2012 NHL RE--DRAFT !!

[TMLeafs17]

We had him #1 and we’d take him #1 in a redraft.

 

[LordNeverLose]

Griffin Reinhart goes 1st OA since 3 years later you can trade him for Barzal + 2nd

 

[BAM]

Call me crazy, but I'd rate Parayko over Dumba, Slavin, and Trouba, and just behind Lindholm( very good, but overrated) and Rielly. Can see him overtaking Rielly as more valuable in a couple of years, but Rielly's body of work has to count for something.

I mean, a giant Dman with offensive chops, and the ability to defend the biggest, strongest forwards in the league? Good skater for such a big guy? Sign me up!

I actually never realized Parayko is a year older than Rielly and Lindholm. Topping Rielly would be pretty hard tbh..50 + points while facing some of the toughest usage in the league, unless Pietrangelo goes away I doubt Parayko ever sees that kind of QoC.

 

[57special]

Yes, but Pietrangelo also gets more opportunity than Parayko. Again, I said Rielly has been the better Dman so far, because I value all the TOI he put in before Parayko stepped on the ice in the NHL, but Parayko can dominate a game in a way that Rielly can't. Makes me think of Weber, a little bit. Not as physical or mean, but his shot is almost as good.

I would probably choose Parayko myself over Rielly if I had to put a team together. Parayko sometimes loses focus defensively, but Rielly does too.

 

[AuraSphere]

Lindholm is easily the best(I agree), there should be debate for Slavin and Trouba though(I think Trouba is better overall though, we are threading needles though). Clearly the boards disagree with your #2 though.

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/jacob-trouba-vs-morgan-rielly.2491661/

Great you found a poll which is heavily favoured on bias. Let me just start by saying this, WPG fans think Trouba is no where near the 7M-8M range for cap hit. If Rielly asked for 7M, I'd give it to him, no questions asked.

If you want to use useless statistics, then for the world cup team, Trouba was benched, while Rielly played top pairing minutes for the exact same team.

 

[Atomos2]

Lindholm is easily the best(I agree), there should be debate for Slavin and Trouba though(I think Trouba is better overall though, we are threading needles though). Clearly the boards disagree with your #2 though.

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/jacob-trouba-vs-morgan-rielly.2491661/

Rielly is significantly better with significantly less contract headaches.

 

[tony d]

Not the strongest draft ever but still a solid draft with plenty of good talent spread around. Forsberg and Lindholm are all good ones from this draft.

 

[Critical13]

Rielly is significantly better with significantly less contract headaches.

He isn't though. I would have him above Trouba but to say he's significantly better is untrue.

I posted a statistical breakdown of the 2 and they were incredibly close. If you exclude contracts, you basically come down to a guy that has better skating and puck skills, vs a guy who doesn't get scored on often.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

3) Shane Ghostistbehere -->> He is a true offensive specialist. He is only 25 years old still and isn't even close to hitting his prime

This applies to everyone on the list? And ghost is the oldest guy here lol.

 

[Field of Dreams]

My top tiers in the draft. Within each tier I view each player as interchangeable.

Lindholm
Rielly

Forsberg

Slavin
Ghost
Parayko

Trouba
Dumba

 

[w e l o s t b o y s]

Call me crazy, but I'd rate Parayko over Dumba, Slavin, and Trouba, and just behind Lindholm( very good, but overrated) and Rielly. Can see him overtaking Rielly as more valuable in a couple of years, but Rielly's body of work has to count for something.

I mean, a giant Dman with offensive chops, and the ability to defend the biggest, strongest forwards in the league? Good skater for such a big guy? Sign me up!

Don't think it's crazy, there's a group of D in this draft that you could argue several different guys as being the best or most valuable of the bunch. Interesting draft to redo

 

[MasterMatt25]

1. Filip Forsberg
2. Hampus Lindholm
3. Andrei Vasilevskiy
4. Jaccob Slavin
5. Colton Parayko
6. Morgan Rielly
7. Mathew Dumba
8. Alex Galchenyuk
9. Jacob Trouba
10. Connor Hellebuyck
11. Shayne Gostisbehere
12. Teuvo Teravainen
13. Ryan Murray
14. Tomas Hertl
15. Matt Murray
16. Frederik Andersen
17. Michael Matheson
18. Brady Skjei
19. Colin Miller
20. Tanner Pearson
21. Chris Tierney
22. Olli Maatta
23. Esa Lindell
24. Andreas Athanasiou
25. Josh Anderson
26. Radek Faksa
27. Devin Shore
28. Tom Wilson
29. Jimmy Vesey
30. Alex Kerfoot

HMs: (not in order)
Charles Hudon
Zemgus Girgensons
Scott Laughton
Cody Ceci
Jake McCabe
Ben Hutton
Connor Brown
Matt Benning
Mark Jankowski
Adam Pelech
Damon Severson

 

[Kelly]

First of all I seen Reilly and I laughed(I knew you where a Leafs fan) and secondly a “Re-Draft” should have more than 5 players.

1. Oilers:
• Hellebuyck
-
Edmonton picks the best Goalie available, that said I’m aware Hellebuyck is not the top rated player in the draft(there are atleast 5-10 higher ranked players today IMO, but Oilers biggest need is Goaltending).

2. Columbus:
• Foresberg
-
Columbus leaves the draft with the best player available through the draft who can play a 200ft game and score with ease.

3. Montreal:
• Lindholm
-
Montreal selects the best defencemen available who is a Top 3 Defensive Defensemen in the NHL today, it fits the need and they get the BPA at this pick

4. Islanders:
• Trouba:
-
Islanders select the 2nd best Defensemen of the draft who exempts not only a very strong Defensive and physical game but also a very strong Offensive one as well.

5. Toronto:
• Slavin
-
The Leafs desperately need a big physical shutdown Defensemen and that’s exactly what Slavic is and he’s one of the best.

6. Anahiem:
• Gostisbehere
- Anaheim picks BPA in the highest scoring D-man of the Draft.

7. Minnesota:
• Dumba
- Pick stays the same.

8. Pittsburgh:
• Rielly
- Pens get the BPA in the high scoring D-man Rielly.

9. Winnipeg:
• Vasilevsky
- Jets now not having Hellebuyck, they pick the best Goalie available to replace him.

10. Tampa
• Murray
- Tampa picks Murray for the same reason^

—————

11. Washington:
• Parayko

12. Buffalo:
• Andersen

13. Dallas:
• Galchenyuk

14. Buffalo:
• Matheson

15. Ottawa:
• Skjei

It's hilarious that you call a Leaf fan for their bias, then go ahead and put Hellebuyck #1. Team need or not, Rielly is a much better candidate at one than Hellebuyck lol....

My top five:

Lindholm
Forsberg
Rielly
Slavin
Trouba

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

It's hilarious that you call a Leaf fan for their bias, then go ahead and put Hellebuyck #1. Team need or not, Rielly is a much better candidate at one than Hellebuyck lol....

My top five:

Lindholm
Forsberg
Rielly
Slavin
Trouba

Firstly, Hellebuyck was 2nd in Vezina votes last season, where did Rielly land in the Norris voting?

Secondly, neither are the best of the draft(I agree it’s a toss up between Lindholm and Foresberg and then everybody else) but do you really think Edmonton needs another LHD(with Klefbom and Nurse, Lindholm would be a fair pick, but Rielly would just make the Oilers worse than they already are with his lack of overall Defensive game) or RW(they have Puljujarvi and Yamamoto in the waits) over a goalie?

Now to be fair, if I where ranking the players off of skill and value I probably wouldn’t have Hellebuyck before #10 but again the Oilers really need a goalie rather than a Defensmen who can score 50 points while basically playing blindfolded in the D-Zone.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

It's so sad to see what has happened to Nail Yakupov ... On the bright-side, this draft has produced a lot of #1D!

Here is my list:

1) Morgan Rielly --->> A 2WD that has shown his value in the NHL. He is a capable #1D, any one who thinks differently does not watch him play and merely reads plus-minus. He lead the Maple Leafs, a team with a lack of quality defense-men to 6th place in the entire NHL! His 2-way play accentuated in the playoffs. He is not just an offensive piece, he is a defensive specialist as well. He is paired with Rookies or Ron Hainsey (who is past his prime) and faces one of THE TOUGHEST MATCH-UPS and USAGE in the entire NHL, and, has made it look easy. Keep in mind that the Leafs have only Rielly to turn to on Defense. No one else comes close to his play on the Leafs' roster.

2) Filip Forsberg. -->>> Rielly and Forsberg are interchangeable. They are very close in value, but, a gun pointed to my head -- if I were asked to build a team and given the choice between Rielly and Forsberg, I would chose #1D Rielly over the #1w Forsberg-- simply due to his 2-way play. Forsberg has led the Preds' offense for many years now, and, has developed into one of the premier wingers in the NHL. Forsberg definantly has the potential for 90+ points, I believe he is due for 90+ points, as early as next season.

3) Shane Ghostistbehere -->> He is a true offensive specialist. He is only 25 years old still and isn't even close to hitting his prime. He definantly has the potential to reach Erik Karlsson status, the only question is ... how bad does he want it? He has the neccessary IQ and Skill-level to reach that level.

4) Matt Dumba -->> Dumba is one of the best up and coming D-MAN in the game, he is shadowed by the Wilds' quantity of terrific defense-men! His value is close to Rielly's, but, a little less, only because Rielly was the sole quality defender on the Leafs and lead the Leafs to top 6 in the NHL. Also, I believe, Rielly has better 2-way play than Dumba. But, Dumba could easily overtake Rielly in the future. Matt Dumba is a #1D at the moment, and, one of the games best at that!

5) Andrei Valisevski -->> One of the best goalies in the NHL currently. You COULD make a case for him being the best. Key-word, COULD. This rank placement is very miscellaneous, because it's a goalie. The value of Goalies in the NHL is a complete mystery. Goalies are un-predictable, one season they are good, the next, they are bad. Hopefully Valisevski can keep up his consistency!

Where exactly do you have Lindholm in this redraft?... Him and Filip are the 2 best players in draft by a fair margin at this point in time.

 

[Kelly]

Firstly, Hellebuyck was 2nd in Vezina votes last season, where did Rielly land in the Norris voting?

Secondly, neither are the best of the draft(I agree it’s a toss up between Lindholm and Foresberg and then everybody else) but do you really think Edmonton needs another LHD(with Klefbom and Nurse, Lindholm would be a fair pick, but Rielly would just make the Oilers worse than they already are with his lack of overall Defensive game) or RW(they have Puljujarvi and Yamamoto in the waits) over a goalie?

Now to be fair, if I where ranking the players off of skill and value I probably wouldn’t have Hellebuyck before #10 but again the Oilers really need a goalie rather than a Defensmen who can score 50 points while basically playing blindfolded in the D-Zone.

Andersen was 4th, and has been way more consistent than Hellebuck, yet he's in the HM's. Hellebuyck has had ONE good year, zero chance Oilers would take him over the likes of Forsberg, Lindholm and some of the other defenseman when they already have Talbot. I'm sorry, but majority of your posts seems like you only see things through the Jets goggles.

Even if the Oilers were dead set on a goalie (I don't see why they would, when they could add a #1 in Lindholm, or some depth scoring which they need) in what world are they taking Hellebuyck over Vasi?

As for the bolded, just lol. Not really worth my time discussing this with you when it's apparent outside of Jets games you don't watch a lot of hockey.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

Andersen was 4th, and he's not even on your list. Hellebuyck has had ONE good year, zero chance Oilers would take him over the likes of Forsberg, Lindholm and some of the other defenseman when they already have Talbot. I'm sorry, but majority of your posts seems like you only see things through the Jets goggles.

As for the bolded, just lol. Not really worth my time discussing this with you when it's apparent outside of Jets games you don't watch a lot of hockey.

Incorrect I had him 12th going to Buffalo and what do you mean he was 4th(do you mean he’s pretty much 4 years older than most of the other 2012 Drafted players?)

Talbot was the reason the Oilers missed the playoffs, I think they might take a shot at a Goalie if it gives them a better chance at the Playoffs.

 

[HOPE]

Griffin Reinhart goes 1st OA since 3 years later you can trade him for Barzal + 2nd

how about the 2009 draft, is tavares even in first round since he can't fetch any assets?

 

[Kelly]

Incorrect I had him 12th going to Buffalo and what do you mean he was 4th(do you mean he’s pretty much 4 years older than most of the other 2012 Drafted players?)

Talbot was the reason the Oilers missed the playoffs, I think they might take a shot at a Goalie if it gives them a better chance at the Playoffs.

Sorry, I kinda skimmed through your post after I seen you had Hellebuyck first, missed that. Andersen finished 4th in Vezina voting.

Oilers collectively were a mess last year, to put all that on Talbot is just wrong. He was great for them the year prior, if they can add a Lindholm or a Forsberg, that makes them a much better team than upgrading from Talbot to Hellebuyck.

 

[BAM]

Incorrect I had him 12th going to Buffalo and what do you mean he was 4th(do you mean he’s pretty much 4 years older than most of the other 2012 Drafted players?)

Talbot was the reason the Oilers missed the playoffs, I think they might take a shot at a Goalie if it gives them a better chance at the Playoffs.

You could easily say he's the reason they made it the year prior. Both Talbot and Hellebuyck had a great year to lift their team into the playoffs. Talbot struggled last year and the Oilers missed, I could see a similar scenario happening for the Jets if Hellebuyck can't build off last year.

 

[AtNightWeFly]

Filip Forsberg would go first. Poor Yak would probably go in the 2nd round towards the end.

 

[Kcb12345]

Unpopular opinion: Slavin is overrated on here

 

[Hfbsux]

1. Edmonton - Filip Forsberg
2. Columbus - Hampus Lindholm
3. Montreal - Morgan Rielly
4. NY Islanders - Andrei Vasilevskiy
5. Toronto - Jacob Trouba
6. Anaheim - Colton Parayko
7. Minnesota - Shayne Gostisbehere
8. Pittsburgh - Jaccob Slavin
9. Winnipeg - Matt Murray
10. Tampa Bay - Connor Hellebuyck​

 

[theVladiator]

Tried to take team needs into account. Highlighted the players that somehow end up on the same team

1. EDM: Lindholm
2. CBJ: Forsberg
3. MTL: Rielly
4. NYI: Vasilevsky
5. TOR: Andersen
6. ANA: Slavin
7. MIN: Dumba
8. PIT: Murray
9. WPG: Ghost
10. TBL: Hellebuyck
11. WAS: Parayko
12. BUF: Tom Wilson
13: DAL: Hertl
14. BUF: Skjei
15. OTT: Galchenyuk
16. WAS: Teravainen
17: SJS: Matheson
18: CHI: Faksa
19: TBL: Pearson
20: PHI: Lindell
21: CGY: Jankowski
22: PIT: Maatta
23: FLA: Tierney
24: BOS: Athanaseou
25: STL: Connor Brown
26. VAN: Colin Miller
27. ARI: Severson
28. NYR: Josh Anderson
29. NJD: Devin Shore
30. LAK: Colton Sissons

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Winnipeg fan criticizes Toronto fan for putting Reilly first... Then puts Hellebuyck first.