe the summer shopping's not done yet. Everybody's freaking out cause they took the day off to see a blockbuster...but nobody is seeing that we ARE a better team than last may.

Briere still has gas in the tank and is good on the PP and in the playoffs. He's a great mentor for guys like Chuckie,Gally and Lars. The youngsters that compose more than 50% of this team will all be better (Chuckie,Gally,Eller,Tinordi,Beaulieu etc.) and Parros will be there to help Prust avoiding injuries and let him play his REAL role on this team.

Yeah we need a crease clearing defenseman and another powerforward I know it. But there's no confirmation Marc is not aware of it and will not take care of this before october.

Have faith guys. Our future is brighter than most people think. Just be excited at our blue chips being a lot better. Compare them with 1 year ago and imagine the same growing for this upcoming year. We will be good. And Price can rebound in a big way with Waite as a mentor.

I seem to be the only one excited and proud to be a canadiens fan here.

I completely agree with you.

We have a good, young team who finished first in the division last year and we haven't lost any significant pieces this offseason.

I'm not jumping on the fire Bergevin bandwagon until we see the results of the plans for this team.

I wish our other fans were more patient but unfortunately that's not the case.

 

[Habssince89]

We spent more on a guy who brings nothing than a guy who would, at the very least, be harder to play against and WILL stick up for teammates. No one said he need be a power forward, we need a winger with size and jam for our peanut butter soft forwards. He fits the bill.

Seriously if you know what you know now, and are given 8 million and a time machine, you don't go back and swap Hendricks for briere?

Hendricks is not a super heavy but he takes the pressure off prust and to be fair we were not in on the majority of big players signings ( clarkson/cloe/horton).

Adding Hendricks fits into the longterm plan, adding shrimpy briere does not. We don't have to chase the cream of the ufa crop, but we still should address glaring deficiencies rather than trumpeting distraction deals like briere.

Briere doesn't bring nothing. He's actually a great player, but he's redundant and unnecessary. So while I'm not thrilled with the deal, It's far from a bad one. As I've said before, it will all depend on the next moves MB makes. And as for Hendricks, he wouldn't be a long term thing IMO. I get what you're saying. I just think that MB is right about paying the price for a top6, especially when teams know you're desperate. Better to be patient and not do a knee jerk move. We have several players who have significant value and we should be careful about if we deal them, who we deal them to, and what we deal them for. If MB has to wait it out this season, so be it. I would rather have a meh season than another Gomez fleecing. Let's see what the weekend has to offer.

 

[Natey]

Rags sign Moore... maybe they want his old line mate Moen in exchange for Boyle?

Moore mostly played with Pyatt and Lapierre. **** that line was awesome.

 

[No More Subban]

Am i the only one having faith in Bergevin? This is not Houle or Gainey/Gauthier here. Marc got Briere for offensive depth purpose and now Parros. 2 missing pieces. Yes there are some more things to get but he can't get all these things in one day.

We got bigger in the future with Mccarron, Crisp and co. and maybe the summer shopping's not done yet. Everybody's freaking out cause they took the day off to see a blockbuster...but nobody is seeing that we ARE a better team than last may.

Briere still has gas in the tank and is good on the PP and in the playoffs. He's a great mentor for guys like Chuckie,Gally and Lars. The youngsters that compose more than 50% of this team will all be better (Chuckie,Gally,Eller,Tinordi,Beaulieu etc.) and Parros will be there to help Prust avoiding injuries and let him play his REAL role on this team.

Yeah we need a crease clearing defenseman and another powerforward I know it. But there's no confirmation Marc is not aware of it and will not take care of this before october.

Have faith guys. Our future is brighter than most people think. Just be excited at our blue chips being a lot better. Compare them with 1 year ago and imagine the same growing for this upcoming year. We will be good. And Price can rebound in a big way with Waite as a mentor.

I seem to be the only one excited and proud to be a canadiens fan here.

Same. Not worried at all. There's still plenty of time to make moves.

Like I always said, sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make. (Clarkson, Clowe huge contracts..)

 

[CaptainBenn]

Ryan is a 60 point guy. Not the messiah. Far lazier than Eller and not any bigger. Eller even plays with more of an edge.

Looool maybe in 5 years Eller will be more than a 3rd liner
Lets wait

 

[Shabutie]

I wouldn't trade Eller+High prospect+1st round pick for Ryan but let's not underrate him. 4 straight 30 goals season. Pacioretty did it once and he's basically an untouchable here.

I'm not underrating the guy...he's a 30 goal, 60 point guy with size. He's wildly inconsistent, doesn't play as physical as you'd like him to and is no where close to as good as Eller defensively. I wouldn't trade our future for him... I believe Eller can and will be a 20 goal 50 point guy... I don't trade him + beaulieu + a 1st for 10-15 extra goals/points.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

Those were the guys who came up with the contract offered to lecav... My point stands.

The solid figures offered are just news, they provide it and that's it - it's when Dreger says "the #Leafs were interested but chose to pursue other options" after every FA signing that you realize it's all a big sham with very little substance. The substance is good though - it's what gets us all talking to begin with.

And in fairness, Lebrun and them are reporters and not "analysts" or talking heads on TV. They do their due diligence and call around and get numbers and figures and share them for free. When nobodies like Hodge or Cox or Simmons or (ugh) the Gazette klan write up articles with their smug sense of importance it just makes me want to print a copy and stuff it down their face.

Kinda like how I want to print a picture of Briere and stuff it down Bergevin's face

 

[MXD]

Right.. So that leaves us with Subban, Emelin, Tinordi, Drewiske, and Gorges on D. Sexy.

I'd be extremely surprised if Beaulieu isn't a regular with the team in 14-15.

And if he's not, that would probably mean he would have been traded for an asset, which could be a D.

 

[benji]

I just come here because i'm a pretty happy guy in general and i'm looking to get a little more depressed

it's working pretty well with you guys!

Hmm never thought of that perspective, but it's true. When I feel I love the Habs too much I come here, and after 5 minutes I want to go postal on the whole front office, send each player down to the AHL to bury their contracts even though the rules say we can't do that anymore, and punch Youppi! in the face. Then I realize it's all probably not a good idea after all.

 

[Go Habs Go]

Okay Scuderi and Moore. What else. Other than listing our needs, I don't see a realistic plan there.

And we'd have to offer Scuderi alot more than he got from Pittsburgh since they are a contender and we're not.

Again is sounds like more "Waah, we small. Waah we bad. Waah other teams are overspending and we're not. Waaah."

Its exactly that.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Okay Scuderi and Moore. What else. Other than listing our needs, I don't see a realistic plan there.

And we'd have to offer Scuderi alot more than he got from Pittsburgh since they are a contender and we're not.

Again is sounds like more "Waah, we small. Waah we bad. Waah other teams are overspending and we're not. Waaah."

What do you mean, what else?

With Scuderi and Moore we've addressed two of the biggest issues of the team. Trying to get a physical top 6er is hard, you show patience with that.. but you can't go into free agency and having watched our team and think "hmm, Parros and Briere.. well done!"

Are you aware how bad our PK is?
Do you know the PK rates of the teams in the cup final this year?
You don't think it's reasonable to assume that it is a bad idea to not address the lack of PKing success over trying to add an overpaid, midget, scorer, who offers no skillset that is not already prevalent on the team?

Toronto missed the play-offs for how many years? They signed McClement and what happened? Their PK sky rocketed from bottom to tops, they made the play-offs and were some play-off experience away from going to round 2.

Penalty killing and face-off play are two "small" things that make a monumental difference in a hockey game. Most fairweather fans don't see this because they are so enamored with "scoring" that they don't realize the fundamentals that take place between goals that are required to, not concede goals, and to gain possession of the puck to score goals.

 

[overlords]

Some of you overrate Toronto. They lost a bit of their depth in their toughness obsession.

However Boston, Ottawa and Detroit are significantly better than us, so we will be fighting for the wild card spot on paper.

Ottawa isn't significantly better than us in my opinion. They still lost alfie and silfverberg, it's not like they just added Ryan to bolster their existing lineup. Not impress, tbh. Not afraid of Boston either. Detroit on the other hand...

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

The unacceptable part about this offseason for me is offering Vinny less then Desharnais, then giving briere more than desharnais

That's what I'm talking about man! It's crazy.

 

[CupInSIX]

Stewart will be cheaper than Ryan. And I don't mean Anthony.

Still available on the UFA front:

Murray
Boyes
Iginla
Ponikarovsky
Jagr
Halpern
Pooliot
ryder

 

[Shabutie]

Looool maybe in 5 years Eller will be more than a 3rd liner
Lets wait

Newsflash... Ryan finished with the same point total as Eller this year despite having better minutes, PP time and better linemates.

 

[CaptainBenn]

Stewart will be cheaper than Ryan. And I don't mean Anthony.

And hes 1/100 the player Ryan is

 

[Habssince89]

Because they've done it last year. They also continue to use Bouillon on the PP.. Gorges too, over Emelin. They have absolutely 0 idea of how to put the best suited players in a position to excel, they'd rather ride the coat-tails of their junior players.

Don't change the subject. You were talking about forwards and you said our PP would have DD-Briere-Gally and Bourque-Plek-Moen. Not Eller, Pac, Galch, etc. You clearly are just being dramatic to inflate the sense of panic and drama in this fanbase. Like many posters, you're picking and choosing your arguments, pulling stuff out of thin air, and using the ridiculously unlikely as cold, hard facts. The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Seriously, this is why people love to bug hab fans.